23 hours ago, ding said:

Based on just these leaked photos, or do you have some other evidence to back up this ridiculous claim?

Vic Police generally do a fantastic job despite working for a Government that doesnt seem to have any great affection for them, and a judiciary stacked with Libertarians. 

 

Ding no offence to you personally, but to quote the great man John McEnroe "You can not be serious man, You can not be serious".

11 hours ago, ding said:

Yeah just see my reply to Goffy Moonie. I am not, nor has anyone in my family ever been in the force. My respect for the Police comes from empathising with what they have to put up with on a daily basis. I couldnt do what they do in a million years.

The member who took and shared that photo deserves to be a'holed for what he did. It was a dog act, but the force as a whole shouldnt be labelled corrupt because of his actions.

 

Edit... Actually no, i dont believe he should be sacked. For all we kmow he may have a 20 year umblemished record of service. Sanctioned, Yes.

Sanctioned heavily?..... possibly depending on his prior form.

Sacked?... No. 

 

Sacked!...   removed from the force is the only way for this breach of trust...  to show other coppers that they need to show respect at all times.  To everyone.  

Otherwise the police become the same as the churches...  one rule for them,   and other rules for the rest of us all.

 

Not to mention,  deaths in custody.   There is another can of worms for coppers the world over.

Edited May 5, 20204 yr by MyFavouriteMartian

11 hours ago, ding said:

It actually IS that simple, as you just suggested in this line "there's still an awful lot of people who have vivid, sometimes very recent memories driving their mistrust of police".

Straight-up people dont develop a hatred of Police unless they or someone close has had an unpleasant run-in. It just doesnt happen. And my statement is 100% true... i have never in my life met anyone who hates Police for no Reason, who isnt just a bogan piece of excrement. 

The public only develops a dislike of Coppers because of either of the 2 reason i have just stated (Bad experience/stitchup) or they are law-breaking dirtbags who dont like being caught doing the wrong thing.

I get [censored] off at people who blanket-slag Police when the poor bastards have to put up with so much crap from the public.

Nobody in my family is a Copper, nor have they ever been. In fact the only member i know personally is the husband of my Ex-wife, and stepfather to my daughter. He is a champion person but not the reason i have empathy for Police.

I agree with you that there are still bad seeds in the force. No doubt about it. I have even had the misfortune to have met one who was a total d'bag for some reason. Didnt make me think the whole force is corrupt because i can think rationally. He was a VERY small minority of the force.

You were happy to label VicPol as Australias most corrupt force. Without evidence, thats nothing but angry hyperbole.

A majority of the police force do a great job Ding and they should be commended.

In recent times though Ding a small minority of the force have dabbled into the criminal underworld seeking the best of both worlds. 

Why they have been labelled with this tag might have something to do with the elements those "bad seeds" have  had dealings with.

If your asking how i know such things, i do a fair few readings into these matters. I have no dealings with the criminal underworld.

 

Edited May 5, 20204 yr by Win4theAges

2 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

A majority of the police force do a great job Ding and they should be commended.

In recent times though Ding a small minority of the force have dabbled into the criminal underworld seeking the best of both worlds.

NOT if they do not work and live by their own law standards they don't,  'W4tA'.

If they see a crime amongst their own,  they should report it,  but they do not. 

 

Why have those coppers,  who received the photo's,  reported it to their authorities,  'W4tA'.    Why didn't they act responsibly.?This has only happened because it got into the media,  and the Police leadership became aware of it through lawyers and ordinary people.

6 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

NOT if they do not work and live by their own law standards they don't,  'W4tA'.

If they see a crime amongst their own,  they should report it,  but they do not. 

 

Why have those coppers,  who received the photo's,  reported it to their authorities,  'W4tA'.    Why didn't they act responsibly.?This has only happened because it got into the media,  and the Police leadership became aware of it through lawyers and ordinary people.

Just read my posts MFM i agree with you mate.

21 hours ago, daisycutter said:

waiting for hun to post his picture and mug shot

Senior Constable Shane Reid, has been named in The Age.

33 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Senior Constable Shane Reid, has been named in The Age.

Makes sense, if you look at the msgs going around the name shane appears at the top of the text message folder.

 

The police release the names of people they’ve arrested and describe the charges, before they’ve been tried in court. This wrecks reputations regardless of the outcome of any later trials. Mud sticks. This case doesn’t look too good for Laidley with or without photos. The photos obviously make it look worse and will damage his reputation so badly as to make him a social outcast and unemployable. Rather nasty of the policeman. Vindictive. I wonder what the reason was?

