University research on fans' views of racism in the AFL

[tincan 171]

Don't need a survey to know there is racism in every pocket of every community in every country on the planet.

[monoccular 17,642]

16 minutes ago, tincan said:

Don't need a survey to know there is racism in every pocket of every community in every country on the planet.

… and that racism is a two way street.  

[faultydet 7,623]

14 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

LOL talk about a tonne of answers to choose from. And even after all those answers, you had the option to “describe yourself” if none of the answers were applicable. 

And people wonder why I reckon the University has an agenda here.....

[deespicable me 1,550]

I did the survey but found the last question inherently racist.

It asks you to describe yourself and suggests "white Australian" etc. I answered Australian. If you answered white Australian you aligned yourself with the question, took the bait and are now considered inherently racist. Your views will be collated accordingly. I mean what does it matter what colour I am as to how I answer the survey.

I am Australian. 

[Grr-owl 1,257]

20 hours ago, faultydet said:

That is the very first thing that crossed my mind when I read "academic at the University of South Australia" and "research on fans' views of racism in the AFL".

Would expect the academic already has an end point in mind and is simply looking to fill the spaces in between.

 

Took the survey anyway. Is not very in depth. In fact it seemed incredibly shallow.

Of course their is racism. Is it a big problem in the AFL? Not now that Eddie McGuire has left the scene. The stuff he was allowed to get away with was astonishing. That is where the O.P should start with his survey.

Wouldn't be academic is this were true. 

[Grr-owl 1,257]

3 hours ago, tincan said:

Don't need a survey to know there is racism in every pocket of every community in every country on the planet.

3 hours ago, monoccular said:

… and that racism is a two way street.  

But you do need a survey if you want to investigate that phenomenon academically, and the scientific method is the only way humans have developed which systematically removes bias. Otherwise we fall back on belief, on assumptions, the 'it's as plain as the nose on your face' arguments or pseudo-science (that is belief disguised as science) which don't hold up in the cold light of reality.

 

 

 

[deebug 1,754]

Done?

[Fanatique Demon 2,680]

Happy to have participated but surprised by the lack of depth.

[faultydet 7,623]

2 hours ago, Grr-owl said:

But you do need a survey if you want to investigate that phenomenon academically, and the scientific method is the only way humans have developed which systematically removes bias. Otherwise we fall back on belief, on assumptions, the 'it's as plain as the nose on your face' arguments or pseudo-science (that is belief disguised as science) which don't hold up in the cold light of reality.

 

 

 

Interested to know if you took the survey?

It didn't look very scientific at all to me.

[Grr-owl 1,257]

1 hour ago, faultydet said:

Interested to know if you took the survey?

It didn't look very scientific at all to me.

Yep.

What does it need to be scientific, a bloke in a lab coat and silver frizzy hair? They ask questions and analyze the results according to tried and trusted methods. Respected people in the same field then review any ensuing papers and if they pass mustard they get published for the wider community to scrutinize, attempt to replicate, and discuss. The method has served people very well, with exceptions (especially in some social sciences), ever since some people began questioning if divining the future from tea-leaves actually worked or not.

Guess what? It didn't, and still doesn't. Science can be simply summarized as finding out what works.

[Grr-owl 1,257]

5 hours ago, deespicable me said:

I mean what does it matter what colour I am as to how I answer the survey.

I included this in my answer.

[tincan 171]

3 hours ago, Grr-owl said:

But you do need a survey if you want to investigate that phenomenon academically, and the scientific method is the only way humans have developed which systematically removes bias. Otherwise we fall back on belief, on assumptions, the 'it's as plain as the nose on your face' arguments or pseudo-science (that is belief disguised as science) which don't hold up in the cold light of reality.

 

 

 

But Grr-owl you could pretty much summarise the entire survey in one question - 'Is there racism at AFL?'. It seemed kinda pointless and obvious.... Maybe the original poster could shed some light.

[Grr-owl 1,257]

Well some questions were aimed at discovering if there's been change over time... Also asking for assessments of ideas and approaches and then about the future and other stuff... And the written portions allowed scope for explanations. This kind of detail can be very important; leaves space for information that Yes/No answers can't address.

