On 15/06/2021 at 09:12, TheoX said:

Thought ?crisp's sling tackle on oliver deserved some scrutiny too. 

Degoey shouldve copped a month.

Interesting that Worpel  for the Hawks got a week for what looked a fairly insipid so called sling tackle. Looking at yesterday’s match there were 2 or 3 sling tackles that could be deemed similar or worse!  Crickets from the MRP. 

  On 15/06/2021 at 05:07, A F said:

The Richmond midfield is no better by foot. I reckon you're looking in the wrong place. It was down to work rate and decision making yesterday.

We allowed them to transition the ball through the corridor far too easily, some our defenders were too high on such a small ground (see Salem) and we played hero footy, not team first (see Oliver, Petracca and Kozzy).

The first choice Richmond mids have our guys covered easily. Dusty alone does, but Cotchin, Prestia, Edwards might not be perfect but they can find targets. 

The intensity and work rate was a long way down but Goodwin mentioned skill execution for a reason, because when you keep giving up easy intercepts against an organised defence you start panicking in to bad choices rather than sticking to the plan.

We knew Collingwood are highly organised and drilled, the aim had to be to move them around more than just ram in to a wall.

We need to study the tape of how the Pies got so many uncontested marks and the errors made by our defensive press.

But then we really need to study the tempo footy of Geelong and West Coast and the way Richmond use short kicks from their backline before getting a favourable match up for more attacking run or longer kicks. We can't rely on the long bomb to Gawn every single time. 

I hope the FD and coaches study the tapes and make a review.   There must be some learnings   there  unlike the last game 2018.

nothing to learn , nothing to see,   we lost, we know why, move on.

I didn't enjoy watching the match at all.

Sadly, the refreshments during the match - Petaluma chardonnay + salmon quiche (avec salad) - helped only slightly. But I was so [censored] off that I didn't even bother with the tea cake.

Edited June 15, 20213 yr by bingers

  On 15/06/2021 at 11:25, DeeSpencer said:

The first choice Richmond mids have our guys covered easily. Dusty alone does, but Cotchin, Prestia, Edwards might not be perfect but they can find targets. 

The intensity and work rate was a long way down but Goodwin mentioned skill execution for a reason, because when you keep giving up easy intercepts against an organised defence you start panicking in to bad choices rather than sticking to the plan.

We knew Collingwood are highly organised and drilled, the aim had to be to move them around more than just ram in to a wall.

We need to study the tape of how the Pies got so many uncontested marks and the errors made by our defensive press.

But then we really need to study the tempo footy of Geelong and West Coast and the way Richmond use short kicks from their backline before getting a favourable match up for more attacking run or longer kicks. We can't rely on the long bomb to Gawn every single time. 

Dusty is no better than Petracca and only just has Brayshaw covered. The guy dribbles them off his boot semi frequently. A great player, with a penetrative kick, but very hit and miss.

As for Cotchin and Prestia, I think we're watching different games. They're okay over 30m, but that's about it. Cotchin was known for his dinky nothing kicks for years.

Edwards goes okay, but he's not elite.

  On 15/06/2021 at 12:17, 640MD said:

I hope the FD and coaches study the tapes and make a review.   There must be some learnings   there  unlike the last game 2018.

nothing to learn , nothing to see,   we lost, we know why, move on.

Yeah like what was widely reported didn't happen after the 2018 Preliminary Final debacle.Agree 

Edited June 15, 20213 yr by picket fence

  On 15/06/2021 at 12:36, bingers said:

I didn't enjoy watching the match at all.

Sadly, the refreshments during the match - Petaluma chardonnay + salmon quiche (avec salad) - helped only slightly. But I was so [censored] off that I didn't even bother with the tea cake.

Bingers didn’t get to enjoy his tea cake?! Curse you, filth!

ima add that to my disproportionately looooong list of reasons I hate Collingwood. ?

  On 15/06/2021 at 07:45, dees189227 said:

DeGoey got a week for that hit in Oliver. 

Ah, that's right, he was going for the ball....

  On 15/06/2021 at 05:20, Better days ahead said:

We scored the first 3 goals of the 3rd quarter to take the lead. I thought we would close it out from there. Even going into the last i thought we would win given our superior fitness. Alas, not to be.

This was the most disappointing thing for me. We were putrid all day, but Collingwood's inaccuracy in front of goal kept us in the game. 

When we took the lead in third quarter (twice), all we needed was ten minutes of committed, team first football to break the game open. Instead, McDonald misses a sitter, our defensive pressure vanished again and we reverted to the selfish, half hearted football of the first half.

Even in the last ten minutes of the game we had chances to put Collingwood under real pressure. Pickett's effort in the dying minutes where he burned Fritsch and dribbled the ball into the square was as bad as I've ever seen. He has generally been very good this year, but no doubt he has listening into hype about his Brisbane performance.

  On 16/06/2021 at 06:14, poita said:

This was the most disappointing thing for me. We were putrid all day, but Collingwood's inaccuracy in front of goal kept us in the game. 

When we took the lead in third quarter (twice), all we needed was ten minutes of committed, team first football to break the game open. Instead, McDonald misses a sitter, our defensive pressure vanished again and we reverted to the selfish, half hearted football of the first half.

