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From the tribunal proceedings:

DANGERFIELD PLEA

Dangerfield has pleaded guilty to rough conduct but will contest the classification of severe impact. He will argue the impact was high.

 Apparently severe is when the player's head ends in Row 5.

 
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    'Tis but a flesh wound....

    Dangerfield's lawyer has encouraged the jury not to place too much stock in the fact Kelly suffered a broken nose.
     
    "How many players have you played with who have played with broken noses?" he asks. 
     
    He argues the nose is a "sensitive and vulnerable part of the body" and "the broken nose tends to show us the site of the accidental contact between heads" but is not an indicator of impact.
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    6 hours ago, Redleg said:

    The guy had gotten rid of the ball and was looking downfield.

    Danger came in from the side. He could have grabbed him, pushed him or done nothing as he didn't have the ball and wasn't expecting blind side contact.

    Danger chose to bump. The one thing he shouldn't have done.

    He broke the guys nose and knocked him out.

    Graded as severe, as that is the only one available with those injuries.

    Yes, the head bump was probably accidental, however that is exactly what they are trying to stop.

    Danger knows that better than any other player,  as President of the Player's association.

    They have been told countless times, bump and you are responsible for any head knock, deliberate or accidental.

    No excuse whatsoever under the rules.

    All hell will break out if he doesn't get the right whack, minimum 3 weeks.

    ANB got 4 weeks in a 17 game season for swinging a player to the ground with one arm held. That player got concussed mildly.

    This is a far worse injury, from an act that the AFL is telling players to avoid if possible.

    Watch 60 minutes last sunday on CTE deaths and suicides.

     

    For clarity ANB received a 3 week penalty for careless, high contact, severe impact, but a week was added due to our failed appeal. That was for a sling tackle where the player was able to jog off the ground assisted and sat out the match with concussion.

    The Danger incident required Kelly to be stretchered from the ground as he was out cold before he hit the ground and also suffered a broken nose. If it is downgraded to high impact then it makes a mockery of ANB's suspension and sets a standard that would require a Mortal Kombat style fatality move to grade any incidents as severe impact.

    It will definitely be at least 3 weeks, and possibly 4.

    Edited by chookrat

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    Based on the AFL news feed their lawyer, Gleeson, doesn't seem to have put up much of a case to prosecute the charge.

    Is it too cynical to 'smell a rat', so to speak?

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    Dangers lawyer arguing

    Dangerfield's lawyer is highlighting that there are only three previous cases where players (all lesser players) have  been charged with making severe impact to an opponent.

    1. Jeremy Cameron on Harris Andrews. Cameron made contact to Andrews' head with his elbow. 

    2. Alex Neale-Bullen on Will Hamill. A dangerous tackle that left Hamill with concussion.
     
    3. Ben Long on Sean Darcy. A head-high bump in which Long collects Darcy high while the Docker has his head over the ball. .
     
    He is questioning whether Dangerfield's incident fits in the same category, given he is a Brownlow medalist and 8 time All Australian.

    Edited by chookrat

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    Didn’t realise that ANB was one of only three players to be charged with severe contact and did they just go to Siri?? Crikey 

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    Good footballer turned into Scott clone, so much more talented though, and free kick chaser, one eye on umpire seeing it, like his playmate. Bursts into contacts purporting desperation, sometimes it is and this time it isn't.....

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    2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

    defence has enlisted SIRI as an expert witness ....... LOL

    what a [censored].  Trying to show how cool and with it he is perhaps?

     

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    3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

    defence has enlisted SIRI as an expert witness ....... LOL

    WTF, this is a circus. Surely the grading severe impact is determined based on the standard that is applied, not a definition provided by Siri.

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    I can understand what Danger's lawyers are trying to do with arguing the head clash was secondary to the bump action, and therefore incidental, but this flies in the face of the argument that if you elect to bump then you accept the consequence of the bump. The troubling part is the AFL have a track record of including such a nuanced approach that over complicates things and results in preverse outcomes the next time there is a similar incident. While the AFL seems to relish in the theatre of such outcomes and the discussion it creates, we are talking about concussion and the importance of taking it very seriously.

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    I get that a broken nose might bring a classification of 'high' level impact.

    The kid was knocked out cold before he hit the ground and after some time carried off on a stretcher.  That sounds like 'severe' level impact to me.

    Or did everyone conveniently ignore the concussion and just focus on the broken nose.

    I qualify my comments by saying I'm not sure we are getting enough info on what is said on the AFL feed.

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    Really smelling the star player benefit coming here, particularly as (if true) the prosecution lawyer isn’t putting up much of a fight. So much of this makes a mockery of the system, just puts more evidence into ANB being made into a sacrificial lamb last year. They were all about making a statement then, but when it’s a star player they look for a get out clause. 

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    I'd have thought the ANB example would be used by the prosecution to argue the Dangerfield's action was far worse and so the penalty should be more. 

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    18 minutes ago, chookrat said:

    WTF, this is a circus. Surely the grading severe impact is determined based on the standard that is applied, not a definition provided by Siri.

    The lawyer probably looked up some real dictionaries and was appalled by the definition s and found Siri's definition helped his case.   Nah as above probably just an person who performs acts on MP's desks

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    RESULT

    The jury has graded the incident as severe impact.
     
    They came to that judgement considering the level of force and injuries sustained with particular reference to the Adelaide medical report.
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    Fair result. There’s a chance Kelly will miss 2 games given they’ve got a 13 day window for rounds 2-3. Wouldn’t be fair in my view that the perpetrator sits out the same length of time.

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    42 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

    defence has enlisted SIRI as an expert witness ....... LOL

    Was Siri available at short notice??

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    Should have got more because he was a star player. bringing the game into disrepute....

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