Jack Viney Suspended for 2 Weeks

[Jaded No More 60,095]

Just now, Lord Nev said:

Ummmmm....

Are you trying to play dumb? 
Why do we put a neck brace when someone has a suspected head injury? 
Do you need an anatomy rundown? An injury to the neck can cause severe damage to both the body and the head. In fact they can be more dangerous than head injuries. 

[DaveyJones'sLocker 637]

What a [censored] joke this is…

not a great look, yes he shouldn't have done it . But in my memory it’s never been a suspension for this type of incident ? 

You know they will go and invent a rule/ suspension against one of our players.How  many times is this gonna happen when we are on the receiving end of BS tribunal decisions.

 

 

[1964_2 2,357]

1 week for every second he un-necessarily has his forearm on the throat.

5 week holiday. 

[picket fence 15,783]

1 minute ago, Jaded said:

Are you trying to play dumb? 
Why do we put a neck brace when someone has a suspected head injury? 
Do you need an anatomy rundown? An injury to the neck can cause severe damage to both the body and the head. In fact they can be more dangerous than head injuries. 

Unfortunately you are correct

[DaveyJones'sLocker 637]

14 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Putting pressure on someone’s neck is dangerous. Full stop. 
You try having a 90 kilo footballer put their elbow on your throat and see how you like it. 
Just because no damage was done this time doesn’t mean we should just let it go. It’s absolutely a bad look for a game that is trying so hard to protect the head of players. 
Tell me this, if a Gold Coast player did that to Gus who has a history of head injuries would you be mad about it?

David Neitz did this on multiple occasions , I know different era bits it’s happened this year too with no case to answer. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, Jaded said:

Are you trying to play dumb? 
Why do we put a neck brace when someone has a suspected head injury? 
Do you need an anatomy rundown? An injury to the neck can cause severe damage to both the body and the head. In fact they can be more dangerous than head injuries. 

No, you're trying to move the goal posts now.

First you said he was 'crushing his windpipe', then you said 'what if it was Gus with his head injuries'... Fair bit of distance between the throat and temple, so perhaps it's not me who needs an anatomy lesson.

You're just pushing outrage rather than the facts.

 

[Demons11 6,407]

3 minutes ago, Jaded said:

The head and neck are one of the same. If injured both can have severe consequences. Hence why we pay frees for above the shoulders and not just for being hit directly in the head. 
 

Are you comparing laying a tackle to deliberately hurting an opponent off the ball??? How are these two things related?? 

I’m pointing out the fact that you mentioned that we were 98 pts up so why would he be aggressive. They are playing a game of footy and being aggressive is part of it regardless of how the game is going. 
 

You people are completing over blowing it.  There was no injury and Collins instigated the incident by pulling Viney down after being tackled.  

[Lucifers Hero 37,524]

10 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

 

there is no injury, no case! That’s the way the AFL has been going for years.  
If he was pushing that hard on his neck do you not think Collins would be holding his neck after the incident.  The bloke just jogged off.

Unfortunately, they will invoke the 'potential to cause injury'' rule that they pull out whenever they want a certain outcome.  Difficult to argue against as it is impossible to prove what didn't and may never happen.  They don't use logic ie they don't use 'probability'.   

 

[Demons11 6,407]

Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

Unfortunately, they will invoke the 'potential to cause injury'' rule that they pull out whenever they want a certain outcome.  Difficult to argue against as it is impossible to prove what didn't and may never happen.  They don't use logic ie they don't use 'probability'.   

 

That’s not true because all you have to do is look at the Buddy incident or any of the elbows thrown this year and the potential to cause injury is high but all were given fines. 
 

[WalkingCivilWar 35,022]

Just now, Lord Nev said:

No, you're trying to move the goal posts now.

First you said he was 'crushing his windpipe', then you said 'what if it was Gus with his head injuries'... Fair bit of distance between the throat and temple, so perhaps it's not me who needs an anatomy lesson.

You're just pushing outrage rather than the facts.

 

Wrong person, LN. That was me who referred to his windpipe. But I agree wholeheartedly with Jaded. A Viney brainfart of the highest order. 

[monoccular 16,654]

Stupid act but is it worse that an elbow to the head?

Historically MFC have been the groundbreakers in tribunal suspensions.  Trengove v Dangerfield sling tackle, Grinter v Wallace, even Jakovic the only player ever suspended for wrestling, so I suspect he will get 3 weeks. 

[Lucifers Hero 37,524]

Not sure why Viney was in such a huff.  Yes he should have received a free because Collins 'took his legs out'.  Frees are missed a dozen times a game.  Over reaction by our VC.

