POSTGAME: Rd 05 vs Richmond

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16 minutes ago, The Swimming Dee said:

Terrible post

Thanks sweetie 

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5 minutes ago, Tarax Club said:

This may appear to be a loser's sour grapes and no way excuses the disappointing performance on show this arvo. But the umpiring did appear to favour the victors. Petracca was crucified by the "infamous' no prior opportunity decision. The umpire told the player, there was no prior opportunity, but penalised him for not attempting to dispose of the ball, with no prior opportunity. A contradiction that defies logic. More goals is good for business.

Dustin Martin's arms are pinned to his body and he does not drop the ball to his boot. The ball in broad daylight, moves miraculously by divine intervention to his team mate who commences a scoring chain from half back. The disposal was not actioned according to the rules. Dusty's two handed rugby 'toss' was apparently kosher according to the officiating referee. Everybody's going to Sydney right?

Other overlooked rule breaches included late, prolonged tackles. Mitch Hannan releases a handball to be crash tackled to the turf. Next contest, Tom MacDonald is tackled with ball, turnover free is given. And the Hardwick 'Special', from his playing days under Sheedy. Contact with the opposition needs to be as physically punishing as gameday officials will allow or myopically ignore. Bailey Fritsch on the half-time siren. The lack of a team mate(s) remonstrating with the instigator was not a good look.

Agree.

[nosoupforme 3,085]

21 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

[censored] I know you don't like him. Did you watch the game ? It was Lambert Townsend plays for Essendon and that was Oliver's fault. He's just a stopper what do you think O.Mac is? I hate O.Mac as much as you hate Smith but I would rather him in the side than that spud Lever. Lever is suppose to do something and never does he is a bust. Drop Lever before you drop Smith.

There you go it was Lambert you are right . I miscued. I don't hate him there is not a reason to hate Smith. However he cannot play the game to that level and maybe the FD will finally see the light.  If Petty was fit he would have been the obvious for his position.  

Petty can also play forward,  imo would be a better  key back. time will tell.

You have an opinion  WERRIDEE  and so do I.

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3 minutes ago, nosoupforme said:

There you go it was Lambert you are right . I miscued. I don't hate him there is not a reason to hate Smith. However he cannot play the game to that level and maybe the FD will finally see the light.  If Petty was fit he would have been the obvious for his position.  

Petty can also play forward,  imo would be a better  key back. time will tell.

You have an opinion  WERRIDEE  and so do I.

Petty is another spud.

[ding 5,126]

Based on the available evidence, we have gone backwards from even last years lows.

This is our best possible list on the park. Barely an injury, and as fit a list as any time in the clubs history.

We should be blizing mediocre teams this year. Instead we are just competitive. 

Just when the footy world was looking like taking us seriously, our competition is back to laughing at us DURING the game.

We also dont bother to stick up for each other after being roughed up.

The club is rotting from the inside. Something has to change. Something big. Immediately.

 

 

As the Navy Officer said on Top Gun after the tower flyby.... "I want some Butts!"

Edited July 5, 2020 by ding

[Earl Hood 6,143]

8 minutes ago, Tarax Club said:

This may appear to be a loser's sour grapes and no way excuses the disappointing performance on show this arvo. But the umpiring did appear to favour the victors. Petracca was crucified by the "infamous' no prior opportunity decision. The umpire told the player, there was no prior opportunity, but penalised him for not attempting to dispose of the ball, with no prior opportunity. A contradiction that defies logic. More goals is good for business.

Dustin Martin's arms are pinned to his body and he does not drop the ball to his boot. The ball in broad daylight, moves miraculously by divine intervention to his team mate who commences a scoring chain from half back. The disposal was not actioned according to the rules. Dusty's two handed rugby 'toss' was apparently kosher according to the officiating referee. Everybody's going to Sydney right?

Other overlooked rule breaches included late, prolonged tackles. Mitch Hannan releases a handball to be crash tackled to the turf. Next contest, Tom MacDonald is tackled with ball, turnover free is given. And the Hardwick 'Special', from his playing days under Sheedy. Contact with the opposition needs to be as physically punishing as gameday officials will allow or myopically ignore. Bailey Fritsch on the half-time siren. The lack of a team mate(s) remonstrating with the instigator was not a good look.

