2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

So the Weid is being made to earn his position in the team. 
Excellent. We will now find out if he really wants to get better

Fair enough, is Jackson earning his spot too? Honestly from what I've seen the answer is no.

3 minutes ago, Pates said:

Fair enough, is Jackson earning his spot too? Honestly from what I've seen the answer is no.

Jackson is getting a taste

The Weid is getting up early

5 years. It’s time to find out what he is made of. 

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Jackson is getting a taste

The Weid is getting up early

5 years. It’s time to find out what he is made of. 

How to destroy team culture 101.

'We picked this guy to get a taste'

'But we won't pick this guy because he hasn't earned it'

You of all people, the king of ranting and raving about our culture and history, should understand the damage gifting games does.

Make them all earn it.

14 minutes ago, loges said:

Don't know about the impatient part. he's in his fifth year.

Tall players do take time.   You can't throw them out for that,  unless they aren't doing the right things.  Not all are immediate arrivals.

And we have seen his ability.

 

I would be expecting 3 years for a tall to show anything much, and 5 seasons to become a regular.   Anything before that is a bonus,  or the club has no one ahead of the player,  keeping them out.

Weide's approaching 23,  and has already shown a starring performance in a final.  Its a matter of getting his body fit and strong,  and then stringing games together,  to find form.

Edited June 18, 20205 yr by MyFavouriteMartian

Just now, Lord Nev said:

How to destroy team culture 101.

'We picked this guy to get a taste'

'But we won't pick this guy because he hasn't earned it'

You of all people, the king of ranting and raving about our culture and history, should understand the damage gifting games does.

Make them all earn it.

Gotta pick 22 players each week

The Weid was awful last year, he needs to kick bags of goals over a number of weeks, not just one performance. 
Jackson can play a couple of Senior games with Gawn and then step back if necessary 

Culture is on show tonight. 

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

How to destroy team culture 101.

'We picked this guy to get a taste'

'But we won't pick this guy because he hasn't earned it'

You of all people, the king of ranting and raving about our culture and history, should understand the damage gifting games does.

Make them all earn it.

Exactly, we kept giving kids a taste and games on the back of "he's got great talent" for way too long, if Jackson isn't being picked because he is PLAYING BETTER than Weids then I can't get behind the FD logic.

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

He kicked 5 Last week .. He kicked 3 In an elimination vs Geelong! Jackson was so Raw and yet is still preferred 

Something is seriously AMISS!

 

17 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

So the Weid is being made to earn his position in the team. 
Excellent. We will now find out if he really wants to get better

It's about time Tommy was made to earn his place...Jackson has had one game.

Tom has probably played one good game in 18 months.

Bad form in the first half of 2019 and injured in the second.

Has Goody marked his card?

5 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Bad form in the first half of 2019 and injured in the second.

Has Goody marked his card?

He's Dunn a Roosy?

Edited June 18, 20205 yr by John Demonic

Analyse it all we want, but this year is different. It's not like we have a decent second tier to allow players to "earn a spot". Last weekend's scratch match was 14 a side! Weid can only do what he did in that game, but the FD will be going off training standards and gut feel as much as anything this year.

11 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

It's about time Tommy was made to earn his place...Jackson has had one game.

Tom has probably played one good game in 18 months.

Thankyou rjay

Says more about a culture to me

4 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

Analyse it all we want, but this year is different. It's not like we have a decent second tier to allow players to "earn a spot". Last weekend's scratch match was 14 a side! Weid can only do what he did in that game, but the FD will be going off training standards and gut feel as much as anything this year.

Yep. Weid did well last week but he has to keep doing it, if he wants to be the number one target. 
The offer is waiting for him, because TMac is not a number one target up forward

Unless Tmac can rediscover his 2018 form we are practically rooted up forward. 
Weed meh

Brown meh meh

Fritsch potential but with the other three underperforming he’s always gonna get targeted. 
 

Edited June 18, 20205 yr by McQueen

14 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Unless Tmac can rediscover his 2018 form we are practically rooted up forward. 
Weed meh

Brown meh meh

Fritsch potential but with the other three underperforming he’s always gonna get targeted. 
 

Have suggested this a few times myself.

Disappointed he isn't getting a game. He needs to step up this year but pretty hard to do that watching on the sidelines. It's not like we have an abundance of key fwds, put him in and let him show it. If not he'll be gone but I'd rather he was given the chance first. In also worried about chucking Jackson in too early. It's not like he's out there with a seasoned veteran who can help him hone his craft, TMac has no idea.

