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Would anyone on here on a fixed contract take 79% pay cut? Contracts are there for a reason. To provide job security especially in a career that on average lasts 4 years. The PA are there to represent the best interests of the playing group and that is what they are doing. 
extreme circumstances for sure but I’m trying to see things from the player’s perspective 

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    1 minute ago, Demonland said:

     

    Still nothing from the Dees?

    We'll be the last club to act as per usual. We'll probably even be the nice guy club and keep on all our staff. Probably pay the players double too.

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    1 minute ago, Kelpien said:

    Still nothing from the Dees?

    We'll be the last club to act as per usual. We'll probably even be the nice guy club and keep on all our staff. Probably pay the players double too.

    Read somewhere on 'Land someone said staff had been stood down.

    Also, Goodwin is on a part time contract currently.

    Bit poor the club hasn't made a statement to fill in the members still.

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    6 hours ago, Demonland said:

     

    Outrageous if the AFLPA and contracted players allow that to happen.  The minimum wage players are rookies and 1st and 2nd year draftees some of whom have moved interstate to play.

    I would really like to see some senior AFL players do a 'Chris Scott'; take a more compassionate stand - more compassionate to their non-playing club colleagues and to their junior playing colleagues.

    For Reiwoldt to argue that playrers have rent, mortgages and families to support is incredibly unaware of what is happening to millions of Australians losing their jobs who also have rent, mortgages and families to support. 

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    2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Read somewhere on 'Land someone said staff had been stood down.

    Also, Goodwin is on a part time contract currently.

    Bit poor the club hasn't made a statement to fill in the members still.

    Not sure it really matters that we have or haven't been told. Surely it's a given that all clubs will stand down 70 - 90% of staff.

    Max has said that a lot of staff have been stood down, the press have been told that Goodwin is on reduced hours. We would certainly have very few, if any any media or membership staff left. 

    Do we need to know more? Maybe down the track, but not now

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    18 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    Other clubs identified as potential casualties have come out to reassure members:

    North Will Survive

    Suns:  We Are Not folding!

    St Kilda's Return to Moorabbin could save the Club  (Scroll down page to get to Saints story)

    Good to see they are on the 'front foot' and communicated with members and fans. 

    Meanwhile, we wait.

    Another entity comes out to assure sports fans. 

    Foxtel: We feel secure

    Apologies for quoting my own post but I would like to track how long it takes mfc to come out and reassure us.

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    6 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    Other clubs identified as potential casualties have come out to reassure members:

    North Will Survive

    Suns:  We Are Not folding!

    St Kilda's Return to Moorabbin could save the Club  (Scroll down page to get to Saints story)

    Good to see they are on the 'front foot' and communicated with members and fans. 

    Meanwhile, we wait.

    We have already had 2 letters from Bartlett and Pert how many do you want?  I suspect they have a lot on their plate and we’ll here from them soon again anyway.  Supporters also need to stop putting us in same category as Gold Coast and St Kilda.  We have 2m debt 10m in bank and real assets - St Kilda have over 14m debt and who knows how much Gold Coast owes.  We are the foundation Club who wrote the rules - we won’t fold - AFL will make sure all 18 clubs come through this seriously if there was no drama around this there would be nothing to report on

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    20 minutes ago, Jack Russell said:

    We have already had 2 letters from Bartlett and Pert how many do you want?  I suspect they have a lot on their plate and we’ll here from them soon again anyway.  Supporters also need to stop putting us in same category as Gold Coast and St Kilda.  We have 2m debt 10m in bank and real assets - St Kilda have over 14m debt and who knows how much Gold Coast owes.  We are the foundation Club who wrote the rules - we won’t fold - AFL will make sure all 18 clubs come through this seriously if there was no drama around this there would be nothing to report on

    I have emails from the club dated March 15 to explain the separation of players/staff and one on March 19 thanking members for their support and asking for them to get more people to sign up.

    Both were: we are in 'business-as-usual' type messages. 