As I understand the 'straight to Tribunal rules' he gets weeks or it is thrown out.  Fines don't come into it do they?

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Just now, WalkingCivilWar said:

Wrong person, LN. That was me who referred to his windpipe. But I agree wholeheartedly with Jaded. A Viney brainfart of the highest order. 

Apologies, let me clarify then.

Jaded first said:
" Putting pressure on someone’s neck is dangerous."

Then said:
"if a Gold Coast player did that to Gus who has a history of head injuries"

It can't be both of these things.

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

Not sure how they can come up with a grading of serious misconduct without the hint of an injury? It's not a great look at all, but it seems like another decision the MRO is scared to actually make a judgement so they've passed the buck

[leave it to deever 16,581]

39 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

mro lotto

Sums it up.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Not sure why Viney was in such a huff.  Yes he should have received a free because Collins 'took his legs out'.  Frees are missed a dozen times a game.  Over reaction by our VC.

As I understand the 'straight to Tribunal rules' he gets weeks or it is thrown out.  Fines don't come into it do they?

Because Collins pulled him down.

You can just see the beginning of it in this frame...

[BDA 20,895]

Never heard of anyone getting rubbed out for an incident like this and never heard of anyone being injured as a result of an incident like this. I’ll wait and see what kind of judgment the MRP passes down but I’m struggling to see why this should be anything other than a fine.

[Lucifers Hero 37,524]

1 minute ago, Demons11 said:

That’s not true because all you have to do is look at the Buddy incident or any of the elbows thrown this year and the potential to cause injury is high but all were given fines. 
 

That is what I mean - they invoke it when it suits them.  

The difference is those others were classified as 'careless' (well disguised by Buddy, Selwood etc) as they were in play, sort of and luck was going there way on the day.

See my prior post - I think it is too late for a fine.  It is thrown out or he gets week(s).

[dazzledavey36 49,794]

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Not sure why Viney was in such a huff.  Yes he should have received a free because Collins 'took his legs out'.  Frees are missed a dozen times a game.  Over reaction by our VC.

As I understand the 'straight to Tribunal rules' he gets weeks or it is thrown out.  Fines don't come into it do they?

Hopefully he does get weeks.

Gives us a reason not to play him. Purely on form the past few weeks he's been ****house.

Get Jordon back in, or if they want to go for the bigger experience body then Vandenberg. 

[WalkingCivilWar 35,022]

4 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Collins instigated the incident by pulling Viney down after being tackled.  

That’s like the guy who says, “No, Officer, that’s NOT how it happened. He hit my fist with his face!” 

[Sir Why You Little 35,321]

If it was Joel Selwood….

But it isn’t. Jack aint the sharpest tool in the shed. 
Off the ball in the 4th Quarter, for at least 5 seconds 

Completely unnecessary 

[Jaded No More 60,095]

8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

No, you're trying to move the goal posts now.

First you said he was 'crushing his windpipe', then you said 'what if it was Gus with his head injuries'... Fair bit of distance between the throat and temple, so perhaps it's not me who needs an anatomy lesson.

You're just pushing outrage rather than the facts.

 

I never said anything about crushing the windpipe. Read my posts again. 
Head and neck is one of the same when it comes to severe injuries and concussions. In fact a few players with ongoing concussion issues have had neck injuries or neck issues. 
We pay frees for above the shoulder not for in the head. End of story. 
 

[WalkingCivilWar 35,022]

6 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Apologies, let me clarify then.

Jaded first said:
" Putting pressure on someone’s neck is dangerous."

Then said:
"if a Gold Coast player did that to Gus who has a history of head injuries"

It can't be both of these things.

But does it really make that much of a difference? Head or neck: both no-go zones. 

[Demons11 6,407]

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Hopefully he does get weeks.

Gives us a reason not to play him. Purely on form the past few weeks he's been ****house.

Get Jordon back in, or if they want to go for the bigger experience body then Vandenberg. 

Gives you a cheap reason to have a go at Viney.  You are kidding yourself if you’d have those other blokes In front of Viney 

[titan_uranus 23,225]

It's not a good look. Doesn't matter who started it, the video shows Viney putting pressure with his elbow on the head/neck region. It's a really, really bad look.

However, if Buddy can swing an elbow into Luke Ryan's head and get a fine, then this should be nothing more than a fine because this is no worse.

If the Tribunal is going to start looking at precedent, look no further than the Tribunal telling the AFL world last week that throwing your elbow around is fine and not going to result in suspension if the other player isn't injured.

Collins was fine, Ryan was fine. If Buddy didn't get a week, there is no [censored] way Viney deserves one.