I thought it was fairly pointed and nuanced. In any case, it need not be groundbreaking comprehensive research to be of value. I do about five of these a week. It is the hardest thing for researchers to get honest and representative results, so it helps everyone to do surveys and contribute to research that might just pay off. The worst thing is to have bad (unrepresentative) research from which poor decisions are made.....

[ManDee 7,317]

I would like to know why ask us? Have all clubs been asked the same questions? Have other sports been surveyed? Are we being set up? Okay call me a suspicious sceptic. I will  abstain.

[Macca 17,113]

4 hours ago, ManDee said:

I would like to know why ask us? Have all clubs been asked the same questions? Have other sports been surveyed? Are we being set up? Okay call me a suspicious sceptic. I will  abstain.

Is this person a true academic or did said person stumble across this survey and try their luck here

There is a similar thread in the other sports section here on this site

Edited June 9, 2021 by Macca

[faultydet 7,623]

1 hour ago, Grr-owl said:

Yep.

What does it need to be scientific, a bloke in a lab coat and silver frizzy hair? They ask questions and analyze the results according to tried and trusted methods. Respected people in the same field then review any ensuing papers and if they pass mustard they get published for the wider community to scrutinize, attempt to replicate, and discuss. The method has served people very well, with exceptions (especially in some social sciences), ever since some people began questioning if divining the future from tea-leaves actually worked or not.

Guess what? It didn't, and still doesn't. Science can be simply summarized as finding out what works.

To base a "paper" on a survey as crude as this one would be an embarrassment.

Everyone's opinion of what constitutes a racist comment is different. If you want to really research, wouldn't you ask much more in-depth questions?

 

[Accepting Mediocrity 1,418]

9 minutes ago, Macca said:

I reckon it's just another scam.  Is this person a true academic or did said person stumble across this survey and try their luck here

What motive could anyone possibly have to bother doing that? He/ she (or at least a poster also going by 'the academic') was inviting people to complete the survey on bigfooty (and presumably other footy forums) as well. Who knew, it's possible that footy forums are an ideal place to locate a bunch of people with an interest in AFL.

4 minutes ago, faultydet said:

To base a "paper" on a survey as crude as this one would be an embarrassment.

Researcher:

- Completes bachelor of science, achieves grades necessary to enter postgraduate research. 

- Completes honors/ masters thesis, develops expertise in field. Achieves results required to obtain PhD scholarship. 

- Undertakes PhD, commences novel research in field of expertise. 

- Develops expertise in survey design, data analysis, etc relating to field of research.

- Completes PhD thesis, publishes results in peer-reviewed journals.

- Results subject to rigorous and soul-destroying peer review process by rivals in the field.

- Successfully procures funding to undertake further research via competitive grant application process.

- Designs 5 minute survey on racism in the AFL based on well established survey methodology.

 

Coal miner from Queensland who failed year 9 science:

- Bull****!

[Demonstone 23,336]

9 hours ago, monoccular said:

… and that racism is a two way street.  

Not sure what you're trying to say here, mono.  Racism is racism is racism, regardless of the perpetrator.

[Macca 17,113]

2 hours ago, Accepting Mediocrity said:

What motive could anyone possibly have to bother doing that? He/ she (or at least a poster also going by 'the academic') was inviting people to complete the survey on bigfooty (and presumably other footy forums) as well. Who knew, it's possible that footy forums are an ideal place to locate a bunch of people with an interest in AFL.

 

The debate on race often ends up the same way and if I was conducting a survey on race on a forum such as this one, I'd probably know where it would end up

It's time for action not more surveys

The sporting bodies need to lead the way with regards to racism and they should know what to do by now.  Same as most people by now should know what the results of these surveys will tell us

We need to stop talking about the problem and fix the problem

By the way, I'm a staunch anti-racist and have been known to end a post with ...

'Say No To Racism'

Edited June 9, 2021 by Macca

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,765]

13 hours ago, CBDees said:

Research Rule 1

start off with your ‘Conclusion’

Research Rule 2

make sure that you write a good ‘research question’ to support your ‘Conclusion’

Research Rule 3

assemble roughly 80,000 words of indecipherable tables, surveys, statistics and quotes from the ‘French philosophers’ and insert between your ‘Introduction’ (Research Question) and your ‘Conclusion’!