    The AFL is now in crisis mode:  On March 22 the season was suspended.  It is no long 'business-as-usual'.

    Nothing from the club since then. 

    So yeah, I and perhaps the majority of the other 37,000 members, want to here that we will also survive and like the other clubs outline why they think that can happen.

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    18 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    I have emails from the club dated March 15 to explain the separation of players/staff and one on March 19 thanking members for their support and asking for them to get more people to sign up.

    Both were: we are in 'business-as-usual' type messages. 

    The AFL is now in crisis mode:  On March 22 the season was suspended.  It is no long 'business-as-usual'.

    Nothing from the club since then. 

    So yeah, I and perhaps the majority of the other 37,000 members, want to here that we will also survive and like the other clubs outline why they think that can happen.

    While I understand your point, I would rather those still working at the club spend their time securing its future rather than worrying about informing members of what they're doing. I know it might seem that preparing a bulletin for members and supporters should be a simple task that doesn't take much time, but given the shifting sands upon which we all stand, I don't think it is that easy at all. 

    Would I like to be informed? Yes. Is it more important than doing everything else to protect the club's future? No.

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    I don't care that they haven't released anything to the members as yet, I do not want to sold some false hope.

    I would rather wait until the dust settles and then be told EXACTLY what is happening.

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    59 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

    Not sure it really matters that we have or haven't been told. Surely it's a given that all clubs will stand down 70 - 90% of staff.

    Max has said that a lot of staff have been stood down, the press have been told that Goodwin is on reduced hours. We would certainly have very few, if any any media or membership staff left. 

    Do we need to know more? Maybe down the track, but not now

    No one needs to know exact details, but a bit of a glimpse at what measures the club is taking to assure our future would certainly help the members and supporters currently. We all know we're a struggling club and even thought it's clearly not the biggest issue for any of us right now; it would be helpful to know a little more.

    Doesn't even have to be some official club statement or the like, could be something as simple as some kind of combined video of messages from players, coaches and Pert/Bartlett just telling the supporters to stick fat and we'll be back. Might seem like a small thing, but it's times like this where gestures like that can mean a lot to supporters.

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    1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

    No one needs to know exact details, but a bit of a glimpse at what measures the club is taking to assure our future would certainly help the members and supporters currently. We all know we're a struggling club and even thought it's clearly not the biggest issue for any of us right now; it would be helpful to know a little more.

    Doesn't even have to be some official club statement or the like, could be something as simple as some kind of combined video of messages from players, coaches and Pert/Bartlett just telling the supporters to stick fat and we'll be back. Might seem like a small thing, but it's times like this where gestures like that can mean a lot to supporters.

    Like the comments Max made to the media? Or like those Jake Lever said late yesterday about player welfare?

    Whatever MFC, Norf, Saints or GCS say at this moment is hollow. No one knows where this is going, for how long, or to what extent it will impact our finances going forward (beyond massively, of course). 

    Goodwin, Pert, Bartlett and the rest of the AFL are probably just worrying about their families, relos, friends and their own situation right now. And rightly so for a while. 

    Goodwin is only on deck a couple of days per week, I reckon he'll put out a 'stick fat' Insta clip in the coming week or two. Isolation has only just begun. It's not a race to be first.

    I like to think I'm as passionate a Dees fan as most. I'm looking at no income for months and my super resembles a lead balloon, but I know others worse off. For now, I personally couldn't give a [censored] what statement the club puts out.

    But I hear what you are saying.

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    50 minutes ago, Demonland said:

     

    As I understand it the football year runs from October to October and players have been paid 6months of their annual fee. The new salary year will commence in October by which time things should be "normal". So in reality they are being asked to take a somewhere between a 25-35% cut on their annual salary.

    The real debate is over the salary level for the 2020-21 year and who knows ???

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    14 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

    Like the comments Max made to the media? Or like those Jake Lever said late yesterday about player welfare?

    Whatever MFC, Norf, Saints or GCS say at this moment is hollow. No one knows where this is going, for how long, or to what extent it will impact our finances going forward (beyond massively, of course). 

