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The premiership formula

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8 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

At round 2,  undefeated and in the top 4, nothing is sewn up. 

And each of those great teams, all were seen as “lucky” to win their first flag (think Hawks in 2008), the “greatness” was applied in retrospect. I worry the Doggies have another flag or two in their current (flag winning) group... our unexpected success not dissimilar to their wild ride to their flag...

My point being, retrospective logic is a great way to describe and understand the past, but can be fairly useless in predicting the future... 

 

Go Demons.

Eagles and Port have 12 home games....(including the derbies) add to that four away wins and they are top 4.

Hard to see either missing this year.

Tigers will definitely be in the four unless one or both of their two forwards are injured.

Who gets fourth....

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    3 hours ago, Garbo said:

    Think what this shows is regardless of if this group wins a flag we are 2 years away from seeing the best from this group, if we can be in the top 6 this year and top 4 next, that bodes well for potential future success. What you don’t want is to be peaking in 2 years and only getting in lower half of the 8 ala north of a few years back.

    Agree... you would like to see a handful more players at 150+ games. Gawn, trac, Salem, brayshaw, lever and viney are the next bunch. 
    get them to 150 and playing together and we will be formidable 

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    4 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    Eagles and Port have 12 home games....(including the derbies) add to that four away wins and they are top 4.

    Hard to see either missing this year.

    Tigers will definitely be in the four unless one or both of their two forwards are injured.

    Who gets fourth....

    We’ll be finishing 3rd and I doubt WC will be too 4. As flag favourites we’re a lock for top 4

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    On 3/30/2021 at 1:29 AM, Left Foot Snap said:

    When I see these sorts of threads I have flash backs to Milton the Monster.

    When the stiring's done can I lick the spoon?

    of course, ha, ha of course

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    If I look at the current sides what really helps is having 2 gun forwards :

    Tigers - Riewoldt and Lynch, Geelong - Hawkins and now Cameron, West Coast - Kennedy and Daaaarling and the umpires, Brisbane - Hippo and Daniher

    And the Dees have.....

     

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    37 minutes ago, Jontee said:

    If I look at the current sides what really helps is having 2 gun forwards :

    Tigers - Riewoldt and Lynch, Geelong - Hawkins and now Cameron, West Coast - Kennedy and Daaaarling and the umpires, Brisbane - Hippo and Daniher

    And the Dees have.....

     

    Tmac's resurgence could be one that we really need to be competitive....We are actually pretty good in this regard though.

    Tmac/BB/Majak/Weideman.  We should have plenty of selections to ponder in the near future.

    Petty and Mitch Brown could also chop out in these positions, we are actually stacked for options with tall forwards.

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    23 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

    And a good coach!

    A great team of coaches!

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    2 hours ago, Jontee said:

    If I look at the current sides what really helps is having 2 gun forwards :

    Tigers - Riewoldt and Lynch, Geelong - Hawkins and now Cameron, West Coast - Kennedy and Daaaarling and the umpires, Brisbane - Hippo and Daniher

    And the Dees have.....

     

    Great Clubs haven't won flags in years with top goal kickers a spread is ideal so Jontee look at the records!

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    3 hours ago, Jontee said:

    If I look at the current sides what really helps is having 2 gun forwards :

    Tigers - Riewoldt and Lynch, Geelong - Hawkins and now Cameron, West Coast - Kennedy and Daaaarling and the umpires, Brisbane - Hippo and Daniher

    And the Dees have.....

     

     

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    24 minutes ago, bandicoot said:

    Oldest and most experienced team in the past 14 years... 

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    Some great numbers there, fantastic viewing.

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    Mmmm 8% beer.

    The pedant in me comes out...

    why in that graphic, does it cap out at 150+

    assuming you play 15-20 games a year - its an 8-10 year overview... so you're 26-28 years of age... 

    do the next 50 (150-200games) not gain your further experience, knowledge, insight? 

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    12 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

    Mmmm 8% beer.

    The pedant in me comes out...

    why in that graphic, does it cap out at 150+

    assuming you play 15-20 games a year - its an 8-10 year overview... so you're 26-28 years of age... 

    do the next 50 (150-200games) not gain your further experience, knowledge, insight? 

    Exactly Onion.....it's not pedantic either. 

    A player doesn't get to 150 games unless they are any good.  A player doesn't get to 150 games unless they are 26-28 years of age.

    Games played and age are the outcomes, not the reason. 

    Does anyone seriously think that 22 Shaun Burgoynes ( of today) in the side will gurarantee a premiership? He's just not as good today as once.  But he is older and has played more games......

    The more good players you have in the side, the more likely you are to win a premiership.    Simples!

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    4 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

    Exactly Onion.....it's not pedantic either. 

    A player doesn't get to 150 games unless they are any good.  A player doesn't get to 150 games unless they are 26-28 years of age.

    Games played and age are the outcomes, not the reason. 

    Does anyone seriously think that 22 Shaun Burgoynes ( of today) in the side will gurarantee a premiership? He's just not as good today as once.  But he is older and has played more games......

    The more good players you have in the side, the more likely you are to win a premiership.    Simples!

    That last sentence says it all George. 

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    I have seen 6 premiership at the MFC in my time as a supporter the teams since the 1950's and 1960's always lacked something which made them poor, the 2021 team has the same feel as the 1950's team which was an excellent defence and good midfield whether the forwards can kick a winning score is the major question that will be answered in the next 10 weeks.

    When Norm Smith was coach he always had a system that a good attacking defence and midfield put pressure on the opposition's back line and the fowards who played their roles would eventually kick a winning score.

    The players have to have a positive outlook meaning they should always believe they will win no matter how badly the game looks, I remember back in the 50's the MFC was playing South Melbourne as the Lakeside oval and at 3/4 time Melbourne was 29 points down and were kicking into the wind Norm Smith made a change and played Ron Barassi in the Back Pocket.

    The result was the run out of the backline increased and Melbourne won the game.

    This is the type positive thinking that can win premiership.

    We have the cattle and we will find out whether the players have the mental edge?

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