4 minutes ago, dieter said:

What has this got to with the continuing racial abuse of Aborigines?

Dieter, the title of this thread is "MFC player racially abused on social media - club statement" 

 

Poor Kozzi. I’m glad Goody and the club are standing up against this BS

every racist post on social media needs to flagged and investigated

bloody cowards

2 minutes ago, deanox said:

Why don't we teach people not to be savage, offensive, [censored], rather than try to teach people to cop it sweet and move on?

You can't do that without causing a mass genocide. Look how Germany went removing Jews. That is not the way to go.

You will never get 7 billion people to think the same until 7 billion people have a common intergalactic enemy. 

Human nature is to be the best at all costs. You and I may not have the "at all cost" attitude but someone in the world's 7 billion population does and when we are all tra-la-la prancing in the daisy fields, this 1 in 7 billion will promise a group of people power and wealth and smear us into the earth. 

Handling the internet may be criteria for player recruitment in the not so distant future.

 

 

4 hours ago, Youngwilliam said:

Just throwing this in, you are never going to get rid of racism as long as society keeps segregating people.

We have Indigenous awards, why? Are they not equal to every other players? Are aboriginal people unable to compete with everyone else? 

People want to blend in but also keep their identity without bringing misery to others. You show how this works and you have solved racism.

What is the segregation you are referring too and what indigenous awards are you referring too?

3 minutes ago, BoBo said:

What is the segregation you are referring too and what indigenous awards are you referring too?

And Daisycutter made a good argument, I acknowledged this.

 

10 minutes ago, Youngwilliam said:

And Daisycutter made a good argument, I acknowledged this.

 

Oh my apologies, I didn’t see that part. 

7 hours ago, Stiff Arm said:

I studied Australian history right through to year 12 in the 1990's and there was almost no mention of Aboriginal history except as a side note to European colonialism.

I sure as hell hope it has changed.

Well, Stiff Arm won’t see this since I believe he has me on ignore but if anyone else is interested… my 16yo son is in Year 10, and while it appears that the Australian History curriculum  now incorporates a level of Indigenous Culture study, it’s still not as comprehensive as it could/should be.
Interestingly enough, currently in his Sociology studies they are covering racism, and in particular racism and the AFL. 
Just a couple of days ago he told me his class watched an awesome documentary (online schooling) and he said to me, “have you heard of a guy named Adam Goodes?” (Bless his lil heart😊) The doco he’d just watched was The Final Quarter and it was followed up with in-depth discussion, teacher and students. I was delighted to hear that. It’s no doubt a step in the right direction. 

40 minutes ago, Youngwilliam said:

You can't do that without causing a mass genocide. Look how Germany went removing Jews. That is not the way to go.

You will never get 7 billion people to think the same until 7 billion people have a common intergalactic enemy. 

Human nature is to be the best at all costs. You and I may not have the "at all cost" attitude but someone in the world's 7 billion population does and when we are all tra-la-la prancing in the daisy fields, this 1 in 7 billion will promise a group of people power and wealth and smear us into the earth. 

Handling the internet may be criteria for player recruitment in the not so distant future.

 

 

Please stop.

Preying Kozzy doesn't read Demonland. 

 

26 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Well, Stiff Arm won’t see this since I believe he has me on ignore but if anyone else is interested… my 16yo son is in Year 10, and while it appears that the Australian History curriculum  now incorporates a level of Indigenous Culture study, it’s still not as comprehensive as it could/should be.
Interestingly enough, currently in his Sociology studies they are covering racism, and in particular racism and the AFL. 
Just a couple of days ago he told me his class watched an awesome documentary (online schooling) and he said to me, “have you heard of a guy named Adam Goodes?” (Bless his lil heart😊) The doco he’d just watched was The Final Quarter and it was followed up with in-depth discussion, teacher and students. I was delighted to hear that. It’s no doubt a step in the right direction. 

That's great to hear @WalkingCivilWar

Definitely improving from my years in school forty years ago.

2 hours ago, Youngwilliam said:

Where is the racism in my comment? 

We all support MFC, that's what brings us together but as you start to delve into the character of each supporter you are going to find differences. Differences you will not agree with. 

What was said about Kossi by this person is wrong but you get stuck in a vicious circle with internet trolls. They want recognition for their work. You should ignore them, don't give them recognition, but you have to talk about it because "call out racism".

I think a few of you are missing the point I am making here.

Humans are competitive, they bring down anyone they fear or have a jealousy towards. They do their best to bring them down. 

In 2021, South Africa is not the Utopia you are looking for.

 

The greater problem than the faceless social media racist trolls, is the people that don’t understand how and why they are being racist.

the people that don’t take the time to educate themselves and empathise with the unnecessary pain and trauma of racism.

Not naming any names. 
 

I’ve pulled away from this thread for a while. 

