Jonathan Brown to take Sam Weideman under his wing

[kev martin 9,929]

29 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think positioning and not getting enough easy ball are far bigger problems for Weid than toughness or presence

I think it is about toughness and presence.

Would love to see him make physical contact and time his leads as he pushes off his opponent or just out bustle them.

I think he tries to off foot them to make separation but his acceleration or deception is not good enough.

Wish he would also crash some packs.

Time for him to impose himself in there.

[Deemania since 56 6,648]

On 12/25/2020 at 11:56 PM, nosoupforme said:

The Weid will learn something out of the great man. JB has the knowhow and will definitely give him some vital tips and strategies

Lets hope this could be the making of the Weid,  He certainly has the talent.

 

The assistance would be very useful but there is some hesitancy on the Weed's learning and onfield execution of advisories. In a good season's performance, the Weed clunks a few marks and goals. He should be clunking a much larger amount of positive performances by this stage. One can be wrong and I certainly hope that my scepticism of his proven value is way off the mark.

 

[DeeSpencer 25,715]

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

I rate your footy acumen Deespencer but with Weideman you seem to be able to see things in his game that I’m unable to. 
The recruitment of Brown you were dead against and went as far to say it will send Weideman back to the VFL. 
If it’s only a couple of uncontested grabs and half a goal between becoming one of the best forwards or battling at Casey - what am I missing?

The issue I have with Brown and Weid is about fit. 2 big talls who don’t offer a lot of possessions and defensive effort. Jackson complements either of them individually. But alone they have value.

Brown’s value is obvious as a 60 goal forward. Weid’s 2020 apart from Cairns he crashed packs, kicked goals at a decent clip and took strong marks. He was a solid afl player and the best and fairest reflected that, with a couple more touches he’d be a very good afl player. After that it’s a matter of fit with Brown as above. 

[rjay 24,930]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think positioning and not getting enough easy ball are far bigger problems for Weid than toughness or presence.

The lack of reliable second option meant he had to be up the ground, and the game plan to get goal side for long bombs to the square left him sprinting deep.

The Jackson - Weid combo worked briefly before Jacko went down. Personally I’d rather stick with that but the Brown-Weid combo should be able to produce similar results. 
 

But part of that is Weid finding easy ball when he’s up the ground or even leading inside 50. Add a couple of uncontested marks each game and another half a goal a week and he’s right up with the best forwards. 

 

25 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

The issue I have with Brown and Weid is about fit. 2 big talls who don’t offer a lot of possessions and defensive effort. Jackson complements either of them individually. But alone they have value.

Brown’s value is obvious as a 60 goal forward. Weid’s 2020 apart from Cairns he crashed packs, kicked goals at a decent clip and took strong marks. He was a solid afl player and the best and fairest reflected that, with a couple more touches he’d be a very good afl player. After that it’s a matter of fit with Brown as above. 

I liked the Jackson - Weid combo...a pity Jackson went down as a bit more time could have cemented that pairing without the need to chase Brown.

We played some good footy when those 2 were left as the keys.

As an aside, I wonder how much influence the CEO had in us chasing Brown? He seemed pretty keen on us chasing a key forward.

Just a thought...

[nosoupforme 3,085]

48 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

The assistance would be very useful but there is some hesitancy on the Weed's learning and onfield execution of advisories. In a good season's performance, the Weed clunks a few marks and goals. He should be clunking a much larger amount of positive performances by this stage. One can be wrong and I certainly hope that my scepticism of his proven value is way off the mark.

 

JB a great player of the game and  a triple premiership  player in the positions that the Weid is trying to make it in. 24 yo now not the teenager in his first season has had success in finals playing in the forward line before.

I believe JB'S knowhow might be the key to unlocking his talents. Will be watching him growing in confidence in 2021 and beyond and with much interest.

 

[kev martin 9,929]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Weid’s 2020 apart from Cairns he crashed packs,

I thought he was more likely to be first to the ball drop area and then he gets crashed into.

Good that he could usually bring the ball down infront.

I like his goal kicking routine and  hands are getting better at marking. Would like to see his arms more forward of his head so becomes more difficult to spoil.

[deespicable me 1,487]

Probably won't peak for another season or two as he hasn't built enough strength into his body yet. He is still too easily bodied out of contests. But with three tall options and some smarts around playing decoy and sheparding for one another and leading patterns he can definitely be part of a functioning forward line. 

