Core players / top 4 in the best 22? (merged thread)

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,906]

Not exactly the question that was asked but if you were looking for the 4 players you would most want to be there for 22 games and then some I would say Gawn, Langdon, May and T-Mac. All 4 are high quality and have significant gap to the next up in their role. 

Edited December 24, 2019 by big_red_fire_engine

[Wrecker45 3,378]

On 12/23/2019 at 11:10 AM, JakovichScissorKick said:

 

James Jordon?         More chance of him being delisted at the end of the year than being one of our top 4 players.

An accumulator of the footy with elite disposal, peripheral vision and decision making isn’t going to be delisted at the end of the season no matter what happens this season.

The fact his professionalism is off the charts for his age and he has a pretty good tank leave me confident of where he is headed.

[old55 23,053]

5 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Not exactly the question that was asked but if you were looking for the 4 players you would most want to be there for 22 games and then some I would say Gawn, Langdon, May and T-Mac. All 4 are high quality and have significant gap to the next up in their role. 

Surprised you can leave Oliver out BRFE.  He's #1 and daylight second. I agree May and TMac next.  I actually think we could cover Max with Preuss but I dont rate rucking.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,906]

53 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Surprised you can leave Oliver out BRFE.  He's #1 and daylight second. I agree May and TMac next.  I actually think we could cover Max with Preuss but I dont rate rucking.

We have good quality depth combined in Brayshaw, Harmes, Petracca and Viney to jointly “cover” his clearance and contested ball winning ability and class. Preuss could do enough to negate at the hitouts but I think you are seriously underestimating Gawns impact around the ground particularly behind the ball.

Edited December 24, 2019 by big_red_fire_engine

[monoccular 17,353]

On 12/22/2019 at 7:49 AM, Wrecker45 said:

Jordan will be in our top 4 by the end of the year and walk into any other midfield.

 

Big call.

Hope you are right.

How do we bookmark this?

[WERRIDEE 5,367]

1.GAWN

2.OLIVER

3.T.MCDONALD

4. VINEY

[WERRIDEE 5,367]

On 12/15/2019 at 8:46 AM, Ugottobekidding said:

I'd have Hore atleast on the interchange. How is Pickett in the best 22 already. 

I wouldn't have Hore in the best 22. Lever, May and Smith are enough in the tall department. Pickett is our only small forward that's why he is in the team.

B: LEVER, MAY, JETTA

HB: HARMES, SMITH, HIBBERD

C : LANGDON, OLIVER, TOMLINSON

HF: MELKSHAM, T.MCDONALD, PETRACCA

F: PICKETT, WEIDEMAN, FRITSCH

FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, BRAYSHAW

IC: JONES, SALEM, PETTY, VANDENBERG

EMERG: BROWN

CASEY

B: LOCKHART, HUTCHINS, HORE

HB: HUNT, O.MCDONALD, RIVERS

C : JORDON, SPARROW, BAKER

HF: HANNAN, JACKSON, NEAL-BULLEN

F: BEDFORD, WHITE, CHANDLER

FOLL: PREUSS, MUTIMER, MUNRO

IC: C.WAGNER, J.WAGNER, DUNKLEY, SPARGO

EMERG: BENNELL, KOLODJASHNIJ, BRADTKE

[Fanatique Demon 2,633]

Can't see Hoare in best 22.  Recently watched 2019 game replays and saw him give away too many free kicks and goals. He would need to improve dramatically.  Right now, I'm thinking that if we need one of Oscar and Hoare, I'm going with Oscar.

[Fanatique Demon 2,633]

Oops, should that be Hore?

[Yokozuna 1,004]

I do find it interesting how people wonder or muse as to how many players from one side would fit into other top sides and be effective, and how highly people rate individuals playing in the top team over those in a lower side.

I think the example of Marlion Pickett in this years Grand a Final gives you the example of how any reasonable AFL player could become part of a TEAM and make an impact.

So, I would suggest you could pick 10 players from this years GC side who would fit into richmonds premiership team. I wouldn’t suggest they could all pay at once, but many would those fitting into the team and paying their role.

I would say that Oliver, Gawn, May, T Mac, Melksham, Jetta, Harmes and Petracca could all play in top sides, together.

You look at the Richmond side and they have some everyday, regular players who just play their roles, but as they play in a strong side who plays consistently, they may look better than our players.

Difference between harmes and lambert for example??

 

 

 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

42 minutes ago, Yokozuna said:

I do find it interesting how people wonder or muse as to how many players from one side would fit into other top sides and be effective, and how highly people rate individuals playing in the top team over those in a lower side.

I think the example of Marlion Pickett in this years Grand a Final gives you the example of how any reasonable AFL player could become part of a TEAM and make an impact.

So, I would suggest you could pick 10 players from this years GC side who would fit into richmonds premiership team. I wouldn’t suggest they could all pay at once, but many would those fitting into the team and paying their role.

I would say that Oliver, Gawn, May, T Mac, Melksham, Jetta, Harmes and Petracca could all play in top sides, together.