However, talk of ‘tolerance of intolerance’, examples of blatant trolling, framing of ‘people being too sensitive’ and certain barely dog whistled statements have led me to post this video before just observing for a day or two. It’s emotionally exhausting (but essential work).

So rather than type out something extensive, I’ll open the floor to Ms. Natalie Wynn (aka Contrapoints) to respond to certain assertions made in this thread.

If you are an anti-racist/fascist, I plead for you to watch this for intelligence and strategy purposes at the very least.

And if this triggers you because she is a trans woman and a socialist, then good.

I hope you have a conniption.

P.S. I could be considered a good example of Godwin’s Law by posting this. I understand that. However, my intentions, if you listen to the bit about Alt-Right strategy, is to highlight why the free speech absolutist argument is twaddle against organized and freestyle bigots.

And if you consider yourself opposed to my position, don’t just read the video title and hysterically scream I’ve called you a fascist. Watch the entire video, and then if you feel that her description hits a bit too close to home, then maybe you should think about the [censored] that’s coming out of your [censored]ing keyboard

Edited August 12, 20213 yr by Colin B. Flaubert
Added the P.S.

1 hour ago, dieter said:

Aborigines

That term is anachronistic at best.

More broadly - and i say this knowing that many people don’t punctuate properly online - the word ‘Indigenous’ should always be spelled with a capital I when referring to people.

It’s great to see @Colin B. Flaubert, @deanoxand others articulating the case so clearly, and not giving up on the discussion - this is what Eddie Betts is imploring all of us to do as allies.

Repeating empty platitudes and saying the right thing isn’t enough; it takes persistence and patience and hard work to change hearts and minds. 

39 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

That term is anachronistic at best.

More broadly - and i say this knowing that many people don’t punctuate properly online - the word ‘Indigenous’ should always be spelled with a capital I when referring to people.

It’s great to see @Colin B. Flaubert, @deanoxand others articulating the case so clearly, and not giving up on the discussion - this is what Eddie Betts is imploring all of us to do as allies.

Repeating empty platitudes and saying the right thing isn’t enough; it takes persistence and patience and hard work to change hearts and minds. 

So you're pointing the finger at me for using 'anachronistic' terminology and punctuation????And, presumably, for 'repeating empty platitudes'? ??? Wow! I would have though you might be sending this message to some of the people who argue strenuously against C.B and Dox, but no, you chose to focus on for  me for the 'letter' of your law - after all, you are The Moderator - instead of the spirit of my posts. I'm not surprised because you and I  have form in this regard. Great to see you're still in form, Grapeviney.

Edited August 12, 20213 yr by dieter

13 minutes ago, dieter said:

So you're pointing the finger at me for using 'anachronistic' terminology and punctuation????And, presumably, for 'repeating empty platitudes'? ??? Wow! I would have though you might be sending this message to some of the people who argue strenuously against C.B and Dox, but no, Grapeviney choses me and I'm not surprised because he have form in this regard. 

I don’t think @Grapeviney was saying that you were doing that, Dieter. I took his statement as highlighting the long struggle and endurance required, not as a crack at you.

As for the first part, he is correct, and I don’t think he was scalding you particularly harshly either.

Until I began associating with BLM and other anti-racist groups, I spelled ‘Black’ with an undercase lettering. It didn’t  make me a moral reprobate. Once I noticed I was, I simply stopped. No biggie. ☺️ We all aren’t necessarily au fait with all conventions at all times.

Edited August 12, 20213 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

45 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I’ve pulled away from this thread for a while. 

However, talk of ‘tolerance of intolerance’, examples of blatant trolling, framing of ‘people being too sensitive’ and certain barely dog whistled statements have led me to post this video before just observing for a day or two. It’s emotionally exhausting (but essential work).

So rather than type out something extensive, I’ll open the floor to Ms. Natalie Wynn (aka Contrapoints) to respond to certain assertions made in this thread.

If you are an anti-racist/fascist, I plead for you to watch this for intelligence and strategy purposes at the very least.

And if this triggers you because she is a trans woman and a socialist, then good.

I hope you have a conniption.

P.S. I could be a good example of Godwin’s Law by posting this. My intentions, if you listen to the bit about Alt-Right strategy, is to highlight why the free speech absolutist argument is twaddle against organized and freestyle bigots. .

And if you consider yourself opposed to my position, don’t just read the video title and hysterically scream I’ve called you a fascist. Watch the entire video, and then if you feel that her description hits a bit too close to home, then maybe you should think about the [censored] that’s coming out of your [censored]ing keyboard

Fabulous stuff.

1 minute ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I don’t think @Grapeviney was saying that you were doing that, Dieter. I took his statement as highlighting the long struggle and endurance required, not as a crack at you.

As for the first part, he is correct, and I don’t think he was scalding you either.

