On 24/10/2020 at 06:20, adonski said:

As per Tom Browne, Dunkley will request a trade to Essendon. Makes things interesting. 

With the NGA a good chance to go pick 1 any pick the dogs get if they trade Dunkley will get eaten up by that. 

They are no chance to get Finlay McRae unless they do a live trade on the night 

Edited October 24, 20204 yr by Pulp Fritschon

  On 24/10/2020 at 06:16, A F said:

This is why I think, if possible, we should try and bring him in. Keep spreading the profile of our elite mids and with Taylor behind our recruiting, I'd love to give him another first rounder to use on a mid.

Who knows what next year brings. I'd be trading next year's first rounder to get in this year if we think we can land the player we want.

But a draftee in a compromised draft? I'd trade out of next year for a ready-made player - and I'm just going on what is said to be a bumper crop - but would prefer to hold onto our chips. We already have a youngish midfield squeeze, with a number of untested players. In my opinion either we can wait a year for some more midfield talent from the draft, or have the cookies to strike if the likes of say Merrett were to come up on the table again. Love the idea that the club loves Finlay and want to bring him in, but I have to keep reminding myself that he's not Jackson; rather he's an unknown AFL quantity. Pick 12 would just about buy Jackson Macrae. 

  On 24/10/2020 at 06:40, Skuit said:

But a draftee in a compromised draft? I'd trade out of next year for a ready-made player - and I'm just going on what is said to be a bumper crop - but would prefer to hold onto our chips. We already have a youngish midfield squeeze, with a number of untested players. In my opinion either we can wait a year for some more midfield talent from the draft, or have the cookies to strike if the likes of say Merrett were to come up on the table again. Love the idea that the club loves Finlay and want to bring him in, but I have to keep reminding myself that he's not Jackson; rather he's an unknown AFL quantity. Pick 12 would just about buy Jackson Macrae. 

2x pick 12's might, but one alone certainly would not I can assure you!

  On 24/10/2020 at 06:29, Pollyanna said:

Some incredible handball highlights in that package.  Good kick on both sides and great agility. 184cm is not small.

Really? I thought it a slight weakness. Good awareness but poor execution. We all see things differently at times though

  On 24/10/2020 at 06:40, Skuit said:

But a draftee in a compromised draft? I'd trade out of next year for a ready-made player - and I'm just going on what is said to be a bumper crop - but would prefer to hold onto our chips. We already have a youngish midfield squeeze, with a number of untested players. In my opinion either we can wait a year for some more midfield talent from the draft, or have the cookies to strike if the likes of say Merrett were to come up on the table again. Love the idea that the club loves Finlay and want to bring him in, but I have to keep reminding myself that he's not Jackson; rather he's an unknown AFL quantity. Pick 12 would just about buy Jackson Macrae. 

If we rate a player high enough it doesn't really matter that it's compromised, providing we think we can land them at our pick.

Let's say for argument's sake that Taylor rated Macrae's talent on par with an 18 year old Clayton Oliver, you'd do whatever you could to get your hands on him.

I would anyway.

  On 24/10/2020 at 06:57, A F said:

If we rate a player high enough it doesn't really matter that it's compromised, providing we think we can land them at our pick.

Let's say for argument's sake that Taylor rated Macrae's talent on par with an 18 year old Clayton Oliver, you'd do whatever you could to get your hands on him.

I would anyway.

Yes indeed. But there's current needs (e.g. no one would really want us to trade for Wines anymore) and part of the response is also forming my opinion based on the available draft footage (which I will openly admit I get wrong just as much or more than I get right). Macrae seems a very balanced player but do you see anything in that footage that screams MFC must-have? 

  On 24/10/2020 at 08:27, Skuit said:

Yes indeed. But there's current needs (e.g. no one would really want us to trade for Wines anymore) and part of the response is also forming my opinion based on the available draft footage (which I will openly admit I get wrong just as much or more than I get right). Macrae seems a very balanced player but do you see anything in that footage that screams MFC must-have? 

His kicking stands out for me, but it doesn't really matter what we think. If Taylor wants him, I'll trust him. He's got a very good eye for talent.

  On 30/09/2020 at 00:07, xman97 said:

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Also, if they trade out of this years 1st round for a 1st rounder next year, they’ll almost definately fall into points defecit next year and their 1st pick will fall several spots, so I’m not sure if they’ll be keen.

