6 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

What a surprise Gary Lyon being negative about Melbourne.  All time [censored]!

How is he being negative? It's a legit question that needs to be asked?

I mean last I checked he works for the media am I wrong?

bt was banging on about this during the coverage

brayshaw can only play one position - inside mid

he was pretty okay yesterday i thought; still doesn't work hard defensively but he's not on his pat malone there

6 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

bt was banging on about this during the coverage

brayshaw can only play one position - inside mid

he was pretty okay yesterday i thought; still doesn't work hard defensively but he's not on his pat malone there

I would say Viney and Oliver have the same limitation.  At least Brayshaw can find space and kicks goals occasionally.  Not enough goals but more than some others.

And has better disposal again not great disposal but better Oliver and Viney. 

There is no obvious reason why Brayshaw spends 30-35% of the game on the bench for all of our 2020 games.

19 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I would say Viney and Oliver have the same limitation.  At least Brayshaw can find space and kicks goals occasionally.  Not enough goals but more than some others.

And has better disposal again not great disposal but better Oliver and Viney. 

There is no obvious reason why Brayshaw spends 30-35% of the game on the bench for all of our 2020 games.

because - unlike oliver and to a lesser extent viney - he only works hard offensively, not defensively

2 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

because - unlike oliver and to a lesser extent viney - he only works hard offensively, not defensively

Biggest front way runner. Oliver is one too

I know nothing of club dynamics but the one between Viney and Brayshaw does not work.  I think Viney gets the majjority of game time and gets to contests other could. Brayshaw is in his shadow.  

4 hours ago, Grimes Times said:

Gus is in the 2nd rotation mids, hence starting on the bench most quarters and with the shorter quarters the first choice are not coming off as much hence his time is down.

Is he.   I think that's good.

Our players who were given games easily a couple of seasons back,  are lazier that they should be.  So why not make them earn the main spots in the midfield,  or anywhere else in the team.!

On 6/18/2020 at 10:14 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Brayshaws 2018 was excellent and he brings a lot to our team. Good mid runner with skills on left and right. I’m not setting the bar as high as 2018. Oliver-Viney-Petracca-Harmes-Langdon-Brayshaw-Sparrow.  That’s my midfield group for this year and beyond. Kill the BRAYSHAW trade talk. 

He showed yesterday,  he's still got it..... and he still wants it,  'sons'.

A little bit if negative critique, sometimes goes a long way.

 

Similarly being dropped to long time players also gives them a rev up.

see Hibbo yesterday.

 

Too much backslapping can do a lot of damage,  especially to young impressionable minds. And I have been guilty of the slapping in the past as well.

see Hogan. Watts. gys,  et al.

 

Young payers have to retain their desperation...hunger.

20 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Biggest front way runner. Oliver is one too

I've seen that written about Oliver a fair bit recently. You know how many players have laid more tackles than Oliver across the last 3 seasons? 

The answer is 2 (Zorko and Steele).

Can we please stop saying Oliver doesn't work hard defensively? If he's a one way runner, so is every other midfielder in the league. 

 

1 minute ago, Accepting Mediocrity said:

I've seen that written about Oliver a fair bit recently. You know how many players have laid more tackles than Oliver across the last 3 seasons? 

The answer is 2 (Zorko and Steele).

Can we please stop saying Oliver doesn't work hard defensively? If he's a one way runner, so is every other midfielder in the league. 

 

Open your eyes. He is a good tackler but is always trying to take shortcuts and refuses to run with his opponents. Stood out with Geelong's chip it around style.

I don't question his want to run and tackle, he had a great passage from the half back to the wing where he got to Blicavs. I question his ability to run and shut down an opponent from being an option, the unrewarded running that isn't acknowledged on a stat sheet. 

14 minutes ago, Accepting Mediocrity said:

I've seen that written about Oliver a fair bit recently. You know how many players have laid more tackles than Oliver across the last 3 seasons? 

The answer is 2 (Zorko and Steele).

Can we please stop saying Oliver doesn't work hard defensively? If he's a one way runner, so is every other midfielder in the league. 

 

Have you seen the way he mans the mark?  Blokes just jog past him as he lazily puts one arm up half-heartedly.  

Compare that to the way Hannan mans the mark and you can see who is switched on.

Defensive mindset is more than just tackling at a stoppage when everyone is right there.

1 hour ago, Half forward flank said:

I know nothing of club dynamics but the one between Viney and Brayshaw does not work.  I think Viney gets the majjority of game time and gets to contests other could. Brayshaw is in his shadow.  

But Brayshaw potentially is more creative.   As comparisons.

The trick is to make both work hard for us

54 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

But Brayshaw potentially is more creative.   As comparisons.

The trick is to make both work hard for us

2018   Brayshaws best, Viney 10 games.

8 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

2018   Brayshaws best, Viney 10 games.

Did you notice the Viney scrimmage yesterday at our half fwd line, where he was bursting through a string of tackles and gaining ground in the wrong direction for 10-20m before it broke out to Cats players all at the back, and they took it up the ground? I let out a big groan for that one. 

He played well, made some kicking errors, fought hard, but the limitations of this messy rugby style of inside contest are becoming more and more evident. 

 

Edited June 29, 20204 yr by John Demonic

14 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Did you notice the Viney scrimmage yesterday at our half fwd line, where he was bursting through a string of tackles and gaining ground in the wrong direction for 10-20m before it broke out to Cats players all at the back, and they took it up the ground? I let out a big groan for that one. 

He played well, made some kicking errors, fought hard, but the limitations of this messy rugby style of inside contest are becoming more and more evident. 