Even in the last ten minutes of the game we had chances to put Collingwood under real pressure. Pickett's effort in the dying minutes where he burned Fritsch and dribbled the ball into the square was as bad as I've ever seen. He has generally been very good this year, but no doubt he has listening into hype about his Brisbane performance.

They’ve responded to challenges and adversity very well all year so I expected a response on Monday. It wasn’t to be but the team have plenty of credits in the bank. I’m going to put it down to tiredness and move on. I expect a refreshed Dees to resume normal service against the Bombers after the bye.

  On 16/06/2021 at 06:14, poita said:

This was the most disappointing thing for me. We were putrid all day, but Collingwood's inaccuracy in front of goal kept us in the game. 

When we took the lead in third quarter (twice), all we needed was ten minutes of committed, team first football to break the game open. Instead, McDonald misses a sitter, our defensive pressure vanished again and we reverted to the selfish, half hearted football of the first half.

Even in the last ten minutes of the game we had chances to put Collingwood under real pressure. Pickett's effort in the dying minutes where he burned Fritsch and dribbled the ball into the square was as bad as I've ever seen. He has generally been very good this year, but no doubt he has listening into hype about his Brisbane performance.

We expected the comeback to just happen

  On 16/06/2021 at 06:14, poita said:

This was the most disappointing thing for me. We were putrid all day, but Collingwood's inaccuracy in front of goal kept us in the game. 

When we took the lead in third quarter (twice), all we needed was ten minutes of committed, team first football to break the game open. Instead, McDonald misses a sitter, our defensive pressure vanished again and we reverted to the selfish, half hearted football of the first half.

Even in the last ten minutes of the game we had chances to put Collingwood under real pressure. Pickett's effort in the dying minutes where he burned Fritsch and dribbled the ball into the square was as bad as I've ever seen. He has generally been very good this year, but no doubt he has listening into hype about his Brisbane performance.

Good to see our 11-2 start hasn't dented your hyperbolic criticism skills.

Edited June 16, 20213 yr by titan_uranus

  On 15/06/2021 at 21:54, WalkingCivilWar said:

Bingers didn’t get to enjoy his tea cake?! Curse you, filth!

ima add that to my disproportionately looooong list of reasons I hate Collingwood. ?

I think Bingers ought to be sanctioned for using the word ' avec ' in a post.   Sacre bleu !!!!

Watched parts of the replay of pies game.

My goodness we were poor. I dont think we could have played worse. Our forwards were shocking and our touted mids were not far behind.

Anyone watching that would scratch their heads wondering how we were on top of thed ladder.

 

I would love to know why we have many slow starts? I appreciate our level of fitness and the games where we have come from behind but we are not making things easy.

 

 

I only just got up the courage to look at the stats from this game.

This says a lot.

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Edited June 19, 20213 yr by Tarax Club
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  On 18/06/2021 at 12:46, Clint Bizkit said:

I only just got up the courage to look at the stats from this game.

This says a lot.

Oliver had his worst first quarter. But it happens. 

When a centre clearance was won, the ball use was poor.

Langdon missing the prior game upset his performance. Sparrow is still not ready and our forward line despite delivery was a rabble.

Despite what the club says , I think it was a clear case of being over confident and it showed.

Almost any club in the comp can roll another if a team doesnt give their all.

Sadly the arrogance was  Dees of old.

Its not to say they havent changed. Some things take time. They will learn and not do it again.

Edited June 19, 20213 yr by leave it to deever

  On 19/06/2021 at 22:28, leave it to deever said:

Oliver had his worst first quarter. But it happens. 

When a centre clearance was won, the ball use was poor.

Langdon missing the prior game upset his performance. Sparrow is still not ready and our forward line despite delivery was a rabble.

Despite what the club says , I think it was a clear case of being over confident and it showed.

Almost any club in the comp can roll another if a team doesnt give their all.

Sadly the arrogance was  Dees of old.

Its not to say they havent changed. Some things take time. They will learn and not do it again.

The cliche of the reason being 'arrogance' when the team you support loses a match, that you as a supporter expects to win, is at best a naive reductionist response, at worst, arrogant in itself.

Edited June 19, 20213 yr by Engorged Onion

  On 15/06/2021 at 12:36, bingers said:

I didn't enjoy watching the match at all.

Sadly, the refreshments during the match - Petaluma chardonnay + salmon quiche (avec salad) - helped only slightly. But I was so [censored] off that I didn't even bother with the tea cake.

Clearly you never made it to the cheese platter.

  On 19/06/2021 at 22:50, Engorged Onion said:

The cliche of the reason being 'arrogance' when the team you support loses a match, that you as a supporter expects to win, is at best a naive reductionist response, at worst, arrogant in itself.

Id hate to be married to you.?

Your discounting my opiniin simply by calling it a cliche. You also used the word redctionist totally out of its contextual eptymology.

But in seriousness, I do think the club was complacent going in to that game.

I wasnt, I was worried it might happen so there goes your assumption. Like you know what  Iwas thinking....Woah...I am married to you.?

Thats arrogance. Just saying.

Anyway if you dont like the word or the emotion it invokes then Im happy to say they were at least complacent.....relaxed or proud. But maybe check yours.

Either way we are a much better team and let them beat us. It was not fatigue....monday game....wasnt injuries.

We played our worst game for the year.

Lots of teams do it.... the issue is if we learn from it. Thats humility and maturity.

 

Edited June 20, 20213 yr by leave it to deever