TEAMS: Rd 06 vs Gold Coast

[DubDee 24,392]

8 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

According to the age:

"The unrestricted free agent has been signed by the Demons on a five-year deal worth $500,000 a year."

 

Frakking Christ

 

These days that’s not far off average/median wages. 

[John Demonic 5,505]

15 minutes ago, DubDee said:

These days that’s not far off average/median wages. 

But wouldn't 3 years also be the median contract length. Tying up 2.5 mil over 5 years for a player that is currently (as of this week) depth doesn't seem wise.

Edited July 9, 2020 by John Demonic

[John Demonic 5,505]

9 minutes ago, DubDee said:

These days that’s not far off average/median wages. 

365k a year according to fox footy. That's a bit far off. 

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,379]

11 minutes ago, DubDee said:

These days that’s not far off average/median wages. 

Yep- 500k is very little for a mature free agent.  He’s out of form; when in form, he’s best 22.

Hill was not a free agent; he’d have cost a fortune in cash and picks.  

[Coq au vin 755]

The umpiring at the game tonight is appalling. Massively biased to Geelong.

[JTR 2,842]

17 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Like your work usually binman but you lost Me at O Mac being our 2nd best kick in the team

he is solid reliable kick but better than Petracca you reckon?

Just FYI....  for career kicking efficiency

Petracca - 57.7

OMac - 74.4

https://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I298210,CD_I992472&comparisonTab=h2h

 

[WERRIDEE 5,348]

It's a better team. I like the inclusions of Jetta, Weid and Bennell not a fan of O.Mac prefer Brown. Lever and Melksham have to count themselves lucky. Tomlinson is a dud we never should have recruited, Hunt has lost it try him  down back again, Rivers needs time and so does Smith.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,705]

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

How well am I going:

Backed in Smith - he gets dropped.

Backed in Rivers - he gets dropped.

If anyone wants someone dropped just let me know and i'll be all over it for you.

On the other hand, really good to see Bennell and Weideman in the side, and I think Nev will bring in some experience as well.  Bit meh on Oscar but I'll be hoping he does well.

I just couldn't imagine Smith getting a game after last week. He was murdered by Riewoldt (not his fault as Riewoldt is a class above and he should never have been put on him to begin with), made crucial turnovers and was beaten in the contest often. He's just not a footballer for mine, not yet anyway. Id rather see him play forward where at least he can use his leap and speed to get to the footy to create an option but I guess that might come later in the year.

Good selections, I would have like to see Jones come in for Vandenberg as well but I guess 4 changes is a lot. With these selections Goodwin has flagged a return to a more traditional structure and has indicated that his "small ball" has been abandoned. Let's see how it plays out

Interested to see who gets the other wing with Tomlinson out - I would like Salem there but it will probably be Brayshaw.

[Lord Travis 10,468]

Happy with Smith out. He was horrible as a back men. His game against Carlton was probably the worst I can remember from a Melbourne player. 

He either needs to make it as a forward now or he’s an easy delist option with us having to reduce list size due to corona fallout.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

11 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

It's a better team. I like the inclusions of Jetta, Weid and Bennell not a fan of O.Mac prefer Brown. Lever and Melksham have to count themselves lucky. Tomlinson is a dud we never should have recruited, Hunt has lost it try him  down back again, Rivers needs time and so does Smith.

Wouldn't give up on Tomlinson just yet.  

[Dr. Gonzo 23,705]

3 hours ago, Demon17 said:

What does this mean????  I've never seen the movie

 

3 hours ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Nor have i but i believe he is swinging an axe

Go and watch the movie (The Shining), an absolute classic. Jack Nicholson is brilliant.

[DemonOX 8,699]

Well we have seen some changes in team selection now let’s hope the coach can change his game plan to suit the players selected. 

[Dr. Gonzo 23,705]

3 hours ago, Tom Dyson said:

Tomlinson quite stiff to miss but he hasn't been anywhere near where I think we expected him to be. 

Could O'mac coming in possibly mean my prediction/desire to see Steven May in the forward line come true?

No, we will need May to play on King OMac will not have the speed to go with him

[Dr. Gonzo 23,705]

2 hours ago, binman said:

But jeez it is tough on Smith. Worries me that they would go with a particular approach and then abandon it after only two games, particularly given he was ok against the tigers (he did a good job on Riewoldt).

And Tomlinson was poor but i would have given him one more chance and dropped Melksham in a heart beat

 

Sometimes I think I'm watching a different game to other people - Smith was terrible against the Tigers, just rubbish. He was not the reason we lost by any means but he didn't help. His positioning was terrible, his judgement was terrible (when to go for the spoil, when to not even attempt one), his turnovers killed us. I would have been absolutely shocked if he was not dropped.

