Are the coaches asking too much of Lord Nev and setting him up to fail with the matchup tasks they set for him?

Granted i don't believe anyone thought Rankine would be quite as electric as he was but he absolutely torched him for pace.

And previous game he played r2 vs Carlton he was expected to clean up the coaches mess and play on MacKay who has him covered twice over for height......WTF!

 

We all love Nev and his ability to cover tall & small has been outstanding over the years but surely he has also earns the right to be appropriately matched up each week. the art of coaching is surely largely about getting the best out of your players and having Jetta play roles like this to cover for the coaching groups one dimensional game style is having a negative effect on his career.

 

He has to play on someone, and he is one of our most experienced, so if he isnt up to the job of taking the best small(ish) backman he shouldnt get selected.

Nev is on the downward part of his career now unfortunately. It happens to everyone, even legends like Nev.

It will be a very sad day when he retires.

 

 

Wish i had a daughter old enough to marry him.... ❤️

totally agree he is on the downward spiral but surely that should mean the next in line is looking to step up and take the red hot small opposition player allowing jetta to then destroy 2nd/3rd best or play as a spare chopping off contests like he has done so many times in the past years.

dont worry about not having him as a son in law just think we're only 8-10 years away from recruiting his kids under father son rule!

 

He doesn't have the fitness or attacking game to play as a half back. So he'll always be deep. If they play more of a zoning system at times he'll end up covering a tall outside 50 whilst the bigger boys drop back. A lot of fuss about Jetta holding up McKay 50m from goal a couple of times.... Otherwise if they play man on man he'll have to line up on smalls who have him for pace.

Look around the comp and the small lock down defenders are going out of fashion. Essendon called time on Baguley. The Saints are using Geary forward at times. Nick Smith's time ended at the Swans. 

The Hawks back pockets are Stratton and Frost - quick guys with the speed to play small and the height to switch opponents and take intercept marks.

Geelong have an entire backline 186cm+ with Bews, Mark O'Connor, Henry etc as the deeper mid sized guys.

I hope I"m wrong and Nev can bounce back but we can't just hide him on lesser opponents. 

Everyone has a dip in form at some stage.  Right now, that's what is in front of Nev.  He has been terrific for us for so long, but right now he just seems a step or two behind his normal output for us.

I can understand why some want to right him off, especially at his age, but I'll back him in to bounce back in the coming weeks.  I still think he has a role to play for us, at least for this season and into the next.

28 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Everyone has a dip in form at some stage.  Right now, that's what is in front of Nev.  He has been terrific for us for so long, but right now he just seems a step or two behind his normal output for us.

I can understand why some want to right him off, especially at his age, but I'll back him in to bounce back in the coming weeks.  I still think he has a role to play for us, at least for this season and into the next.

Hope you are right, but I think you might be wrong. At least Nev will feel young next week, the Hawks have 7 players in the likely side who are 31 or older.

Didn't Lockhart play on Rankine for his first 2 goals? The 3rd one was on Nev but it was also a horrendous tap.

Definitely not in peak form, but maybe a bit harsh judging it on someone he wasn't even playing on most of the time.

Now that we've got a more solid mix of tall backs I'm backing Nev in to find some decent form again very soon.

Nev is coming to the end of a great career. 
Hope he can play deep in defence for this year and maybe next year (Big if)

The Young kids just run off him now

5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Didn't Lockhart play on Rankine for his first 2 goals? The 3rd one was on Nev but it was also a horrendous tap.

Definitely not in peak form, but maybe a bit harsh judging it on someone he wasn't even playing on most of the time.

Now that we've got a more solid mix of tall backs I'm backing Nev in to find some decent form again very soon.

Lockhart was doing a shut down role on Ainsworth for the night.

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by dazzledavey36

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Lockhart was doing a shut down role on Ainsworth for the night.

Watching this, it definitely looks like Lockhart has him in the first contest, Nev has someone else in the second, then Nev gets beaten by Rankine in the third.

Rankine Highlights

 

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Didn't Lockhart play on Rankine for his first 2 goals? The 3rd one was on Nev but it was also a horrendous tap.

Definitely not in peak form, but maybe a bit harsh judging it on someone he wasn't even playing on most of the time.

Now that we've got a more solid mix of tall backs I'm backing Nev in to find some decent form again very soon.

I don't particularly think Rankine making Jetta look bad is a huge part of the problem, the kid is freakish, but it's Nev's lack of impact in general that has me worried.

In 3 games he's had 2 tackles - one of the great tackles our club has had in years and he can't get near guys. He's had 4 marks and is averaging 7 touches - even allowing for shorter quarters that's a big drop off. He doesn't look like providing any thing with the ball and he doesn't look nearly as composed when marking.

Something very odd happened in that Gold Coast game with both Jetta and Lockhart both barely touching it, whilst McPherson didn't get near it for the Suns and Sexton, Ainsworth and Holman didn't get much ball either, nor did the Suns big guys. So maybe just an odd occurrence from a statistical point of view. But the stats really are just highlighting what the eyes are seeing which is a guy who seems to have lost a step and isn't as sure of his capabilities.

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by DeeSpencer

He's not in great form right now but it is all far from the first time he's been at a crossroads.  It's wait and see for me, and definitely no career eulogy required just yet.

2 of rankines goals were a touch lucky.... blind snap and soccer goal. Don’t get me wrong he oozes danger in forward stoppages but he exposed our lack of homework (which was hard given it was his first game) - let’s see what he does in the next few games with the extra attention he’ll be getting now.

11 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Didn't Lockhart play on Rankine for his first 2 goals? The 3rd one was on Nev but it was also a horrendous tap.

Definitely not in peak form, but maybe a bit harsh judging it on someone he wasn't even playing on most of the time.

Now that we've got a more solid mix of tall backs I'm backing Nev in to find some decent form again very soon.

Don’t worry about Nev. Form doesn’t matter. Given the bloke that he is, he MUST be a coach favourite so will get a game next week! ?

Don’t think we can have both Jetta & Lockhart in the same team, both small lockdown defenders who don’t get the ball much.

Its up to the coaches now to go with one or the other

 

10 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I don't particularly think Rankine making Jetta look bad is a huge part of the problem, the kid is freakish, but it's Nev's lack of impact in general that has me worried.

In 3 games he's had 2 tackles - one of the great tackles our club has had in years and he can't get near guys. He's had 4 marks and is averaging 7 touches - even allowing for shorter quarters that's a big drop off. He doesn't look like providing any thing with the ball and he doesn't look nearly as composed when marking.

Something very odd happened in that Gold Coast game with both Jetta and Lockhart both barely touching it, whilst McPherson didn't get near it for the Suns and Sexton, Ainsworth and Holman didn't get much ball either, nor did the Suns big guys. So maybe just an odd occurrence from a statistical point of view. But the stats really are just highlighting what the eyes are seeing which is a guy who seems to have lost a step and isn't as sure of his capabilities.

Yep, as mentioned, he's definitely not in great form, I was more pointing out that basing the criticism on the performance of a player he wasn't on most of the night is a bit unfair.

 

12 hours ago, Redleg said:

Hope you are right, but I think you might be wrong. At least Nev will feel young next week, the Hawks have 7 players in the likely side who are 31 or older.

That's the thing, I think both Nev and Jones have rolls to pay this season and next, we are already a young side so we need some balance 

You cannot blame Nev for either of the first two goals,   and his third. well.......   he is going to be a reasonable player.....