?‍?

Complete rubbish. Nice imagination, though.

[Macca 17,113]

This thread should be in the 'General Discussion' area of the site anyway

Edited June 9, 2021 by Macca

[Accepting Mediocrity 1,418]

29 minutes ago, Macca said:

People needlessly arguing with one another ... and if the goal is to waste people's time and create division, you'd possibly conduct a survey about race

There's the motive ... another time waster. Or someone with an agenda

Have you been scammed multiple times on your mobile like most have?  

I could be wrong here but there's also this bit ...

'theacademic' ... one word, all lowercase.  What sort of credentials are they?

By the way, I'm a staunch anti-racist and have been known to end a post with ...

'Say No To Racism'

All good mate, every second email/ phone call is a scam these days. But the survey website is legit and there's no reason anyone would gain anything from making people do a survey. They're not collecting any personal info or anything like that.

 

It was in the general discussion area as well - I presume it was moved to the main board to get more respondents. Seems to have worked in any case.

Edited June 9, 2021 by Accepting Mediocrity

[Macca 17,113]

2 hours ago, Accepting Mediocrity said:

All good mate, every second email/ phone call is a scam these days. But the survey website is legit and there's no reason anyone would gain anything from making people do a survey. They're not collecting any personal info or anything like that.

Fair enough

I'm suss about these sorts of surveys as a general rule.  Are the results of these surveys going to change the mind of a narrow-minded racist?  And there's a lot of them about

Most people are set with their thinking and they won't be changing their minds in a hurry

It's a slow burn eliminating racism ... going to take a while.  Real affirmative action is required rather than asking people whether racism exists or not

Edited June 9, 2021 by Macca

[Watson11 2,246]

1 hour ago, Macca said:

I reckon it's just another scam.  Is this person a true academic or did said person stumble across this survey and try their luck here 

Someone trying to waste our time and getting us arguing amongst each other over race? Did they contact the owner of the site or the mods before posting up the questionaire?  If not, why not?

There is a similar thread in the other sports section here on this site

If you did the survey they put their names to it.  The Professor is widely published https://scholar.google.com.au/citations?user=joRKOIQAAAAJ&hl=en

If you look at what he specialises in it seems to be leadership as related to sports.  So I doubt they are trying to determine if my or your views are racist or not. I would suggest this survey is about the AFL and their leadership (or perhaps lack of) regarding racism.  I for one have no clue whether the policy’s they quoted in the survey exist or not, and am ignorant about a few other things in the survey.  Maybe I’ve missed it, but the AFL seem to react when there is an obvious incident, and do stuff so they can pat themselves on the back.  But do they show leadership for the clubs and fans? Maybe that’s what the survey is about.

[Macca 17,113]

3 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

If you did the survey they put their names to it.  The Professor is widely published https://scholar.google.com.au/citations?user=joRKOIQAAAAJ&hl=en

If you look at what he specialises in it seems to be leadership as related to sports.  So I doubt they are trying to determine if my or your views are racist or not. I would suggest this survey is about the AFL and their leadership (or perhaps lack of) regarding racism.  I for one have no clue whether the policy’s they quoted in the survey exist or not, and am ignorant about a few other things in the survey.  Maybe I’ve missed it, but the AFL seem to react when there is an obvious incident, and do stuff so they can pat themselves on the back.  But do they show leadership for the clubs and fans? Maybe that’s what the survey is about.

Fair enough it's probably not a scam in that sense but in terms of changing the thinking with the results, I'm not so sure

As an example ... the mob mentality surrounding Adam Goodes shows us how far we need to go before inherent racism is stamped out

For all the work the AFL does,  it failed spectacularly when it came to being able to handle the Adam Goodes situation

Hounded out of the game and people wonder why he won't accept a hall of fame honour?

If it was me I'd take the same stance.  Accept the award and it's an admission that could easily satisfy those who hounded him out of the sport