20 hours ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

You think,   obviously you do.  Jakovich pushes Robbo to the reserves.  Both had reverse gears,  when it came to defence.  But at least Jako would stay on his feet longer, and had better 2nd efforts for the ball.

Ricky Jackson, all day long,  over Davey.

I agree with you to a degree on Robbo, but on Davey im sorry he revolutionised the small forwards role as we know it today.

With his quieter than a librarian tackling, pace and exquisite finishing skills.

 

1 hour ago, Win4theAges said:

I agree with you to a degree on Robbo, but on Davey im sorry he revolutionised the small forwards role as we know it today.

With his quieter than a librarian tackling, pace and exquisite finishing skills.

 

He did, or nDaniher did.?

Tackling,  oh you mean his referred pressure.?  ssshh.

Edited May 15, 20205 yr by MyFavouriteMartian

2 hours ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

He did, or nDaniher did.?

Tackling,  oh you mean his referred pressure.?  ssshh.

So you saying he never tackled MFM?

Props to Danners for having the tactical nous to recognise the strengths of Flash and implement such a revolutionary tactic with the skill set he possessed.

Danners wasn't the one laying all the librarian tackles, laser like chest high chiselers on Neitz's chest and kicking all the on the run goals was he MFM?

Davey made it all happen, players make the game happen not Danners unfortunately, i rest my case.

Edited May 15, 20205 yr by Win4theAges

On 5/14/2020 at 9:45 AM, Damo said:

 I wouldnt choose Biff or Fowler.

Fowler was 3 times B & F in the BP.

12 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

So you saying he never tackled MFM?

Props to Danners for having the tactical nous to recognise the strengths of Flash and implement such a revolutionary tactic with the skill set he possessed.

Danners wasn't the one laying all the librarian tackles, laser like chest high chiselers on Neitz's chest and kicking all the on the run goals was he MFM?

Davey made it all happen, players make the game happen not Danners unfortunately, i rest my case.

Occasionally he did,  and more-so later in his career.   But his staple in trade was chasing,  but not quite reaching... harassing. referred pressure.

8 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Fowler was 3 times B & F in the BP.

True, but would you have now, Fowler in the BP,  or Grinter into the side,  for today's footy.?

 I would have Whelan in as well,  if  could fit in the team, ahead of Fowler. for kicking.

24 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

So you saying he never tackled MFM?

Props to Danners for having the tactical nous to recognise the strengths of Flash and implement such a revolutionary tactic with the skill set he possessed.

Danners wasn't the one laying all the librarian tackles, laser like chest high chiselers on Neitz's chest and kicking all the on the run goals was he MFM?

Davey made it all happen, players make the game happen not Danners unfortunately, i rest my case.

Is that you, Robbo.?

15 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Fowler was 3 times B & F in the BP.

I should have said I wouldnt have chosen Fowler and Biff because my memories of them werent that clear. My memories of Barassi arent that clear either. He was my hero but i can only remember him speaking to us before a Grand Final in 1967. Being short he told me to punch my opponents arms in a marking contest. :)

I have stronger memories in the 60's of Des Tuddenham whom, watching as a pie boy at the MCG in 1969 and 1970 won games off his own boot. He seemed under rated, as good as Leigh Mathews to me.

Im surprised I havent copped cr@p over Warren Dean but he had poise and grace and Alan Johnson was a brilliant kick  (and IMV)who only moved to the back pocket because he was sniped constantly on the ball and in the forward pocket.

 

On 5/13/2020 at 10:58 PM, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Yep...   my tweak of  jAndersons  selected team.

B: Laurie Fowler – Ray Biffen  --  Sean Wight

HB: Brett Lovett – David Neitz  --  Gary Hardeman
C : Stan Alves – Greg Wells  –  Robbie Flower (Capt.)
HF: Brian Wilson  – David Schwarz – Alan Johnson
F: Jeff Farmer – Garry Lyon  --  Allen Jakovich
 

Foll: Jim Stynes – Gerard Healy – Todd Viney
I/c: Max Gawn – Nathan Jones – Clayton Oliver – Adem Yze  --  Brad Green

B: FOWLER, WIGHT, JOHNSON

HB: B.LOVETT, HARDEMAN, S.FEBEY

C : TINGAY, WELLS, FLOWER (C)

HF: LYON (VC), SCHWARZ, YZE

F: FARMER, NEITZ, DAVEY

FOLL: GAWN, T.VINEY, JONES

IC: STYNES, J.MCDONALD, GREEN, ALVES

EMERG: WILSON, ROBERTSON, JAKOVICH, WHITE

Edited May 15, 20205 yr by WERRIDEE

3 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

B: FOWLER, WIGHT, JOHNSON

HB: B.LOVETT, HARDEMAN, S.FEBEY

C : TINGAY, WELLS, FLOWER (C)

HF: LYON (VC), SCHWARZ, YZE

F: FARMER, NEITZ, DAVEY

FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, JONES

IC: STYNES, J.MCDONALD, GREEN, ALVES

EMERG: WILSON, HEALY, JAKOVICH, WHITE

Both Wight and Hardeman are under 6'-2"   OR 188cms.  a very short backline.

Forwardline is too tall.   3 big players, 6'-3" and over,  they'll get in one another's way.

There is a couple of tall players there,  who can play Key tall back.

 

And still no Grinter in that team.?

24 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

B: FOWLER, WIGHT, JOHNSON

HB: B.LOVETT, HARDEMAN, S.FEBEY

C : TINGAY, WELLS, FLOWER (C)

HF: LYON (VC), SCHWARZ, YZE

F: FARMER, NEITZ, DAVEY

FOLL: GAWN, T.VINEY, JONES

IC: STYNES, J.MCDONALD, GREEN, ALVES

EMERG: WILSON, ROBERTSON, JAKOVICH, WHITE

Height problem easily fixed: Jakovich FF, NeitZ CHB, Hardemann HBF. Febey EMERG. You gotta be cruel to be kind. A great side.