I get the angst with Melksham, he was rubbish last week as well and not much better against the Cats. But at least Melksham has runs on the board and he is one of the few players we know is capable of kicking 4 goals. He is on thin ice but I get why he has been given another chance.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,705]

2 hours ago, Mickey said:

I'm hoping Oscar in means they've given up on Lever playing on a key forward. Let him be the third tall and float/intercept

Glad Bennell and Weid are back. If Weid isn't up to it, at least we'll know, but hopefully he gets some confidence and snags a few

Lever has been the 3rd tall. Smith was on Riewoldt last week and May on Lynch.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,705]

2 hours ago, Pates said:

I agree that it's a touch ironic they choose to drop him after he actually probably plays his best defensive game. I feel it's a bit like how they dropped Oscar after he actually played well vs WC. I wouldn't go so far to say I'm a fan of OMac (certainly not your level!) but I think as a second tall defender he actually stacks up quite well. Those being critical of him last year need to remember he was playing as our NUMBER ONE tall defender with Frost taking the second key forward. He's not built for that but he is the right size and ability for the secondary position and I really think our structure works better with him in.

As for Where Smith goes, I really do see him as a forward. He plays like a forward, he leaps like a forward (very much reminds me of Robbo and Smith Snr), if Melksham continues his poor form I'd like to see a Smith shift forward and give him a crack at it.

Can he kick like a forward? That's my only question, if he can great, if he can't we're wasting time playing him there.

[binman 41,963]

24 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Happy with Smith out. He was horrible as a back men. His game against Carlton was probably the worst I can remember from a Melbourne player. 

 

I assume started barracking for us this year?

[Dr. Gonzo 23,705]

9 minutes ago, binman said:

I assume started barracking for us this year?

He obviously erased the career of Alastair Nicholson from his memory

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, ProperDee said:

You clearly have little onfield football knowledge if you don’t understand the value of impact players.  Further, a committee selects the team of which the coach has a single vote. “Coach’s favourites”?  What did he do to become a favourite? Give the coach his four ‘n twenty on pie night? It’s not Lang Lang 2’s.

"Impact players"? What does that even mean? Because he tackles hard? Who cares.

Averaging 10 disposals, 0 goals and 3 tackles. That's what you call 'impact'?

Haha a committee hey? You honestly think Goodwin has ever been out voted on selection? Laughable. The point was, you treat them all the same, they all have to earn their spot and perform to keep it. It shouldn't be one rule for vandenBerg and another one for everyone else.

[binman 41,963]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

He obviously erased the career of Alastair Nicholson from his memory

And David Cordener

[Ham 741]

22 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Sometimes I think I'm watching a different game to other people - Smith was terrible against the Tigers, just rubbish. He was not the reason we lost by any means but he didn't help. His positioning was terrible, his judgement was terrible (when to go for the spoil, when to not even attempt one), his turnovers killed us. I would have been absolutely shocked if he was not dropped.

Yep, you're definitely watching a different game to me. 

[DubDee 24,392]

53 minutes ago, JTR said:

Just FYI....  for career kicking efficiency

Petracca - 57.7

OMac - 74.4

https://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I298210,CD_I992472&comparisonTab=h2h

 

And if Petracca was chipping it around the back line I’m sure his % would be higher. It’s a little different at stoppages. 

[Jaded No More 67,644]

2 hours ago, JTR said:

Playing both Bennell & AVB is a little risky imo, considering they are managing their games time.

AVB has only averaged around 65%, and in only game Bennell has played it was 50%.

That was one of the big positives for Tomlinson - once he's out on the park he hardly comes off.

It might mean Gus has to play more game time which I’m happy with. And I think there’s a golden opportunity to rest AVB forward. 

[binman 41,963]

27 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Sometimes I think I'm watching a different game to other people - Smith was terrible against the Tigers, just rubbish. He was not the reason we lost by any means but he didn't help. His positioning was terrible, his judgement was terrible (when to go for the spoil, when to not even attempt one), his turnovers killed us. I would have been absolutely shocked if he was not dropped.

 

Goody seems to agree with you.

You are probably right about his game but he played on one the best forwards in the game for the whole game and kept him to 1 contested mark, 2 marks inside 50 and 1 goal zip. 

As a point of comparison lynch kicked 3.2. Who was on him?

[JTR 2,842]

7 minutes ago, DubDee said:

And if Petracca was chipping it around the back line I’m sure his % would be higher. It’s a little different at stoppages. 

You used Petracca as the comparison... ?

There are a lot of knocks on OMac, but kicking is not one of them. 

Jason Johanissen (if you want a comparison with a defender) was rated as one of the best kicks last season, and he is 72.1 for career kicking efficiency. Still less than OMacs 74.4

Edited July 9, 2020 by JTR