Anyone read the articles on the Hun website today? They're saying that Laidley's lifestyle was an open secret in the AFL world...

Also FWIW I can only imagine the frustration of some at VicPol that this occurs after such goodwill towards them following the Eastern Fwy incident.  

 

Let's not forget he is accused of stalking and breaking an avo (so forgetting his dress sense which while unusual isn't the first person to do so) there are other more significant victims 

 

 

 

 

19 hours ago, ding said:

It actually IS that simple, as you just suggested in this line "there's still an awful lot of people who have vivid, sometimes very recent memories driving their mistrust of police".

Straight-up people dont develop a hatred of Police unless they or someone close has had an unpleasant run-in. It just doesnt happen. And my statement is 100% true... i have never in my life met anyone who hates Police for no Reason, who isnt just a bogan piece of excrement. 

The public only develops a dislike of Coppers because of either of the 2 reason i have just stated (Bad experience/stitchup) or they are law-breaking dirtbags who dont like being caught doing the wrong thing.

I get [censored] off at people who blanket-slag Police when the poor bastards have to put up with so much crap from the public.

Nobody in my family is a Copper, nor have they ever been. In fact the only member i know personally is the husband of my Ex-wife, and stepfather to my daughter. He is a champion person but not the reason i have empathy for Police.

I agree with you that there are still bad seeds in the force. No doubt about it. I have even had the misfortune to have met one who was a total d'bag for some reason. Didnt make me think the whole force is corrupt because i can think rationally. He was a VERY small minority of the force.

You were happy to label VicPol as Australias most corrupt force. Without evidence, thats nothing but angry hyperbole.

There is complexity in your point that I appreciate.  Personally I have a very complex relationship with police.  My work has actually involved a huge volume of distant yet detailed observation of the mostly more boring side of the endless slog that police generally manage to work their way through with high professionalism.  Hell, I can vouch that police even manage to be courteous and professional to some truly awful people. 

On the other hand, I think where our different complex points are getting tangled is that I am also aware of levels of unprofessional and unacceptable behaviour within police that cannot be pointed to as a collection of isolated incidents that might anger individuals who have personal bad experiences, but as patterns of behavior within organisational culture which continue to be protected by some senior networks within that culture.

Similarly, on the one hand I am the kind of person who doesn't hesitate to call police and to stick around and monitor situations like 'crazy guy outside mall' or 'brawl brewing up on street near seedy pub'.  On the other hand, I personally would not feel safe in police custody and would be highly concerned for the well-being of a great many of my friends if they were taken into custody for any reason, however minor, incidental or erroneous. Importantly, from an observed, sustained pattern, I can have a fair and reasonable concern that many people I know could not be sure of their rights or dignity while in police hands.

One particular example comes to mind - in my work I've heard a number of times people raising a moan about the 'Do you identify as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander?' question.  The issue is of course the perception that Indigenous people are being offered special treatment.  But a deep thinking session about why the question is asked that way brings the realisation - people are asked specifically if they are Indigenous in order to protect the dignity of police.  Imagine if the question was made race-neutral.  It would read, "Do you identify as belonging to a category of people who can, based on extensive evidence, family and personal experience, reasonably be in fear of mistreatment while in custody and during the law enforcement process?'

Anyway, while I was just joking about Queensland, I really don't think Vic Police is the worst, despite the recent shameful papering over of the unwarranted raid + arm shattering incident.  A bit of the old 'if they run, then they must be the enemy' (Full Metal Jacket, I think?) Probably New South Wales has the poorest reputation at present, what with all the stripping children and stuff.  That was policy, not one-off incidents. It was an unambiguous policy of harassing attendees at music festivals because, you know, 'those people'.

BUT, for all that, by way of olive branch, there's no denying that there is a layer of people who act like the police are some kind of irredeemable fascist jackboot force, and many of that mob are horrendously pretentious juveniles or straight-up low-lifes. I do see your point there and can at least respect that you are primarily expressing your irritation at that useless attitude.

40 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

Let's not forget he is accused of stalking and breaking an avo (so forgetting his dress sense which while unusual isn't the first person to do so) there are other more significant victims 

No one is denying that.

There are two important stories here. One, that he is accused of the things you mention, and second that Laidley's privacy was illegally breached by police officers (two have now been suspended). 

A third story is of a life spiralling out of control apparently from drugs/mental health issues.

There are only losers in this whole situation. 

I would've thought it good for the victim's sake that little has been leaked about the charges Laidley is likely to face.

