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As long as he have Oscar and Tom McDonald on the list, how could anyone say that they wouldn't have Hogan back?

I'd take him back immediately

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    I always thought Jesse underestimated the stability and support that he got (and needed to get) from his Melbourne teammates, coach and the club.

    if he wants to come back, I’d love the club to welcome him with open arms.

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    16 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    would have him back happily, but i have zero idea how much baggage he comes with

    when my mum told me that he was being 'trialed' as a defender for freo's b team during this hub life i thought that's the most pointless thing i've ever heard of; he's the most 'natural' key forward since hawkins, knows where to run, when to lead, how to position his body...playing a player like him in defence makes zero sense

    it's not as if he's a first year forward and yr teaching him leading patterns etc - he was so good at that from the the get go, and such a great contested mark

    loved watching him for the dees

    I have memories of Roos saying he could be an A grade defender.

    But in saying that he was never exactly known for his defending ability. It’s hard to picture it.

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    3 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

    As long as he have Oscar and Tom McDonald on the list, how could anyone say that they wouldn't have Hogan back?

    I'd take him back immediately

    Imagine him coming in with Weideman finally up and running.

    The dynamic key forward duo we envisioned a few years ago can become reality!

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    Whatever is best for Hogan, even if that means a move still in Perth to replace Kennedy.

    I think we can agree there's little point to fantasizing about Hogan the player if Hogan the human is suffering.

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    If he wasn't named Jesse Hogan, and we were just talking about some bloke from Freo with off field issues, injury problems and who is struggling for a game so badly that he's possibly being switched ends; there's no way this thread is going the way it is so far.

    Big no from me.

     

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    Just now, Lord Nev said:

    If he wasn't named Jesse Hogan, and we were just talking about some bloke from Freo with off field issues, injury problems and who is struggling for a game so badly that he's possibly being switched ends; there's no way this thread is going the way it is so far.

    Big no from me.

     

    That’s all well and good but it ignores what he did prior to going to Freo. This isn’t just about the romanticism attached to it. We know he can play. He’s been at Freo for five minutes in the scheme of things.

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    8 minutes ago, P-man said:

    That’s all well and good but it ignores what he did prior to going to Freo. This isn’t just about the romanticism attached to it. We know he can play. He’s been at Freo for five minutes in the scheme of things.

    Exactly. He’s a 25* year old natural forward who averages 2 goals a game and could/should be entering his prime. 
     

    And he’s our Jesse, a Melbourne son.
    *was 25

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    Just now, P-man said:

    That’s all well and good but it ignores what he did prior to going to Freo. This isn’t just about the romanticism attached to it. We know he can play. He’s been at Freo for five minutes in the scheme of things.

    Been at Freo for 2 seasons in peak AFL age. Gone downhill the whole time.

    Not doubting his talent, but he got what he apparently wanted and has gone backwards ever since.

    Of course it's about the romanticism. Haven't seen anyone pining for any other forwards that can't get a game.

    Players careers aren't always linear and consistent, ask Tom McDonald.

     

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    Just now, PaulRB said:

    Exactly. He’s a 24 year old natural forward who averages 2 goals a game and could/should be entering his prime. 
     

    And he’s our Jesse, a Melbourne son 

    25. Averaged 0 goals this year.

    Being a former Melbourne player is irrelevant.

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    Just now, Lord Nev said:

    25. Averaged 0 goals this year.

    Being a former Melbourne player is irrelevant.

    Bah humbug Nev, Bah humbug.

     

    #bringbackjesse

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    2 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

    Exactly. He’s a 24 year old natural forward who averages 2 goals a game and could/should be entering his prime. 
     

    And he’s our Jesse, a Melbourne son 

    25 actually and turns 26 in February.

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    5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Been at Freo for 2 seasons in peak AFL age. Gone downhill the whole time.

    Not doubting his talent, but he got what he apparently wanted and has gone backwards ever since.

    Of course it's about the romanticism. Haven't seen anyone pining for any other forwards that can't get a game.

    Players careers aren't always linear and consistent, ask Tom McDonald.

     

    I don’t see much “pining”. It’s about an openness to the idea.

    It’s actually not just about the romanticism and it’s fairly arrogant to dismiss it as such.

    Also, it’s just wrong to think that him being a Melbourne player is irrelevant. It’s relevant on several fronts. Especially with the player in question.

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    Initial reaction is no. I don’t think he is cut out for AFL life, especially in the melb bubble. 

    so talented but I was him I’d concentrate on getting my head right

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    15 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    If he wasn't named Jesse Hogan, and we were just talking about some bloke from Freo with off field issues, injury problems and who is struggling for a game so badly that he's possibly being switched ends; there's no way this thread is going the way it is so far.

    Big no from me.

    There’s little doubt there’s the element of romanticism in Melbourne fans having him back. The bare bone stats, issues, and health question marks would leave most to say no. 

    But in his first year with Freo he was injured the whole time, this year he started injured again and now I think he’s probably struggling with more mental demons. 

    Talent is there, the question is whether it’ll ever emerge again. 

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    7 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    If he wasn't named Jesse Hogan, and we were just talking about some bloke from Freo with off field issues, injury problems and who is struggling for a game so badly that he's possibly being switched ends; there's no way this thread is going the way it is so far.

    Big no from me.

     

    You're right, except we ARE talking about Jesse Hogan - the kid who won Casey's B&F at 18yo, who won the AFL Rising Star, who kicked 4 goals on Rance in a game in 2016, etc We got a fair trade for him, and i don't know where he'd fit in now, but I'd love him back in r&b if the proce was right.

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    5 minutes ago, P-man said:

    I don’t see much “pining”. It’s about an openness to the idea.

    It’s actually not just about the romanticism and it’s fairly arrogant to dismiss it as such.

    Also, it’s just wrong to think that him being a Melbourne player is irrelevant. It’s relevant on several fronts. Especially with the player in question.

    Ok, maybe it's no irrelevant then given we decided to trade him off. That should tell you something.

    Haven't seen any other threads dedicated to an opposition player who can't get a game.

    Make up your mind mate, it's it "not just about the romanticism" or is it "relevant on several fronts" that he's a former Demon?

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    26 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    If he wasn't named Jesse Hogan, and we were just talking about some bloke from Freo with off field issues, injury problems and who is struggling for a game so badly that he's possibly being switched ends; there's no way this thread is going the way it is so far.

    Big no from me.

     

    If he wasn't named Harley Bennell, and we were just talking about some bloke from Freo with off field issues, injury problems and who is struggling for a game so badly that he's possibly being switched ends; there's no way this thread is going the way it is so far.

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    7 minutes ago, Pates said:

    There’s little doubt there’s the element of romanticism in Melbourne fans having him back. The bare bone stats, issues, and health question marks would leave most to say no. 

    But in his first year with Freo he was injured the whole time, this year he started injured again and now I think he’s probably struggling with more mental demons. 

    Talent is there, the question is whether it’ll ever emerge again. 

     

    1 minute ago, Big Col said:

    You're right, except we ARE talking about Jesse Hogan - the kid who won Casey's B&F at 18yo, who won the AFL Rising Star, who kicked 4 goals on Rance in a game in 2016, etc We got a fair trade for him, and i don't know where he'd fit in now, but I'd love him back in r&b if the proce was right.

    Absolutely has a ton of talent and did some good things with us. No argument there whatsoever.

    Situations aren't static though.

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