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Why we wont win a grand final soon

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3 years since we beat WCE in Perth to make the 8 for the first time since 2006.

Assuming we beat the Suns and Crows. We now need to beat WCE in Perth to make the 4.

Shuey (injury cloud)

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WCE are plucky. We need to beat the Suns and beat them well and take some form into the West. Because this is it. This is our chance to have a chance to win a Premiership right here. The run has to start now!

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    We will [censored] the Suns and Crows. The run to finals really starts now. We can lock away a top 4 spot with three wins against three teams we should undoubtedly beat. 

    If we miss the top 4 from here it'll be up there with 2004. Actually it'll be up there with the entire Daniher era post 2000. 

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    10 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

    What he says in public may well be  different from how he really feels. Someone over on the  “is Goodwin the right guy?” thread explained how he/she interprets that comment as well as other things Goody said in that presser. Made a tonne of sense. 

    So we dont need to listen to Goodwins' comments?

    Seriously??

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    1 hour ago, Kent said:

    So we dont need to listen to Goodwins' comments?

    Seriously??

    Not his public comments, no. 

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    Teams that succeed have momentum going into the finals. At the moment we have none.

    Time to crank up the momentum.

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    Sadly we won’t have to worry about where the GF is played or if we will get a ticket as we are spent for 2021.

    Well there is always next year.

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    6 minutes ago, tiers said:

    Teams that succeed have momentum going into the finals. At the moment we have none.

    Time to crank up the momentum.

    Not always.

    West Coast in 2018 went 3-2 through their final five games.

    The Dogs in 2016 went 3-3 through their final six games.

    Sydney in 2012 went 1-3 in their final four games.

    Obviously we'd rather be winning in our last month than not, but it's not necessarily the end of the world.

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    To answer the OP most likely reasons will be:

    1. Beaten by the better team on the day

    2. We don't kick straight

    3. We're injury depleted going into the game

    4. Bad luck with ump calls / bounce of the ball etc.

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    29 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

    Not always.

    West Coast in 2018 went 3-2 through their final five games.

    The Dogs in 2016 went 3-3 through their final six games.

    Sydney in 2012 went 1-3 in their final four games.

    Obviously we'd rather be winning in our last month than not, but it's not necessarily the end of the world.

    So what you're saying is - on evidence - the last 5 games actually have no baring on the games in finals, its just that supporters like to buy into the notion of momentum? 

    Let me just encapsulate our season from a momentum perspective...

    At round 1 we were neither +/- for momentum. 

    We then had momentum for 9 games, until we didn't, then we got some again for two games, until we didn't and we lost, but then we stopped the lack of momentum by having a win, by which time we had momentum, until we lost the week after, but then we reversed that momentum by having another win, we then lost that momentum by drawing, and further momentum was lost on Saturday night, which I presume will have massive baring on the outcome of the game against the Suns if it is indeed played.

     

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    It's genuinely depressing seeing how much concerted effort some posters put in to twist everything into a negative light.

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    1 hour ago, demonique said:

    Win the next 8 games , problem solved 

    I'd be happy to win our next seven, but winning round 1 of 2022 would also be nice.

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    7 hours ago, praha said:

    If we miss the top 4 from here it'll be up there with 2004. Actually it'll be up there with the entire Daniher era post 2000. 

    It’ll be actually worse. ND put up with an administrative circus and a football setup at the Junction Oval that was close to park footy.

    Goody has had as smooth a run this year as could be expected. Hell, the president was forced out in a political power play fresh from the script of ‘The Thick of It’ and there wasn’t the traditional MFC imbroglio of name calling, sniping and factional warfare.

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    5 hours ago, Kent said:

    So we dont need to listen to Goodwins' comments?

    Seriously??

    I think it's actually quite niave to think the coaches public utterances are the same as what's going on behind closed doors.

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    28 minutes ago, loges said:

    I think it's actually quite niave to think the coaches public utterances are the same as what's going on behind closed doors.

    Well that's one view loges naive as I said previously if Goodwin doesn't tell it how it is then he should say nothing 

    What's the use of bull s*&ing  when there is great interest in the performance of the team and the coach and disrespecting the supporters. Maybe the problem is him????

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    43 minutes ago, Kent said:

    Well that's one view loges naive as I said previously if Goodwin doesn't tell it how it is then he should say nothing 

    What's the use of bull s*&ing  when there is great interest in the performance of the team and the coach and disrespecting the supporters. Maybe the problem is him????

    Well I honestly think it's the way of the AFL in general.

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    51 minutes ago, Kent said:

    Well that's one view loges naive as I said previously if Goodwin doesn't tell it how it is then he should say nothing 

    What's the use of bull s*&ing  when there is great interest in the performance of the team and the coach and disrespecting the supporters. Maybe the problem is him????

    @Kent, I'm not sure how long you have followed the AFL for.

    There appears to be a tacit agreement between supporters, the media and coaches, for coaches to answer questions without giving any meaningful insight.

    Whist I agree about transparency, unless you're part of the inner sanctum, you and I as supporters are never going to get it. And that's not driven by disrespect to the supporters, that's driven and done for a multitude of reasons.

    • Protecting players mental health (absorbing the ire of supporters himself)
    • Not giving away IP to other football departments 
    • it's not local footy

    In playing devil's advocate.

    Can you imagine if Goodwin led off with.

    "Yeah, look we lost tonight because well, you know, today, the players are down on confidence, I was outcoached on particular tactics, and quite frankly some of my players just didn't do what was required. I mean I don't want to breach their trust, but it's important that the supporters know the explicit reasons for why we don't do things perfectly.

    The game plan works most of the time, but not all, that's on me, let me tell succinctly what elements were broken down, again just so the supporters know for sure that we are acting on things on the 5-6 days between matches.  We know we are nothing without our supporters, that's why we owe it to them weekly basis in our presser, to ensure that they know, that we know, that they think is disrespectful that we don't answer questions, that the broader general public and other football departments will now be privy to."

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    3 hours ago, Luther said:

    It's genuinely depressing seeing how much concerted effort some posters put in to twist everything into a negative light.

    It's called MFCSS

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    4 hours ago, Luther said:

    It's genuinely depressing seeing how much concerted effort some posters put in to twist everything into a negative light.

    I don't think that's fair Luther. You do know where we are, don't you? When things have been going well the level of negativity has decreased by at least 3.7%. When we are not going well it has increased by 96.3% which equals a total of 100%. My understanding of statistics tell me that, in this situation, all things are equal and MFCSS is alive and well. What's your problem?

    Go DEES!

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