We have information about the photos and text messages of the privacy breach, so that is why it is the dominant discussion here at the moment.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/05/clicks-and-dollars-trump-ethics-for-media-that-published-leaked-photos-of-dean-laidley

4 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

No one is denying that.

There are two important stories here. One, that he is accused of the things you mention, and second that Laidley's privacy was illegally breached by police officers (two have now been suspended). 

A third story is of a life spiralling out of control apparently from drugs/mental health issues.

There are only losers in this whole situation. 

I would've thought it good for the victim's sake that little has been leaked about the charges Laidley is likely to face.

We have information about the photos and text messages of the privacy breach, so that is why it is the dominant discussion here at the moment.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/05/clicks-and-dollars-trump-ethics-for-media-that-published-leaked-photos-of-dean-laidley

The point l am making is that this tread is totally unbalanced. Perhaps count the number of posts that talk about the main victims? None or very few at best. l will reserve most of my sympathy for them. To have an avo out means the issue has been ongoing

16 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Senior Constable Shane Reid, has been named in The Age.

He should be publicly humiliated. Its an incredible breach of trust. What a dog act!

Breach of trust? So you think Laidley trusted the police? It’s a beach of privacy. Not trust.

16 minutes ago, President Dee Trump said:

Breach of trust? So you think Laidley trusted the police? It’s a beach of privacy. Not trust.

We are all supposed to trust the police to act within the law and with integrity aren't we??

2 minutes ago, Kent said:

We are all supposed to trust the police to act within the law and with integrity aren't we??

why should we expect the police to be more trustworthy than the rest of the public service

just joshing..... 

8 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

The point l am making is that this tread is totally unbalanced. Perhaps count the number of posts that talk about the main victims? None or very few at best. l will reserve most of my sympathy for them. To have an avo out means the issue has been ongoing

Ok, so you want us to talk about the AVO victim/s? To discuss what's happened to them? On an anonymous football forum? Just to balence the thread up?

I think you are confusing most poster's respect for the victim's privacy as to mean we do not care. For us to not know the name of the victim, the circumstances surrounding the AVO or it's breach is a good thing, and more than likely what they want. 

Not one person on here has said they do not have sympathy for the AVO victim. Of course we do.

Obviously the photos shouldn’t have been taken (or shared) in the first place but this is why you can’t even trust your mates. 

8 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Obviously the photos shouldn’t have been taken (or shared) in the first place but this is why you can’t even trust your mates. 

It's not like this is the first time this has happened in the social media age. Take a look at the idiots caught out like the Freo players, Cleary and Addo-Carr/Mitchell issues recently. Idiots spreading things on the socials. 

I jumped of social media 18 months ago and I've not regretted it for a second. 

3 hours ago, President Dee Trump said:

Breach of trust? So you think Laidley trusted the police? It’s a beach of privacy. Not trust.

Yes it is;  the trust of fellow police officers,  of  VicPol,  and of our whole community.

Its utter gutter snipe stuff.

And that officer has no business belonging with the police.  He has to be sacked.

But he will resign,  before the charges are tested in court, no doubt.

 

What the public needs,  is for the charges to be tested,  and for the actions seen to be delivered...  to restore faith in our whole legal system.

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20 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

It's not like this is the first time this has happened in the social media age. Take a look at the idiots caught out like the Freo players, Cleary and Addo-Carr/Mitchell issues recently. Idiots spreading things on the socials. 

I jumped of social media 18 months ago and I've not regretted it for a second. 

Jesse Hogan too. 

Yes it’s a breach of Laidley’s privacy and a breach of ethics and decency. The policeman has behaved in a disgraceful way and hopefully will be sacked. Laidley also looks like he might be in trouble, probably because he’s been up to no good, and the truth about that will hopefully emerge too.

It is amazing that AFL clubs have more coaches on the books than ever before, and most of these can travel under the radar for years without the general public knowing exactly what they contribute to their club's performance, yet the scrutiny and pressure imposed on senior coaches is greater than ever. It is a broken system and hopefully this will be the catalyst for change.

11 minutes ago, poita said:

It is amazing that AFL clubs have more coaches on the books than ever before, and most of these can travel under the radar for years without the general public knowing exactly what they contribute to their club's performance, yet the scrutiny and pressure imposed on senior coaches is greater than ever. It is a broken system and hopefully this will be the catalyst for change.

He’s not currently an AFL coach. What does this incident have to do with his performance when he was? You’ve really gone off the planet on a tangent here! Are you blaming the “pressure” of his past job for his current alleged misdeeds? 

Edited May 6, 20204 yr by President Dee Trump