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Hopefully crowds are allowed back in Victoria next season and we’re not moving home games and home finals interstate again.

I know crowds should be back but I’ve learned not to take anything for granted when it comes to how this state continually cops COVID in the neck.

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    I was expecting Dan to mention a date for when Dee's fans can celebrate with the cup at his presser this morning :)

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      On 17/10/2021 at 03:32, 1964_2 said:

    I was expecting Dan to mention a date for when Dee's fans can celebrate with the cup at his presser this morning :)

    We can but only 20 at a time!!!!

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    First player to come out to not being vaccinated - in the AFLW, but I'm sure we'll see some in the men as well.

    https://www.womens.afl/news/74985

    The most shocking thing about this, is who it is and what she does/did for a job outside of footy - seriously she's an ICU nurse who in this article says she'd done a lot of education into Covid??  https://anmj.org.au/afl-player-and-icu-nurse-deni-varnhagen-on-footy-and-working-in-healthcare-in-unpredictable-times/ 

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      On 17/10/2021 at 20:57, Rivers Run Red said:

    Torn, we got freedom, means less time to watch the replay.

    I will find the time.

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      On 18/10/2021 at 01:24, Red and Blue realist said:

    First player to come out to not being vaccinated - in the AFLW, but I'm sure we'll see some in the men as well.

    https://www.womens.afl/news/74985

    The most shocking thing about this, is who it is and what she does/did for a job outside of footy - seriously she's an ICU nurse who in this article says she'd done a lot of education into Covid??  https://anmj.org.au/afl-player-and-icu-nurse-deni-varnhagen-on-footy-and-working-in-healthcare-in-unpredictable-times/ 

    Stupid, selfish, egotistical, gullible ... words fail me. 

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    It would be easy to read the news and twitter and think we have a big problem looming with Vax rates and mandates.

    We don't. 

    Soon - maybe by xmas, Oz will have more than 90% of over 16s double vaxxed. We will be in the top 5 countries in the world for coverage.

    And mandates? 

    The police force is probably relatively representative of the community in terms of the spectrum of views on vaccination and mandates.

    There are 21,399 police officers and PSO’s in Victoria.

    43 are not vaccinated, and were suspended as the mandate came into force. 

    0.2%

    Houston- we don't have a problem.

     

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      On 18/10/2021 at 07:49, binman said:

    It would be easy to read the news and twitter and think we have a big problem looming with Vax rates and mandates.

    Which is one of the reasons why this one-off case is so harmful. She has a platform and visibility and the optics here ("nurse refuses jab") are appalling in terms of the public-health message that's needed. At least pleased to see her club come out and encourage people to get vaxxed.

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      On 18/10/2021 at 06:48, bing181 said:

    Stupid, selfish, egotistical, gullible ... words fail me. 

    I just don’t understand how a health care professional who studied science and medicine can refuse to get vaccinated. 
    You don’t deserve to look after people’s health if you don’t understand or believe in science. 
    All of my friends who are in healthcare are literally waiting to be given the green light to get their booster shots. That’s how committed most healthcare workers are to protecting themselves and their patients. And so they should be!

     

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      On 18/10/2021 at 09:35, bing181 said:

    Which is one of the reasons why this one-off case is so harmful. She has a platform and visibility and the optics here ("nurse refuses jab") are appalling in terms of the public-health message that's needed. At least pleased to see her club come out and encourage people to get vaxxed.

    Don’t stress bing.

    increasing media stories of anti-vaxxer deaths, will over-power this young ladies attention seeking efforts. 
     

      On 18/10/2021 at 09:35, bing181 said:

    Which is one of the reasons why this one-off case is so harmful. She has a platform and visibility and the optics here ("nurse refuses jab") are appalling in terms of the public-health message that's needed. At least pleased to see her club come out and encourage people to get vaxxed.

    Adelaide should consider sacking her.

    She may have been compromised by her treatment of injury  if it involved other drugs.

    But does seem a little confusing. 

     


      On 18/10/2021 at 22:21, binman said:

    I assume she simply will not be allowed to play?

    She certainly won't be able to play in Victoria (unless she has a confirmed medical exemption). Not sure whether other States and Territories have, or will have, a similar Government reqirement. Then she also has to satisfy whatever requirements AFLW or AFL* puts in place.

    *Note: This means Gil's mob. This is another example of why there will inevitably be a name change for the men from AFL to AFLM (or MAFL). There needs to be a way to differentiate clearly between AFL as a corporate body in charge of football of all types and the men's competition. 

