Charlie Curnow has done his knee again. Straight swap for Tmac?

  On 10/11/2020 at 10:00, demoniac said:

Why? The Pies lured him with a contract offer. Then twice asked him to shift money into future years - second time they had to extend contract out to 2025 expiry to smooth the deferred payments for ongoing cap management purposes - because they'd stuffed their cap by offering Beams 4 years at 600K when they had not planned for that contract, and by generally handing out inflated contracts post 2018 granny.

He is not getting $900,000 to play for each of next 5 seasons because hundreds of thousands of that amount is deferred payments from previous seasons. 

The Pies cap is a cluster of highest order. They need to salary cap dump a  5 year contract that includes deferred payments from previous seasons that make the contract untradeable without Pies paying 1 to 1.5 million over the 5 years for Treloar to play for another club and that'll go in the Pies salary cap each year. In most businesses staff involved would be sacked except Eddie was driving force behind Beam's return so action unlikely.

The thing is, the pies knew this situation would unfold. it's very common for AFL clubs to run very close to the salary cap with the understanding that certain players would fall out along the way. They clearly didn't think AT was one of those based on his contract, so something has changed that's made him an expendable commodity. 

they weren't willing to sign Jordan De Goey to the same deal AT is on right now so i think that would suggest AT has fallen quite a long way down the pecking order. there are ways they could have dealt with their cap situation that didn't include trading Treloar, Phillips, Stephenson and so on. 

I personally believe there are other reasons they're trying to push AT out the door because pushing a bloke out like this who's signed up for 5 more years really shows they don't think they're going to get anything like value for their money from him. if AT is fully fit and happy i'd be retaining him and letting JDG walk, every day of the week. 

  On 10/11/2020 at 10:24, Beetle said:

Charlie Curnow has done his knee again. Straight swap for Tmac?

Serious?

  On 10/11/2020 at 10:33, Win4theAges said:

Serious?

I could count the times I’ve posted something serious on here in 13 years on one hand. 

Edited November 10, 20204 yr by Beetle

  On 10/11/2020 at 10:40, Beetle said:

I could count the times I’ve posted something serious on here in 13 years on one hand.

Playing basketball again?

  On 09/11/2020 at 22:43, Lord Nev said:

Oh boy...

"Instead, it’s more likely Treloar stays at the Pies for one more year, giving his camp and rival clubs time to plan for a move this time next year. It’s not ideal, but it’s the best card in the bad hand that he has been dealt by his own club."

Treloar staring down the barrel of awkward Collingwood return

 

That would be a humiliation for club, coach and player.

I’m wondering whether the fact that we’re hearing rumours about ANB and and AVB being mentioned as trade possibilities that the club has given up the idea of moving Tom McDonald on but still wanting to make more salary cap room available for a further trade?

  On 10/11/2020 at 11:12, Whispering_Jack said:

I’m wondering whether the fact that we’re hearing rumours about ANB and and AVB being mentioned as trade possibilities that the club has given up the idea of moving Tom McDonald on but still wanting to make more salary cap room available for a further trade?

Hope so.

  On 10/11/2020 at 10:24, Beetle said:

Charlie Curnow has done his knee again. Straight swap for Tmac?

Yep! Not the swap, the injury.

Curnow suffered a fractured kneecap while completing his rehabilitation on the same knee that has haunted him for more than two seasons.

He will undergo surgery on Wednesday. 

While the club was unable to put a timeframe on his return on Tuesday night, they suggested last year an injury of a similar nature would take at least 3-4 months to recover. 

Edited November 10, 20204 yr by Redleg

  On 10/11/2020 at 01:31, dazzledavey36 said:

Interesting that its saying we are keen to add more midfield talent...

The clubs being pro active in anticipation of Oliver leaving next year.

  On 10/11/2020 at 11:46, trout said:

The clubs being pro active in anticipation of Oliver leaving next year.

Lol! obviously, based on all the midfielders we've bought in. 

Still wondering about that left wing. 

  On 10/11/2020 at 11:52, Redleg said:

Still wondering about that left wing. 

