Clarko leaves Hawks

[Adam The God 29,338]

Such a loyal bloke. We don’t know him. He'll see out his contract. The little bloke is all bluster.

[Redleg 40,094]

27 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Wilson made the “Tanking” saga bigger than what it was

No doubt about that.

Demetriou wanted it buried.

She kept digging and shovelling.

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

*secretly hopes Goodwin loses the plot over the next 6 weeks*

 

Jokes...

Yeah, Jokes. 

[Lucifers Hero 38,976]

The Age:  "Captain Ben McEvoy was one player who told senior staff that the situation was impacting on the playing group".

Clarkson plucked McEvoy from a career potentially slogging away at the saints.  He has two 2 premiership medals on the back of Clarkson and a handy group of champion players.  Clarkson made him captain.

I wonder how he and the other senior players spend their '30 pieces of silver'!    

Edited July 30, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[The heart beats true 17,774]

Jeff Kennett continues to reveal he’s got a personality that matches his face.

[DemonOX 8,697]

Would love him to coach us.

It seems like the Norm Smith curse all over again.

We can no pass the baton onto the Hawks.

Thanks Hawks

 

Edited July 30, 2021 by DemonOX

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

5 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The Age:  "Captain Ben McEvoy was one player who told senior staff that the situation was impacting on the playing group".

Clarkson plucked McEvoy from a career potentially slogging away at the saints.  He has two 2 premiership medals on the back of Clarkson and a handy group of champion players. 

I wonder how he and the other senior players spend their '30 pieces of silver'!    

Couldn't it be the other way around? That is, that McEvoy was supporting Clarkson? Mind you, as Captain, his job would be to tell the club exactly the impact - positive or negative - of any situation.

[Ted Lasso 18,776]

Wowee. this all comes back on one bloke with an Ego comparable to Donald Trump and it's going to take the Hawks a long time to recover. they'll lose players this off season for sure. 

and they had better options to coach than Sam Mitchell in my opinion, they've totally blown this.

[Guest]

Some wag has been playing around with Wikipedia methinks… ?

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

1 minute ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Some wag has been playing around with Wikipedia methinks… ?

Probs Eddie McGuire 

[Lucifers Hero 38,976]

11 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Couldn't it be the other way around? That is, that McEvoy was supporting Clarkson? Mind you, as Captain, his job would be to tell the club exactly the impact - positive or negative - of any situation.

If it was the other way ie supporting Clarkson he botched it.  

If he was asked by management for the positives and negatives, he misjudged the agendas very badly and or didn't do a very good job of selling the positives.   

Without yet knowing the ins and outs, it seems that Reeves and Vandenberg were ready and waiting for a reason to bring down the guillotine.  McEvoy didn't read the tea leaves.

Edited July 30, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[BDA 22,271]

I think Hawthorn are crazy to be getting rid of a 4 time premiership coach. Madness to give him the elbow for a rookie. If he has a good list at his next club he will deliver a flag.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

1 hour ago, John Demonic said:

I found his SEN interview with Whately hilariously raw and unprofessional. Not the kind of answers you give as the head of an organisation. It was soap opera play ground sounding stuff. Very Insincere in hindsight.

Easy to forget this guy is only 38. insanely young age to be a coach of a professional sporting organisation. Its going to come back to bite them hard.

I wondered about this. It's not as young as it might first seem. Clarkson was 37 when he started; Hardwick was 38. Going back a bit further, Sheedy was 34, Matthews 34 and Barassi (as playing coach) was 29. 

Edit: Clarkson is now only 53. Clearly young enough to take on another senior coaching job if he wants.

Edited July 30, 2021 by La Dee-vina Comedia

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1 minute ago, BDA said:

I think Hawthorn are crazy to be getting rid of a 4 time premiership coach. Madness to give him the elbow for a rookie. If he has a good list at his next club he will deliver a flag.

[Lucifers Hero 38,976]

What I find really distasteful is this is just one week after Clarkson made what looked like a sincere and impassioned declaration of his loyalty.  

There may have been an element of:  I've got my principles so I'm not going to walk the plank.  If you want me gone you have to push me.  If so good on him for not letting them hide behind some smokescreen.

Whoever initiated this weeks player meeting with Reeves and Vandenberg could have waited a few weeks to the end of the season and given Clarkson some sort of dignified exit.   The Board could have said to the players:  we hear you but lets see how it goes for the next month.

Couldn't wait to EOS.  Instead they have hurriedly pulled down the architect of their success for no apparent good reason.  Thrown his loyalty back in his face.