Until I began associating with BLM and other anti-racist groups, I spelled ‘Black’ with an undercase lettering. It didn’t  make me a moral reprobate. Once I noticed I was, I simply stopped. No biggie. ☺️ We all aren’t necessarily au fait with all conventions at all times.

He and I have history. Maybe I'm paranoid!

1 hour ago, 1964_2 said:

The greater problem than the faceless social media racist trolls, is the people that don’t understand how and why they are being racist.

the people that don’t take the time to educate themselves and empathise with the unnecessary pain and trauma of racism.

Not naming any names. 
 

You are delusional. Point to where I was racist.

49 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I’ve pulled away from this thread for a while. 

However, talk of ‘tolerance of intolerance’, examples of blatant trolling, framing of ‘people being too sensitive’ and certain barely dog whistled statements have led me to post this video before just observing for a day or two. It’s emotionally exhausting (but essential work).

So rather than type out something extensive, I’ll open the floor to Ms. Natalie Wynn (aka Contrapoints) to respond to certain assertions made in this thread.

If you are an anti-racist/fascist, I plead for you to watch this for intelligence and strategy purposes at the very least.

And if this triggers you because she is a trans woman and a socialist, then good.

I hope you have a conniption.

P.S. I could be a good example of Godwin’s Law by posting this. I understand that. However, my intentions, if you listen to the bit about Alt-Right strategy, is to highlight why the free speech absolutist argument is twaddle against organized and freestyle bigots.

And if you consider yourself opposed to my position, don’t just read the video title and hysterically scream I’ve called you a fascist. Watch the entire video, and then if you feel that her description hits a bit too close to home, then maybe you should think about the [censored] that’s coming out of your [censored]ing keyboard

Wow 🤩 i never thought i would see a video such as that on Demonland!!

Very well put together btw. 
 

Trump put Racism back on the map for at least 50 years. (Charlottesville)

It was a very scary time, which is still rolling…

Reading some of the absurd historical revisionism by some of the posters here is probably enough to push moderate readers into becoming conservatives.

Especially those trying to impose 2020 morals & standards on previous generations and historical events.

I always thought that part of Trump's appeal was a reaction to the more bats$h!t crazy views of the extreme left. Plenty are alive & well on Demonland.

59 minutes ago, Youngwilliam said:

You are delusional. Point to where I was racist.

Ok, I am delusional.

the fact that you can’t see any issues, is the core of the current problem. 
 

14 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

Ok, I am delusional.

the fact that you can’t see any issues, is the core of the current problem. 
 

So you got nothing racist... typical. Another so ready to call someone a racist and you ask them to show where and they give the typical " if you can't see it I'm not going to waist my time in showing you". 🙄

9 minutes ago, Youngwilliam said:

So you got nothing racist... typical. Another so ready to call someone a racist and you ask them to show where and they give the typical " if you can't see it I'm not going to waist my time in showing you". 🙄

Your posts are there for everyone to see (including yourself).

If you can't see any issues, I fear I am not equipped to rehabilitate you. 

That is all. 

Take Care. 

 

4 hours ago, Youngwilliam said:

The point I am making in this thread is you are handling the internet trolls incorrectly. You can't stop the trolls making comments because they always find a way. You need to educate the players, give them the foundation to handle the talk. No it's not easy or a perfect solution and it's not the result alot of you will agree with. Don't talk about what the trolls say and they will get bored and move on.

 

Hahahahaha

The irony here is completely overwhelming.

 

 

23 hours ago, deanox said:

Nah, we won't agree to disagree, I'm going to keep holding you to account.

I (and others) are telling you that people can discuss ANY topic without offending if a) you are respectful and b) you are not trying to impose your moral/ethics on someone else.

You say that offending each other in  discussion is unavoidable, but can't explain a reason why or a situation that doesn't fall into a) or b) above.

I've been quite specific, the obfuscation is at your end. Either provide an example where offence is unavoidable (should be easy according to you) or accept that you're wrong.

You may not realise or accept it, but your current line of argument is actually part of the problem that we are all trying to fix.

Authoritarian statement above.

'we are all trying to fix', who is 'we', and what are you 'trying to fix'? Are you another champion of 'anti racism'?

The vast majority of people are anti racism, and are anti racist's who oppose racism without virtue signalling the fact. 

There is still racism is our society, and I imagine in almost all societies of the world. We should strive for equality together.

So many sanctimonious posts on Demonland lately like 'we need to be more then anti racist'. Racism is a human frailty that hysterical keyboard behaviour, or actions isn't going to solve. 

14 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Hahahahaha

The irony here is completely overwhelming.

 

 

Was thinking exactly the same thing.

Trolling gold. All the classic tropes.

Even the Nazis get a run. 

It is actually quite heart-warming to see posters try and help others learn how to handle trolls properly by providing so many opportunities to practice doing so.

Meta.

 

Edited August 12, 20213 yr by binman