Yes there were at least two Dusty miraculous ball releases while being tackled that should have been penalised. Hannan’s was diabolical, then there was the obvious blocking for Lynch marks! Interesting. 

[Hogan2014 390]

Turnovers are direct link to the game plan ... saw the same issues with Neeld though the quality of players are better now ..  injuries aside in 2029 Goodwin has struggled with 6,6,6 and so are the players. If we end up with 4-13 or 5-12 the club needs to make a call on on him aff seek the afl assistance or they will burn another list of players 

[daisycutter 29,892]

2 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Yes there were at least two Dusty miraculous ball releases while being tackled that should have been penalised. Hannan’s was diabolical, then there was the obvious blocking for Lynch marks! Interesting. 

no such thing as a "ball release" this is just garbage verbiage and implies a player can just drop the ball

there is correct or incorrect ball disposal i.e. a handball or a kick

martin on a number of occasions was well tackled and just let the ball drop fwd (deliberately, i.e. not knocked out by tackler) off himself to the favour of his team mate without a blink from the umpire. they have this strange rule in their mind that if the ball stays in play it is a good thing despite incorrect disposal. 

[titan_uranus 25,176]

2 hours ago, dworship said:

I tried to make a habit of not reading/ commenting on this site after a loss (and for that matter a win). But tonight I cannot help myself. I understand the angst and the heartbreak of seeing so many try and fail. But can someone that understands logic please explain to me how any Umpire with half a brain can say " I know he didn't have prior opportunity but he has to make a genuine attempt" What muppet wrote this (if indeed that is what the rule is) and coaches /instructs the Umpires.

Surely, if you don't have prior opportunity you cannot have any kind of attempt genuine or otherwise. I saw this incorrectly payed  as a free multiple times across the round. MFCSS of course dictates that it's payed to the opposition 20m out directly in front, halts all our momentum and the make up one is paid with no chance of it having any influence on the scores.

I'm rapidly getting to the stage that I will not watch any AFL games other than to watch a Melbourne win after the fact.

I often hear it said that you need people who understand football, making decisions/ changes at AFL house. I would just settle for someone that understands logic.

20 minutes ago, Tarax Club said:

This may appear to be a loser's sour grapes and no way excuses the disappointing performance on show this arvo. But the umpiring did appear to favour the victors. Petracca was crucified by the "infamous' no prior opportunity decision. The umpire told the player, there was no prior opportunity, but penalised him for not attempting to dispose of the ball, with no prior opportunity. A contradiction that defies logic. More goals is good for business.

Dustin Martin's arms are pinned to his body and he does not drop the ball to his boot. The ball in broad daylight, moves miraculously by divine intervention to his team mate who commences a scoring chain from half back. The disposal was not actioned according to the rules. Dusty's two handed rugby 'toss' was apparently kosher according to the officiating referee. Everybody's going to Sydney right?

Other overlooked rule breaches included late, prolonged tackles. Mitch Hannan releases a handball to be crash tackled to the turf. Next contest, Tom MacDonald is tackled with ball, turnover free is given. And the Hardwick 'Special', from his playing days under Sheedy. Contact with the opposition needs to be as physically punishing as gameday officials will allow or myopically ignore. Bailey Fritsch on the half-time siren. The lack of a team mate(s) remonstrating with the instigator was not a good look.

The rule is clear: if you've had a prior opportunity to dispose of the ball, and you're tackled, you must dispose of it legally or it's HTB. If you haven't had a prior opportunity to dispose of the ball, and you're tackled, you don't have to dispose of it provided that you make a genuine attempt to.

In Petracca's case, he fell into the latter. The umpire thought he didn't make any genuine attempt to get rid of it. He didn't. It was technically correct. It's just that it rarely gets paid like that these days (which was Clarkson's point last week).

The Martin one is a bigger problem for the league. The league is happier with players who get it, arguably have prior opportunity, but when they're tackled just drop it. That's a "better look" than players holding onto it in congestion, so it doesn't get focus.