      On 18/10/2021 at 22:44, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    She certainly won't be able to play in Victoria (unless she has a confirmed medical exemption). Not sure whether other States and Territories have, or will have, a similar Government reqirement. Then she also has to satisfy whatever requirements AFLW or AFL* puts in place.

    *Note: This means Gil's mob. This is another example of why there will inevitably be a name change for the men from AFL to AFLM (or MAFL). There needs to be a way to differentiate clearly between AFL as a corporate body in charge of football of all types and the men's competition. 

    Apparently whilst she isn't required to get a vaccine to play sport in SA, she will be required to get vaccinated to continue working as a nurse by November 1st. So lets see how it plays out.

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    Saw this in the Premiers covid update:

    "The Premier said the Australian Formula One Grand Prix, scheduled for April, would likely have crowds made up exclusively of people who were fully vaccinated".

    Not sure if that is encouraging for attending the football or not...

    ...unfurling the flag without fans (or limited numbers) doesn't bear thinking about.  

     

      On 18/10/2021 at 01:24, Red and Blue realist said:

    First player to come out to not being vaccinated - in the AFLW, but I'm sure we'll see some in the men as well.

    https://www.womens.afl/news/74985

    The most shocking thing about this, is who it is and what she does/did for a job outside of footy - seriously she's an ICU nurse who in this article says she'd done a lot of education into Covid??  https://anmj.org.au/afl-player-and-icu-nurse-deni-varnhagen-on-footy-and-working-in-healthcare-in-unpredictable-times/ 

    Sam Harris and Eric Topol cover this phenomenon amongst nurses and MDs in this podcast

    https://samharris.org/podcasts/256-contagion-bad-ideas/

    Lack of critical thinking is a general populace issue but it’s striking when present in a cohort that has critical thinking as part of its accreditation 

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      On 19/10/2021 at 02:41, Premiers said:

    Saw this in the Premiers covid update:

    "The Premier said the Australian Formula One Grand Prix, scheduled for April, would likely have crowds made up exclusively of people who were fully vaccinated".

    Not sure if that is encouraging for attending the football or not...

    ...unfurling the flag without fans (or limited numbers) doesn't bear thinking about.  

     

    It appears only vaccinated (and unvaccinated kids) will be at the footy at least at commencement. Given the majority are vaccinated I dont think numbers will be an issue


      On 19/10/2021 at 02:49, Superunknown said:

    It appears only vaccinated (and unvaccinated kids) will be at the footy at least at commencement. Given the majority are vaccinated I dont think numbers will be an issue

    I have little doubt only vaccinated people will be allowed at the football.

    The part of the Premier's statement that was less than encouraging were the words the GP "would likely have crowds".  

    Have you seen your belief stated somewhere by the Premier?  

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      On 19/10/2021 at 02:58, Premiers said:

    I have little doubt only vaccinated people will be allowed at the football.

    The part of the Premier's statement that was less than encouraging were the words the GP "would likely have crowds".  

    Have you seen your belief stated somewhere by the Premier?  

    We live in a world gone nuts at present Premiers. The only thing I am certain of is that the sun will rise tomorrow. Wether I am alive and everything else is yet be decided. 

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      On 19/10/2021 at 02:41, Premiers said:

    Saw this in the Premiers covid update:

    "The Premier said the Australian Formula One Grand Prix, scheduled for April, would likely have crowds made up exclusively of people who were fully vaccinated".

    Not sure if that is encouraging for attending the football or not...

    ...unfurling the flag without fans (or limited numbers) doesn't bear thinking about.  

     

    The Premier's statement (which I'm reading solely in the context of the post I've quoted) is ambiguous, although I don't believe that would have been the Premier's intention. The use of "likely" might have been intended to signify that having any crowd was likely. However, it could have been used to mean that it would be "likely" that only people who are double vaxxed would be allowed to attend. On my first reading, I had assumed he meant the latter. And having now read it a few times, I'm still of that view. If that's correct, I assume crowds will be allowed at AFL games, but that only double vaxxed people (plus possibly those with legit medical exemptions) will be allowed in. 

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      On 19/10/2021 at 03:56, old dee said:

    We live in a world gone nuts at present Premiers. The only thing I am certain of is that the sun will rise tomorrow. Wether I am alive and everything else is yet be decided. 

    and that we are PREMIERS

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      On 19/10/2021 at 04:46, daisycutter said:

    and that we are PREMIERS

    Good point dc! We won the bloody Premiership!

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