I was wondering about the left wing as well but it now looks like they’re going to win the electoral college despite Trump’s legal challenges.

Brown deal to be done tomorrow.

I would not be surprised to see TMac move in a give away last minute deal. 

AvdB is a possibility to move and there is movement for a further pick swap to move into the first round.

A couple of days to go and still a bit to play for.

If we can make  the move into the first round a well as the  player trades we have made then I think we will have executed our strategies exactly as we wanted. 

  On 10/11/2020 at 12:02, CHF said:

Brown deal to be done tomorrow.

I would not be surprised to see TMac move in a give away last minute deal. 

AvdB is a possibility to move and there is movement for a further pick swap to move into the first round.

A couple of days to go and still a bit to play for.

If we can make  the move into the first round a well as the  player trades we have made then I think we will have executed our strategies exactly as we wanted. 

Where's Vanders potentially heading?

  On 10/11/2020 at 12:08, dazzledavey36 said:

Where's Vanders potentially heading?

I heard the Swans are nibbling again. 

Chances of it happening as far as I am concerned and in a basis of what I heard are around 1 in 4.

One further comment I heard was that MFC are in this as a long game. What they are doing this off season will be part of a much longer term strategy that is in place for the next few seasons.

I note the positive, supporting comments made on the exits of both Preuss and Hannan as a marker to other players in the comp as to the respect the club has for the players. (This is my comment, not something that ha been passed on to me)

  On 10/11/2020 at 12:13, CHF said:

I heard the Swans are nibbling again. 

Chances of it happening as far as I am concerned and in a basis of what I heard are around 1 in 4.

Do you think we'll bring anyone else besides Brown?

  On 10/11/2020 at 12:13, CHF said:

I heard the Swans are nibbling again. 

Chances of it happening as far as I am concerned and in a basis of what I heard are around 1 in 4.

There were reports swans had cap issues aa well. Wonder if that is holding up a lot of deals and the reason why there isn't much movement.

I think i heard Hewitt (im not 100% sure), has been offered around by the swans.

Apparently every single one of the top 12 teams is concerned about Salary cap this off season. 

  On 10/11/2020 at 12:20, dazzledavey36 said:

Do you think we'll bring anyone else besides Brown?

Still hearing that we have not given up hope on Tom Phillips. Less than 50/50 in my book.

  On 10/11/2020 at 10:31, Patches O’houlihan said:

The thing is, the pies knew this situation would unfold. it's very common for AFL clubs to run very close to the salary cap with the understanding that certain players would fall out along the way. They clearly didn't think AT was one of those based on his contract, so something has changed that's made him an expendable commodity. 

they weren't willing to sign Jordan De Goey to the same deal AT is on right now so i think that would suggest AT has fallen quite a long way down the pecking order. there are ways they could have dealt with their cap situation that didn't include trading Treloar, Phillips, Stephenson and so on. 

I personally believe there are other reasons they're trying to push AT out the door because pushing a bloke out like this who's signed up for 5 more years really shows they don't think they're going to get anything like value for their money from him. if AT is fully fit and happy i'd be retaining him and letting JDG walk, every day of the week. 

Reports that his medical at the dogs today didn't go great

 

  On 10/11/2020 at 12:22, Unleash Hell said:

There were reports swans had cap issues aa well. Wonder if that is holding up a lot of deals and the reason why there isn't much movement.

the exact same article that raised vanders and nibbler also name dropped Dunstan, Hewitt, Constable, Blakely and Brodie stating that the shorter quarters and smaller list sizes meant clubs were able to carry less midfielders especially slower inside types that couldn't keep up with the quicker pace due to less tired legs in game. also stated swans had a cap and list cram, i guess due to their rebuild they have so many 1-3 year players that are unproven and a fair few will start to drop off next year when they dont make the grade, v interesting where their cap squeeze comes from aside from buddy tho?

  On 10/11/2020 at 12:23, Unleash Hell said:

I think i heard Hewitt (im not 100% sure), has been offered around by the swans.

If Vanders wants to go to Sydney, Hewett is a fair swap. But I’m for keeping Vdhberger.  A good man for the trenches.