As for Brown he was an Apex predator in the classic full forward role of Carey and Lockett. Weids is not an Apex personality, he is more similar in personality to a Matthew Lloyd. Lloyd was under a master coach. Weids desperately needs good coaching. 

[58er 6,454]

3 hours ago, rjay said:

 

I liked the Jackson - Weid combo...a pity Jackson went down as a bit more time could have cemented that pairing without the need to chase Brown.

We played some good footy when those 2 were left as the keys.

As an aside, I wonder how much influence the CEO had in us chasing Brown? He seemed pretty keen on us chasing a key forward.

Just a thought...

RJay I don't  for one minute think that The Jackson injury was the catalyst for recruiting BBB.

Blind  Harry Can see we need a mature "man" with a good record to lead our forward line and Ben or another forward was always the trade method the Club Needed to pursue.
 

Weid and Jacko will learn and prosper from Ben ( and Johnathon Brown also) but all our forwards including our latest 3 draftees Bowery Laurie and Rosman are part of our most needed successful part of the Dees in 2021 and beyond. I have no idea if all will gel together but I believe such is the group of Coaches now that This success  will be achieved.

That Ben and Sam appear similar should nit be an issue if they play their part in the plan for  our goal scoring To lead our attack in 2021 we should all Work  as a group to get that ball Between the Goals for majors.

2021 is going to be a season  like no other to enjoy a left over  mood A d Montb assistance  

[58er 6,454]

2 minutes ago, 58er said:

RJay I don't  for one minute think that The Jackson injury was the catalyst for recruiting BBB.

Blind  Harry Can see we need a mature "man" with a good record to lead our forward line and Ben or another forward was always the trade method the Club Needed to pursue.
 

Weid and Jacko will learn and prosper from Ben ( and Johnathon Brown also) but all our forwards including our latest 3 draftees Bowery Laurie and Rosman are part of our most needed successful part of the Dees in 2021 and beyond. I have no idea if all will gel together but I believe such is the group of Coaches now that This success  will be achieved.

That Ben and Sam appear similar should nit be an issue if they play their part in the plan for  our goal scoring To lead our attack in 2021 we should all Work  as a group to get that ball Between the Goals for majors.

2021 is going to be a season  like no other to enjoy a left over  mood And Montb beloeassistance  

[rjay 24,930]

6 hours ago, 58er said:

RJay I don't  for one minute think that The Jackson injury was the catalyst for recruiting BBB.

Blind  Harry Can see we need a mature "man" with a good record to lead our forward line and Ben or another forward was always the trade method the Club Needed to pursue.
 

Weid and Jacko will learn and prosper from Ben ( and Johnathon Brown also) but all our forwards including our latest 3 draftees Bowery Laurie and Rosman are part of our most needed successful part of the Dees in 2021 and beyond. I have no idea if all will gel together but I believe such is the group of Coaches now that This success  will be achieved.

That Ben and Sam appear similar should nit be an issue if they play their part in the plan for  our goal scoring To lead our attack in 2021 we should all Work  as a group to get that ball Between the Goals for majors.

2021 is going to be a season  like no other to enjoy a left over  mood A d Montb assistance  

I didn't say it was the catalyst.

...but did think it would have been good to see where they were at the end of the season if they had played it out together.

[Smokey 4,389]

So is Browny actually mentoring Sam, or did they just have a one off chat? 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

7 minutes ago, Smokey said:

So is Browny actually mentoring Sam, or did they just have a one off chat? 

Club has actively been trying to get Brown involved in some way for a few months, at one stage the rumour was a board position was on offer. Fingers crossed this is a hint/step towards more official involvement from him.

[Smokey 4,389]

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Club has actively been trying to get Brown involved in some way for a few months, at one stage the rumour was a board position was on offer. Fingers crossed this is a hint/step towards more official involvement from him.

I like the sound of that. Good to see the club thinking outside the box and bringing in top talent in different capacities.

[Willmoy1947 4,091]

He (Weideman) did need some work and as much as i hate to but i think Brownie having a little bit of ear massage from Roos and Lyon contributed to this effort getting a gig. 

[Neil Crompton 5,562]

2 hours ago, willmoy said:

He (Weideman) did need some work and as much as i hate to but i think Brownie having a little bit of ear massage from Roos and Lyon contributed to this effort getting a gig. 

Are we reading too much into this?

All we know publicly is what Sam said - ie he rang JB and had a chat with him. Saying that Sam is being mentored by JB is a bit over the top at this stage I would have thought - and heaven knows where the “ear massage from Roos and Lyon contributed to (JB) getting a gig” came from.