    Goodwin, Pert, Bartlett and the rest of the AFL are probably just worrying about their families, relos, friends and their own situation right now. And rightly so for a while. 

    Goodwin is only on deck a couple of days per week, I reckon he'll put out a 'stick fat' Insta clip in the coming week or two. Isolation has only just begun. It's not a race to be first.

    I like to think I'm as passionate a Dees fan as most. I'm looking at no income for months and my super resembles a lead balloon, but I know others worse off. For now, I personally couldn't give a [censored] what statement the club puts out.

    But I hear what you are saying.

    I mean more directed to the fans.

    I'm not having a crack at them at all or saying it's a 'fail' or anything like that. More just saying that the next level for us is to do the extra things, and so far this year we've started doing that fairly well and would be awesome to see that kept up now, but it's not make or break by any stretch.

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    16 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

    Like the comments Max made to the media? Or like those Jake Lever said late yesterday about player welfare?

    Whatever MFC, Norf, Saints or GCS say at this moment is hollow. No one knows where this is going, for how long, or to what extent it will impact our finances going forward (beyond massively, of course). 

    Goodwin, Pert, Bartlett and the rest of the AFL are probably just worrying about their families, relos, friends and their own situation right now. And rightly so for a while. 

    Goodwin is only on deck a couple of days per week, I reckon he'll put out a 'stick fat' Insta clip in the coming week or two. Isolation has only just begun. It's not a race to be first.

    I like to think I'm as passionate a Dees fan as most. I'm looking at no income for months and my super resembles a lead balloon, but I know others worse off. For now, I personally couldn't give a [censored] what statement the club puts out.

    But I hear what you are saying.

    I don't read all the DL threads so haven't seen Max's or Jake's comments.  Would be grateful if you could provide a bit more info or a link.  Thanks.

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    29 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    As I understand it the football year runs from October to October and players have been paid 6months of their annual fee. The new salary year will commence in October by which time things should be "normal". So in reality they are being asked to take a somewhere between a 25-35% cut on their annual salary.

    The real debate is over the salary level for the 2020-21 year and who knows ???

    A sensible approach is for players to be paid on a percentage of generated club revenue, percentage to be agreed on. That would be fair assuming complete transparency is adhered to.  Further I would like to see all players be paid equally until certainty to the finances of the competition is restored.

    Edited by america de cali

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    15 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    I don't read all the DL threads so haven't seen Max's or Jake's comments.  Would be grateful if you could provide a bit more info or a link.  Thanks.

    Two posts above yours Luce

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    the prospect of clubs being forced to merge as a result of this crisis is real - the senior reporters are all running with that at the moment, so i personally would rather our senior personnel don't run with the 'we'll be okay' narrative of the likes of north, saints, and gc17 because, quite simply, you really can't be that confident

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    3 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    the prospect of clubs being forced to merge as a result of this crisis is real - the senior reporters are all running with that at the moment, so i personally would rather our senior personnel don't run with the 'we'll be okay' narrative of the likes of north, saints, and gc17 because, quite simply, you really can't be that confident

    mmmmm  I smell a small rat.

    The AFL commission have wanted mergers of Melbourne clubs for years. Fan backlash has made it too hard. This could be the excuse they need

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    8 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    mmmmm  I smell a small rat.

    The AFL commission have wanted mergers of Melbourne clubs for years. Fan backlash has made it too hard. This could be the excuse they need

    unfortunately it very well may be needed

    in an ideal world a 12 or 14 team national afl competition would be the ideal 'model' with 22 or 26 games - and doing away completely with the pre-season rubbish - allows everyone playing home and away

    sadly, those thinking that we'd be part of that need to think again

    16 min quarters plus time on will be here to stay as well

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    1 minute ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    unfortunately it very well may be needed

    in an ideal world a 12 or 14 team national afl competition would be the ideal 'model'

    Why would the AFL bring in 2 new teams and then recently start considering more if that was the case?

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