1 hour ago, olisik said:

Keeping the squad together should be priority, rather then leaving fellas in recovery to train on there own away from the team.

imagine Sparrow coming into the office “sorry mate, Vineys misso took your spot, see you in 5 weeks’

As with everything you post about, you have no idea what's going on.

You have no idea what's driving those decisions, who's going and who's staying, any of the reasoning at all.

You have no idea what other clubs are doing.

You have no idea what costs, if any, are involved in these decisions.

 

[Hogan2014 390]

Would love to hear what Roos thinks are our issues

[Dr. Gonzo 24,451]

2 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

How much would I need to raise via GoFundMe to pay out Goodwin’s contract ? 

I'm assuming around a mil. He'd be on ~$500k a year wouldn't he?

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9 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

Turnovers are direct link to the game plan ... saw the same issues with Neeld though the quality of players are better now ..  injuries aside in 2029 Goodwin has struggled with 6,6,6 and so are the players. If we end up with 4-13 or 5-12 the club needs to make a call on on him aff seek the afl assistance or they will burn another list of players 

It’s good to hear from the future that the quality are better in 2029!

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2 hours ago, FireInTheBennelly said:

I lost count how many other times a player took possession and was immediately tackled - and made absolutely zero attempt to dispose. But all of a sudden prior opportunity kicked in again.

Umpire #23 Finlay showed absolutely zero feel for the game. A consistent string of logic contradicting decisions such as this.

Melksham’s dive and 50 was silly, but it was no worse than plenty of other time wasting efforts that went unpunished through the rest of the game.

Not sure If was Finlay who also didn’t pay the obvious drop on Martin when tackled or the non-50 when a frustrated Martin gave a shove to a Melbourne player who marked the ball in the clear, or didn’t pay the 50 when Higgins (I think, maybe Baker) did the old “Which player?” theatrics to slow things down when it was clear as day on the mic which the player the ball was meant to go to (no crowd noise excuse).

I thought Melbourne also got a couple of fortunate ones.

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Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

I'm assuming around a mil. He'd be on ~$500k a year wouldn't he?

Probably more. But he might have taken a pay cut with the COVID crisis...

[Tarax Club 4,106]

22 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Yes there were at least two Dusty miraculous ball releases while being tackled that should have been penalised. Hannan’s was diabolical, then there was the obvious blocking for Lynch marks! Interesting. 

Some my say we've been Lynched!

[binman 44,558]

4 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

Would love to hear what Roos thinks are our issues

I hope he would acknowledge our issues are in part due to the players he recruited. For a start the decision to take Salem and Tyson rather than Kelly

[dazzledavey36 55,910]

1 minute ago, binman said:

I hope he would acknowledge our issues are in part due to the players he recruited. For a start the decision to take Salem and Tyson rather than Kelly

We weren't going to take Kelly. We had Billings as our pick had we kept pick 2.

[darkhorse72 1,927]

50 minutes ago, pinkshark said:

Holy [censored] darkhorse!  have you lost your mind?  Bring in some class to guide our coach?  WTF? [censored] me drunk!

Yes, the coach isn't going anywhere in the short term.  The club believes in the plan he's put before them. 

I hear goody talk about culture and a Melbourne way of playing.  If you listen to top coaches around the world that is the right language. The successful teams have their way of playing reinforced by a culture and standards, they execute it well and it becomes sustainable, i.e. Swans, Hawks etc.    

It is not being executed, his lieutenants in this are his assistants.  When he took over he chose who he wanted to be on his team.  Listening to other coaches you want to pick assistants that you trust and support you.  I imagine Hardwick was the same.  They got rid of his and got the bets they could, look what happened (He also changed his coaching style).  

Get rid of those, there is obvious a disconnect from what goody wants and what they are teaching and in preparation to what we see on the field. goody has chosen and get in those that can execute.  If it doesn't work, then his contract is up and he's gone. 

P.S. go recruit someone like Balme to run the footy dept.  You need a footy manager who has coached at the senior level.  

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2 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

If we can win the next 2 we are back in it 3 and 3. Gold Coast without Rowell aren't daunting and Hawthorn aren't anything special. but we have to change everything from game plan to personal I don't think Goodwin is willing to do that because he is a dud coach.

Mate Gold coast and Hawks will cream us.