 

26 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Both Wight and Hardeman are under 6'-2"   OR 188cms.  a very short backline.

Forwardline is too tall.   3 big players, 6'-3" and over,  they'll get in one another's way.

There is a couple of tall players there,  who can play Key tall back.

 

And still no Grinter in that team.?

Lyon could play anywhere tall or small he spent time in the midfield. Can't fit Grinter in that team thought S.Febey was a better player.

4 hours ago, Damo said:

 

Im surprised I havent copped cr@p over Warren Dean but he had poise and grace and Alan Johnson was a brilliant kick  (and IMV)who only moved to the back pocket because he was sniped constantly on the ball and in the forward pocket.

 

Dean could have been anything but for that knee injury. Johnno moved to the back pocket when he returned from ripping his hamstring off the bone

26 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Lyon could play anywhere tall or small he spent time in the midfield. Can't fit Grinter in that team thought S.Febey was a better player.

Yep, the two who can play CHB,  are both Lyon and Neitz.    Neitz the better CHB.  Lyon the better tall Forward.

45 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Yep, the two who can play CHB,  are both Lyon and Neitz.    Neitz the better CHB.  Lyon the better tall Forward.

Wight and Hardeman could play above their height. Neitz is our leading goalkicker he should be at full forward.

12 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Wight and Hardeman could play above their height. Neitz is our leading goalkicker he should be at full forward.

Why, because of stats.?

Lyon is the better tall forward able to play all over the forward half and out to centreline kicking goals from 55.

Neita is a better straight line type player, and is even better suited to CHB,  where he can attack the ball in straight lines, and drive it forward.  Neita is better body on body,  that the backline needs,  than Lyon,  who is more lanky sinewy/wirey build,  less of a bull.

i only started following footy in the mid-80s, but mine would be:

B: Neville Jetta - Sean Wight - Alan Johnson
HB: Brett Lovett - David Neitz - Steve Febey
? Robbie Flower - Clayton Oliver - Stephen Tingay
HF: Garry Lyon - David Schwarz - Aaron Davey
F: Brian Wilson - Allen Jakovich - Jeff Farmer
Foll: Jimmy Stynes - Todd Viney - James McDonald
I/c: Nathan Jones - Max Gawn - Adem Yze - Greg Healy

very tempted to include anthony ingerson or - preferably - paul prymke in there as additional tall cover down back, but i figure dollars can always push defensively to help shore up the backline if required

also a massive fan of glenn lovett - some of the best hands of any demon i've seen

others under consideration: jack viney, graeme yeats, rod grinter, travis johnstone, andy lovell, brad green, shane woewodin, bernie vince, russell robertson, cam bruce, jeff white, matthew whelan

goes to show how few "stars" we've had since the 'modern' afl era when you look at that side - and those that we have had have regularly been broken by injury

Edited May 16, 20205 yr by whatwhatsaywhat

30 man squad

Fowler    Steven Smith    Wight

Brett Lovett    Hardeman    Yze

Flower     Wells     Alves

Lyon     Schwarz     Wilson

Farmer     Neitz     Jakovich 

Stynes     Gerard Healy    T.Viney 

int. Johnson  Gawn  N.Jones Davey 

Squad  - Tingay, White, Robertson, J.Mcdonald, Moore, Green, Parke, Oliver 

Steve Febey (standby ?)

Edited May 16, 20205 yr by spirit of norm smith
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12 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

i only started following footy in the mid-80s, but mine would be:

B: Neville Jetta - Sean Wight - Alan Johnson
HB: Brett Lovett - David Neitz - Steve Febey
? Robbie Flower - Clayton Oliver - Stephen Tingay
HF: Garry Lyon - David Schwarz - Aaron Davey
F: Brian Wilson - Allen Jakovich - Jeff Farmer
Foll: Jimmy Stynes - Todd Viney - James McDonald
I/c: Nathan Jones - Max Gawn - Adem Yze - Greg Healy

very tempted to include anthony ingerson or - preferably - paul prymke in there as additional tall cover down back, but i figure dollars can always push defensively to help shore up the backline if required

also a massive fan of glenn lovett - some of the best hands of any demon i've seen

others under consideration: jack viney, graeme yeats, rod grinter, travis johnstone, andy lovell, brad green, shane woewodin, bernie vince, russell robertson, cam bruce, jeff white, matthew whelan

goes to show how few "stars" we've had since the 'modern' afl era when you look at that side - and those that we have had have regularly been broken by injury

Dollars??? Who is that ?

12 hours ago, 58er said:

Dollars??? Who is that ?

gaddy

Fowler   Icke     Johnson

Wight    Neitz    Hardeman

Flower   Wells   Alves

Wilson   Schwartz  Lyon

Farmer  Jackovich Healy

Gawn   Todd Viney  Mc Donald

Stynes, Lovett, Green, Oliver

 

Swartz to Neitz... *sigh........

and when we are getting smacked about, shift Neeter back.

Geez we have had some good ones over the journey, just not enough in the team at the same time.

Wonder if any of our current young kids will make a list like that in another 50 years.

 

16 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

gaddy

Who is Gaddy then ? 

use yr imagination to work it out @58er

How to start an argument: 

I accept that this team, plus or minus one or two players, is the best Melbourne side of the last 50 years. Unfortunately, I don't think it would beat any other team's best side of the last 50 years. And that includes GWS, Fremantle and possibly even Gold Coast.