The fact that the video was essentially about back yard cricket, with a (MFC) worthy football statement thrown in as an aside, would seem to highlight what the media found as more news worthy.

I rate Sam, and would welcome him seeking JB or Carey or Lyon as a mentor as good news, but I just don’t want to jump the gun on this item just yet.

[maximum bob 462]

Brown was never going to be on the Board of the MFC. One of the more bizarre suggestions I've ever heard. I'm not sure many understand the varieties of skill-sets required to cover the board members responsibilities. And we now have Brad Green in place to cover the footy experience and knowledge portfolio. Brown would have been a fish out of water and lasted one term. Best not.

Happy to see Brown in a support role with the forwards perhaps as a part-time assistant. He would be a great asset.

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

25 minutes ago, maximum bob said:

Brown was never going to be on the Board of the MFC. One of the more bizarre suggestions I've ever heard. I'm not sure many understand the varieties of skill-sets required to cover the board members responsibilities. And we now have Brad Green in place to cover the footy experience and knowledge portfolio. Brown would have been a fish out of water and lasted one term. Best not.

Happy to see Brown in a support role with the forwards perhaps as a part-time assistant. He would be a great asset.

 

So you're happy with Brad Green on the board, presumably because he's ex-Melbourne, but you find it a 'bizarre suggestion' that MFC would look to recruit a 3x Premiership, 2x All-Australian, 2x Best Captain, 3x Most Courageous, Victorian Captain and Hall Of Famer for a spot?

I'm not sure many understand how AFL clubs are approaching football departments for 2021 yet. There will be plenty of innovation going on in getting people involved, this is one way it can potentially happen.

[maximum bob 462]

For goodness sake. You're either wet behind the ears or simply ignorant.

It's not about "football departments". Do you have any basic understanding of the differences, responsibilities and roles of the AFL club board members versus the quite separate responsibilities of the football department? Your reply clearly demonstrates that you don't.

And yes, I'm happy with Brad on the board and Brown assisting our forwards if that eventuates.

[DeeSpencer 25,715]

20 hours ago, rjay said:

 

I liked the Jackson - Weid combo...a pity Jackson went down as a bit more time could have cemented that pairing without the need to chase Brown.

We played some good footy when those 2 were left as the keys.

As an aside, I wonder how much influence the CEO had in us chasing Brown? He seemed pretty keen on us chasing a key forward.

Just a thought...

Pert has been a player and a CEO, never a coach or football manager as far as I know, so I am concerned when he gets involved in footy his opinions will be framed by his playing experience. And he played when key forwards were vital which is different to how footy is played now. When you add in the misadventures of the Collingwood football department during his time there it doesn't fill me with confidence. 

I guess he has picked Richo and given him the chance to take the reigns now. Demonland opinion has soured on him but he's an experienced football person who did far better than others would've with what he was given at the Saints, let's hope he's making the right calls.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

47 minutes ago, maximum bob said:

For goodness sake. You're either wet behind the ears or simply ignorant.

It's not about "football departments". Do you have any basic understanding of the differences, responsibilities and roles of the AFL club board members versus the quite separate responsibilities of the football department? Your reply clearly demonstrates that you don't.

And yes, I'm happy with Brad on the board and Brown assisting our forwards if that eventuates.

Happy to discuss the point without the need for insults Bob.

Stating you're happy with Brad Green on the board but not Brown shows perhaps we have very different interpretations of what is handy knowledge and experience in such a position. I'm glad Green is there as it means we have an actual football person sitting, but I'd take Brown's premierships, leadership and accolades above Green's any day of the week.

The other part of your post shows you may have not understood mine. If you've paid attention to the offseason moves at various clubs you may have noticed that given the reduction to football departments clubs are already being quite innovative in how they structure for 2021 and beyond. Versatility and multi-faceted roles are going to be the order of the day. This could very well mean having people assist the football department at times even though their role isn't officially in that area.

Edited December 28, 2020 by Lord Nev

[maximum bob 462]

No further discussion required Nev. Enjoy your New Year.

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

2 minutes ago, maximum bob said:

No further discussion required Nev. Enjoy your New Year.

Fair enough mate. You too!

[bluey 1,103]

Hope Brown has experience with heart surgery.

[layzie 33,814]

Surely can only be a good thing. If nothing else just to get a bit more mongrel about him. 

[drysdale demon 4,836]

1 hour ago, bluey said:

Hope Brown has experience with heart surgery.

Bit of garbage from you there.