Watch Ben King towel up Steven May just to rub our faces in it

[binman 44,558]

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

We weren't going to take Kelly. We had Billings as our pick had we kept pick 2.

So roos said.

Illustrates the same problem though as roos would have selected billings, an in and under mid, ahead of a silky, outside player who was an elite kick even then.

And besides, as it turns out, I'd rather we took billings anyway.  

For full disclosure i supported the decision at the time. But that doesn't change the fact it has proven to be the wrong decision. 

Fact is they should have chosen Kelly.

Not because he has proven to be a gun. But because the roos Goodwin game plan built around contested ball has proven to be redundant and they have both failed to bring elite or even above average kicks to the clubs. 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

29 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

Would love to hear what Roos thinks are our issues

He quit the Couch so he wouldn’t have to answer these questions as he could see coming a mile away! 

[Adam The God 30,617]

4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Goodwin banged on that Harley needed to work on his defensive pressure.

Melksham 3 disposal 0 tackled

Hunt 4 disposal 4 disposal 1 tackle..

We are a garbage football club. Something is rotting at the football club. We have the talent on paper, but our coaching is a shambles.

Have to agree. There's such inconsistency with the messaging in the press. I hope internally it's better sorted, but you've got to wonder.

Bennell needs to play. Simple as that. I think our systems are shot and the ones that work aren't being aided by poor decision making/skill execution. 

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4 minutes ago, Darkhorse72 said:

Yes, the coach isn't going anywhere in the short term.  The club believes in the plan he's put before them. 

I hear goody talk about culture and a Melbourne way of playing.  If you listen to top coaches around the world that is the right language. The successful teams have their way of playing reinforced by a culture and standards, they execute it well and it becomes sustainable, i.e. Swans, Hawks etc.    

It is not being executed, his lieutenants in this are his assistants.  When he took over he chose who he wanted to be on his team.  Listening to other coaches you want to pick assistants that you trust and support you.  I imagine Hardwick was the same.  They got rid of his and got the bets they could, look what happened (He also changed his coaching style).  

Get rid of those, there is obvious a disconnect from what goody wants and what they are teaching and in preparation to what we see on the field. goody has chosen and get in those that can execute.  If it doesn't work, then his contract is up and he's gone. 

P.S. go recruit someone like Balme to run the footy dept.  You need a footy manager who has coached at the senior level.  

Fair response.  And you make good points.

But Jesus, the thought of us needing someone to guide our coach just depresses me further about this club.  

When is the clowns contract up by the way?

[dazzledavey36 55,910]

Derm has his say.

https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-2020-melbourne-loss-to-richmond-dermott-brereton-on-fox-footy-the-first-crack/news-story/3b4c413869d50ad8be639aca2bc5f81f?__twitter_impression=true

[Jjrogan 1,448]

1 hour ago, binman said:

You can't coach skill errors? What does that even mean?

What you can do is recruit players who will make skill error for their whole careers. And choose not to recruit barely a single elite kick in 8 years.

And then you can marry that decision with a game plan that, like any game plan, relies on players hitting targets inside 50 (or if bombing it in at least kicking it to a forwards advantage) and not making dozens of ridiculous turnovers every game (because of the decision to recruit players who will make skill error for their whole careers).

And then you can go to post match press conference and wearily answer the same question about connection going inside 40. And promise we will work on it.

Unlike you Saty i don't blame the players. If you don't have the skills, you don't have the skills. You might improve a bit (or like Salem and Oliver you might go backwards) but there is no magic fairy dust that is suddenly going to make a rubbish kick into a good one.

Again, both Roos and Goodwin are to blame for our list and our current problems as their recruiting strategy as been to weighted towards contest ball winners at the expense of skill. 

 

 

This is absolutely spot on. 

Furthermore, after the departure of Hogan, the FD put their eggs in the wrong basket, banking on Weiderman being a KPF and giving up pick 6 (ben king...) to acquire May.  May is top player, but its turned out to be an abject misreading of the list requirements.  

After rolling the dice on SW to then not give him games 18 months down the line is utterly baffling. He is only 23, give him a string of games out of the goal square. If he gets beaten, so be it. But he will drag a tall away from Fritsch and Tmac.