29 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Unless Tmac can rediscover his 2018 form we are practically rooted up forward. 
Weed meh

Brown meh meh

Fritsch potential but with the other three underperforming he’s always gonna get targeted. 
 

100% agree with this, without Tom having an impact this year I can't see us being much more than a bottom 6 side. Only way that doesn't happen is if someone else pops up out of nowhere to take Tom's place as key forward.

He’s clearly the new whipping boy

Watts 2017

Frost 2018

Weid 2019. It’s unfortunate because he’s got huge potential. IMO WE NEED TO PLAY HIM FOR THE NEXT 6-7 GAMES TO SAY “HERE IS YOUR CHANCE.
Yet Goodwin may see and entertain a trade opportunity here. 

40 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yep. Weid did well last week but he has to keep doing it, if he wants to be the number one target. 
The offer is waiting for him, because TMac is not a number one target up forward

But Jackson can keep getting games at senior level without performing to 'get a taste'.

Double standards.

1 minute ago, Pates said:

100% agree with this, without Tom having an impact this year I can't see us being much more than a bottom 6 side. Only way that doesn't happen is if someone else pops up out of nowhere to take Tom's place as key forward.

Yes talls are meh and rely on midsized forwards  for goals. Hope tommy mcd stands up

Just now, Lord Nev said:

But Jackson can keep getting games at senior level without performing to 'get a taste'.

Double standards.

1-2 games for Jackson now is not going to harm him either way. 
But the Weid is 5 years into his career and has still not cemented his position, and this is at the same time TMac is struggling. 
Tells me the Weid is not doing as well as he could, OR the club want him to do his thing over a sustained period before he plays Seniors

When has the Weid played 2 good games in a row??

1 hour ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

Hadnt seen it change that low, last time I did check they were saying 2-8mm

aren’t we playing indoors at Marvel? 

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

1-2 games for Jackson now is not going to harm him either way. 
But the Weid is 5 years into his career and has still not cemented his position, and this is at the same time TMac is struggling. 
Tells me the Weid is not doing as well as he could, OR the club want him to do his thing over a sustained period before he plays Seniors

When has the Weid played 2 good games in a row??

Mate, we don't know where the Weid is at (other than 5 goals in a scratch match) because we're gifting games to a kid who isn't ready yet.

Weid has just had his first reasonably uninterrupted preseason, they've given him a clear role, he's done it well (see the preseason game where he rucked) and they're clearly refusing to play him. Not even an emergency this week. As it stands it's looking like another case of the MFC draft obsession.

Why tell Weid he has to have a 'sustained period before he plays' and then turn around and tell Jackson he gets a few for free? That's what Melbourne has done for years when it was a trash club and you want them to do it again.

You tell me, when has Jackson played 2 good games in a row?

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Mate, we don't know where the Weid is at (other than 5 goals in a scratch match) because we're gifting games to a kid who isn't ready yet.

Weid has just had his first reasonably uninterrupted preseason, they've given him a clear role, he's done it well (see the preseason game where he rucked) and they're clearly refusing to play him. Not even an emergency this week. As it stands it's looking like another case of the MFC draft obsession.

Why tell Weid he has to have a 'sustained period before he plays' and then turn around and tell Jackson he gets a few for free? That's what Melbourne has done for years when it was a trash club and you want them to do it again.

You tell me, when has Jackson played 2 good games in a row?

I am puzzled often by the way we do things. 

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

Mate, we don't know where the Weid is at (other than 5 goals in a scratch match) because we're gifting games to a kid who isn't ready yet.

Weid has just had his first reasonably uninterrupted preseason, they've given him a clear role, he's done it well (see the preseason game where he rucked) and they're clearly refusing to play him. Not even an emergency this week. As it stands it's looking like another case of the MFC draft obsession.

Why tell Weid he has to have a 'sustained period before he plays' and then turn around and tell Jackson he gets a few for free? That's what Melbourne has done for years when it was a trash club and you want them to do it again.

You tell me, when has Jackson played 2 good games in a row?

Ask Goodwin why The Weid isn’t getting a game, i have given you my reasons, and that’s all they are. 
You just don’t like what i said

Jackson is in, the Weid kicks with the morning dew

 

10 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

1-2 games for Jackson now is not going to harm him either way. 
But the Weid is 5 years into his career and has still not cemented his position, and this is at the same time TMac is struggling. 
Tells me the Weid is not doing as well as he could, OR the club want him to do his thing over a sustained period before he plays Seniors

When has the Weid played 2 good games in a row??

Weid played well from his games vs WC in 2018 to the Hawks Final. 4 games in a row.