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@xman97can you or anyone else confirm this? I would assume that their points deficit hits a pick they hold at the end of the 2021 season, not any pick that may be linked to them.

Otherwise clubs would do this all the time: trade out picks, then bid and burn their trading partners.

I can understand that it would apply to any picks they still hold at the end of the 2021 season, because then they can trade them and both parties know the value. 

Have we got him yet?

  On 24/10/2020 at 08:27, Skuit said:

Yes indeed. But there's current needs (e.g. no one would really want us to trade for Wines anymore) and part of the response is also forming my opinion based on the available draft footage (which I will openly admit I get wrong just as much or more than I get right). Macrae seems a very balanced player but do you see anything in that footage that screams MFC must-have? 

The ability to hit targets and play with composure. His game would be a nice complement to the midfield mix rather than the adding to the surplus of inside bulls we currently have. Looks like his footy awareness is quite good to (have seen him live in his bottom age year).

I like how he is capable on his left foot and isn't reluctant to use it.

  On 24/10/2020 at 06:40, Skuit said:

But a draftee in a compromised draft? I'd trade out of next year for a ready-made player - and I'm just going on what is said to be a bumper crop - but would prefer to hold onto our chips. We already have a youngish midfield squeeze, with a number of untested players. In my opinion either we can wait a year for some more midfield talent from the draft, or have the cookies to strike if the likes of say Merrett were to come up on the table again. Love the idea that the club loves Finlay and want to bring him in, but I have to keep reminding myself that he's not Jackson; rather he's an unknown AFL quantity. Pick 12 would just about buy Jackson Macrae. 

Is Fin any more unknown than Say Jacko Riv or kossie Or indeed Clarry was before the draft?
interesting to see how we conjure the way to get into the first round indeed the top 9/12!!!

I know highlights are just that, but I will say his highlights are up there with the best I’ve seen. A few long handballs that nailed targets, seemed composed in traffic and overall good use of the ball. ??
 

Looked a little off to me at first but then I realised it was his running style, he looks like he runs with his head forward a little and hunched shoulders. ?

Certainly appears to have one skill that we badly lack. Passing to the advantage of his team mates. By hand and foot.

  On 27/10/2020 at 11:52, deanox said:

@xman97can you or anyone else confirm this? I would assume that their points deficit hits a pick they hold at the end of the 2021 season, not any pick that may be linked to them.

Otherwise clubs would do this all the time: trade out picks, then bid and burn their trading partners.

I can understand that it would apply to any picks they still hold at the end of the 2021 season, because then they can trade them and both parties know the value. 

I think @xman97 means is what happened to Freo this year:  *Fremantle's first pick was adjusted due to a 264.9 deficit from 2019  indicative-draft-order

Their natural pick should be #7 but has slipped to #10. 

It is a loophole as a club can trade out its future 1st round pick eg for a top player in the draft and use 'rubbish picks for their academy/FS and go into deficit where the points come out of next years first 'natural' pick.  GWS and Port last year traded out their 2020 first rnd pick so the deficit comes out of the 2020 2nd round pick, as follow (from the article) :

'*Greater Western Sydney's second pick was adjusted due to a 254.2 deficit from 2019.
*Port Adelaide's second pick was adjusted due to a 115.9 deficit from 2019.

The loophole should be closed to stop clubs trading out their top picks then using rubbish picks for academy/FS whether or not they go into deficit.  North did it a few years ago.  Guarantee the dogs will do it this year for a kid who will probably go #1.

Edited October 27, 20204 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Aussie Rules Draft Central on Finlay Macrae

  On 11/11/2020 at 19:25, Whispering_Jack said:

Aussie Rules Draft Central on Finlay Macrae

This kid is a no brainer. Nothing is ever guaranteed in the drafting process, but he has what we lack and could be the perfect partner to Oliver and Petracca.

looks like he'd be the perfect replacement for Melksham on the HFF and push into the midfield at times.

  On 11/11/2020 at 23:39, Demon Dude said:

looks like he'd be the perfect replacement for Melksham on the HFF and push into the midfield at times.

Agree. He’d be a very good pickup if we somehow trade our picks up to the 1st round (ie. The dogs first round). As a first or 2nd year or development, he’d play outside and be used as a delivery type. Then look to move into more traditional ruck rover midfielder who plays outside-in. 

Looks like he goes OK - hopefully one Jason Taylor has in the mix - in Jason we trust