Shameful by all concerned.

Edited July 30, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

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39 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Simply can not agree that Yze would be 'tainted' if Goodwin under performed as senior coach. If that logic rang true then we'd run out of AFL coaches pretty quickly.

 

Assistant coaches who make the step up are typically working with successful clubs when they are selected. Can't recall too many clubs taking assistants from Gold Coast or Carlton as their new head coach recently. Don;t think we've lost any assistants recently either. A few years ago Collingwood assistants were all the rage because of Malthouse. Assistant's who have worked with Clarkson ditto (including Yze). 

I'll bet if we are unsuccessful next year Yze's stock price will fall along with Goody's (I hope that doesn't happen of course)

[picket fence 16,655]

1 hour ago, Wizard of Koz said:

Norm Smith curse now over. Hawthorn have taken the torch off us by burning and sacking the best coach of an era

No, the curse is not and never will be over till we win a Premiership!

[picket fence 16,655]

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Only thing is, we'd lose Yze and quite possibly Choco (if we haven't already by then) if Clarko came over.

IMO, if for some reason we change coaches in the next year or two it will be to put Yze in charge.

 

As much as I think Yze and Choco are doing a great job, so be it if it occurs! Who would NOT have Clarko?? I'll tell you what embarrasing loses to bottom sides wouldnt happen on his watch!

[Lord Nev 13,512]

6 minutes ago, BDA said:

Assistant coaches who make the step up are typically working with successful clubs when they are selected. Can't recall too many clubs taking assistants from Gold Coast or Carlton as their new head coach recently. Don;t think we've lost any assistants recently either. A few years ago Collingwood assistants were all the rage because of Malthouse. Assistant's who have worked with Clarkson ditto (including Yze). 

I'll bet if we are unsuccessful next year Yze's stock price will fall along with Goody's (I hope that doesn't happen of course)

Hang on, Teague took over at Carlton right? He literally went from assistant to head coach at a poorly performing club.

 

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15 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

What I find really distasteful is this is just one week after Clarkson made what looked like a sincere and impassioned declaration of his loyalty.  

There may have been an element of:  I've got my principles so I'm not going to walk the plank.  If you want me gone you have to push me.  If so good on him for not letting them hide behind some smokescreen.

Whoever initiated this weeks player meeting with Reeves and Vandenberg could have waited a few weeks to the end of the season and given Clarkson some sort of dignified exit.   The Board could have said to the players:  we hear you but lets see how it goes for the next month.

Couldn't wait to EOS.  Instead they have hurriedly pulled down the architect of their success for no apparent good reason.  Thrown his loyalty back in his face.

Shameful by all concerned.

About as shameful as the Melb board that sacked Norm. 
Hawks won't have 57 years to wait and It is imperitive that we win a flag before Hawkswin their next now. 

[old55 22,779]

1 hour ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I definitely do as well.
I think too many people got too triggered by her during the tankquiry (even though she was pretty much on the money as to what was going to happen). 
She was right about Carlton's implosion in 2002. She was right about Hird and Essendon in 2013. She was right about us during the tanking saga. Eventually someone's track record should stack up, shouldn't it?

Often people can't handle the truth ...

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1 minute ago, picket fence said:

As much as I think Yze and Choco are doing a great job, so be it if it occurs! Who would NOT have Clarko?? I'll tell you what embarrasing loses to bottom sides wouldnt happen on his watch!

Hey can't be proven as this years Hawks performances have been all over the shop right up there with the most unreliable in the AFL.

Tomorrow night the Hawks could  be on the bottom with one wing holding onto the wooden spoon!!!

[DeeSince73 488]

I'm not gonna lie, A fair bit of me is enjoying this. Couldn't happen to a bigger pack of entitled toss bags. #remember1987.

[In Harmes Way 7,700]

I don’t discount Hawthorn having Fagan at the club during their glory years and the work I’m sure he did in the background keeping the train on the tracks and everyone happy and aligned. I also don’t discount the fact they turned to crap after Fagan left. And whilst they have an aging list, Clarko hasn’t done anything since Fagan left results wise that has me salivating at the prospect he’s available and can move us forward in a quest for a flag. All I see is bad results and reportedly bad relationships with those around him.

Feel free to load up.

[BDA 22,271]

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Hang on, Teague took over at Carlton right? He literally went from assistant to head coach at a poorly performing club.

 

And its not working out too well. Appointing the caretaker full-time is fraught with danger.