 

I think he has been coached poorly throughout his career.  He has enormous courage and fight, no need to encourage that aspect. I think coaches should have worked more on his craft. He is rover size and that is how he should play more. Get the easy tap from Max, be creative, get in position to kick the odd goal resting in the pocket.  He is somewhere between a good first and second rover.

Angus gained 7 Coaches votes (4+3), not bad for 2.5 quarters!

Really underrated by some on this site.

coaches-votes-r4

Edited June 29, 20204 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Judged 2nd best on ground by the coaches

Melbourne vs Geelong

10 Cameron Guthrie (GEEL)
7 Angus Brayshaw (MELB)
4 Brandan Parfitt (GEEL)
3 Patrick Dangerfield (GEEL)
3 Jack Viney (MELB)
2 Joel Selwood (GEEL)
1 Mark Blicavs (GEEL)

 

 

.... and I must be blind as it was already posted the very post before this one.

Edited June 29, 20204 yr by TheKozzieExperience

Brayshaw was one of several 'senior' players I felt began to turn things around on the weekend. Still short of his best, just like Tmac, Lever, May and Hibberd, but there was enough from each of them to give realistic hope they are on their way back.

I've had a lot of belief in Brayshaw for a long time and still feel like he could be a champion quality midfielder if he can stabilise his form at the higher end of his range.

Our midfield strategy has for a long time been to assume dominance based on having the best ruck and tge best young ball winners in the game. It looks, and is, full of holes if we don't actually win that overwhelming load of clearances and contested posessions. It's also why our mids look like a bunch of front runners the moment things aren't favouring us.

In form Brayshaw is a key piece of the puzzle. Having all of Petracca, Oliver, Viney, Harmes and Brayshaw on song together as the core of a midfield means we have A-graders ready at every bounce and throw-in for whole games. No other club could hope to keep up with that all day. It's why we got the regular six-goal surges and goal-centre-goal doubles in 2018.

 

Gus seemed to find his lost spark, particularly in the second half, on the weekend. Hoping something has clicked for him all of a sudden as he looked a different player. As much as that's good to see, that needs to be the the expectation for him not the 'praise point'.

 

3 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

Open your eyes. He is a good tackler but is always trying to take shortcuts and refuses to run with his opponents. Stood out with Geelong's chip it around style.

Don't want to turn this into an Oliver thread, but it would be impossible to put up the tackle numbers that he does without running and chasing opponents. We've had plenty of lazy footballers at MFC; I don't think he's among them. What stood out against Geelong to me was our lifeless, robotic zone allowing Geelong to play keepings off all day - I put that down to coaching and game plan, not Oliver.

On topic, I think a lot of supporters put too much stock in Brayshaw's 2018 brownlow placing. If the vote count went as we all expected, and he finished below Gawn and Oliver on the leaderboard, he wouldn't cop half the bashing that he does on here. At his best, he's an above-average AFL mid, and an important cog in our team - but I don't think he has the weapons to be among the game's absolute elite. He's been pretty good this year after a disappointing 2019 (and was excellent on the weekend). 

On 6/18/2020 at 9:44 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Brayshaws 2018 was excellent and he brings a lot to our team. Good mid runner with skills on left and right. I’m not setting the bar as high as 2018. Oliver-Viney-Petracca-Harmes-Langdon-Brayshaw-Sparrow.  That’s my midfield group for this year and beyond. Kill the BRAYSHAW trade talk. 

Absolutely valuable player left sitting on the Goodwin bench. Brayshaw has worked hard to get back into the game - and Goodwin swings him here and there, and to the bench as our 'rescue' man. Within the shallow waters of Goodwin's mediocre gametime inspiration, he just passes the buck on the game situation to one or two players to resolve such circumstances. Gus is one who usually produces - and unexpectedly, at times. Great asset for the MFC.

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Gus seemed to find his lost spark, particularly in the second half, on the weekend. Hoping something has clicked for him all of a sudden as he looked a different player. As much as that's good to see, that needs to be the the expectation for him not the 'praise point'.

 

He also has to work hard the other way,  and get down into the back half,  just as much as the F50.

 

Gus does 100 x100's pre season, with brothers.  OK, lets see it Gus, in games.

4 hours ago, Accepting Mediocrity said:

I've seen that written about Oliver a fair bit recently. You know how many players have laid more tackles than Oliver across the last 3 seasons? 

The answer is 2 (Zorko and Steele).

Can we please stop saying Oliver doesn't work hard defensively? If he's a one way runner, so is every other midfielder in the league. 

 

Its the defence that needs his help,  ahead of the ball arriving there.   He has to help build our defence press.

Its no good running in after the ball has got there.

 

Looks like a parte` boy to me.   clarry choo choo.

Edited June 29, 20204 yr by MyFavouriteMartian

21 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Absolutely valuable player left sitting on the Goodwin bench. Brayshaw has worked hard to get back into the game - and Goodwin swings him here and there, and to the bench as our 'rescue' man. Within the shallow waters of Goodwin's mediocre gametime inspiration, he just passes the buck on the game situation to one or two players to resolve such circumstances. Gus is one who usually produces - and unexpectedly, at times. Great asset for the MFC.

Lazy players need discipline.   Don't work hard for the team,  don't play as much.

 

Its always been this way, do the right things and earn the respect of all.  Don't and your on the pine.

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Angus gained 7 Coaches votes (4+3), not bad for 2.5 quarters!

Really underrated by some on this site.

coaches-votes-r4

He had a brilliant 2nd half.   Excellent.     

Lets see that effort every match.   Not half measures, all game long.