You look at the Richmond side and they have some everyday, regular players who just play their roles, but as they play in a strong side who plays consistently, they may look better than our players.

Difference between harmes and lambert for example??

 

 

 

I agree with everything you say except Marlion Pickett. He is A+ grade and one of the best footballers in the league.

He’s only played one game but he almost won the norm smith.

He didn’t slot in and play his role he dominated.

[Yokozuna 1,004]

Entitled to your opinion about Pickett, and who knows, he may end up being great, but I won’t call anyone an A+ and a gun after 1 game.

[D4Life 2,412]

7 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I wouldn't have Hore in the best 22. Lever, May and Smith are enough in the tall department. Pickett is our only small forward that's why he is in the team.

B: LEVER, MAY, JETTA

HB: HARMES, SMITH, HIBBERD

C : LANGDON, OLIVER, TOMLINSON

HF: MELKSHAM, T.MCDONALD, PETRACCA

F: PICKETT, WEIDEMAN, FRITSCH

FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, BRAYSHAW

IC: JONES, SALEM, PETTY, VANDENBERG

EMERG: BROWN

CASEY

B: LOCKHART, HUTCHINS, HORE

HB: HUNT, O.MCDONALD, RIVERS

C : JORDON, SPARROW, BAKER

HF: HANNAN, JACKSON, NEAL-BULLEN

F: BEDFORD, WHITE, CHANDLER

FOLL: PREUSS, MUTIMER, MUNRO

IC: C.WAGNER, J.WAGNER, DUNKLEY, SPARGO

EMERG: BENNELL, KOLODJASHNIJ, BRADTKE

Team looks really good, well done.

I really like Smith at CHB, would like to see him play in mould of Sean Wight! OMac good backup.

Hopefully Pickett up to it, Hunt is good as a back up.

Would change Weid & TMac.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

8 hours ago, Yokozuna said:

Entitled to your opinion about Pickett, and who knows, he may end up being great, but I won’t call anyone an A+ and a gun after 1 game.

I’m hoping 1 Melbourne player can play an A+ game in my lifetime on grand final day.

Malion Pickett didn’t get selected to debut on grand final day for no reason. He is an absolute jet.

[jnrmac 19,940]

On 12/14/2019 at 2:44 AM, CHF said:

I am interested in who people think are the 'Core"players should be in the team week in week out. A number of these are evident but I am sure we all have different views.

My present team with the gaps filled is:

Backs:                  Lever. May. Jetta

HB:                        Salem. OMac Harmes

MIDS:                   Tomlinson. Oliver. Langdon

HF:                        Melksham. Weideman. Petracca

Forwards:            Fitsch. TMac. AN-B

Ruck:                    Gawn. Viney. Brayshaw

I/C                         Hunt, VDB, Jones, Petty

Back 6 have a lot of experienced heads but would need good reactive match coaching to cover the players. Tomlinson, Petty, Jones and Hunt have flexibility to cover any problems back there during a game.

Front 6 Is about as good as we can expect. VDB, Petty and Tomlinson can all go forward with a resting mid to cove there.

Mids running off max look good. In that 22 there are 13 players that can rotate through the center.

OMac in your best 22?

Pfft

Edited December 27, 2019 by jnrmac

[Gator 17,261]

On 12/25/2019 at 11:23 AM, Yokozuna said:

Entitled to your opinion about Pickett, and who knows, he may end up being great, but I won’t call anyone an A+ and a gun after 1 game.

Agreed.

I wouldn't call a player an A-grader on the back of one great year let alone one game. 

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

On 12/14/2019 at 2:44 AM, CHF said:

So, in my opinion our core players are the following:

·        May (D)

·        Salem (D)

·        Harmes (D/M)

·        Petracca (M/F)

·        Viney (M)

·        Lever (D)

·        Brayshaw (M)

·        Gawn (R)

·        Oliver (M)

·        Melksham (F/M)

·        T McDonald (F)

·        Fitsch (F)

#edit:  + Jetta.

 

I highlighted from your list,  who i think are the first picked,  in any H&A week.

Edited December 27, 2019 by MyFavouriteMartian

[CHF 2,698]

9 hours ago, jnrmac said:

OMac in your best 22?

Pfft

I think his best is good in a well structured back 6. If he gets some solid form behind him at Casey I can see him picked to fill a role.

[CHF 2,698]

3 hours ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

#edit:  + Jetta.

 

I highlighted from your list,  who i think are the first picked,  in any H&A week.

With Jetta, I see him at the crossroads after his injury interrupted season. I agree that if he can get back his form and fitness he is a lock to start games. 

At this stage I do not see him as a 'core' player.

[jnrmac 19,940]

15 hours ago, CHF said:

I think his best is good in a well structured back 6. If he gets some solid form behind him at Casey I can see him picked to fill a role.

So you agree he is nowhere best 22 but he is simply a role filler after solid form at Casey.

CLear as mud.

 

[TheoX 1,222]

Surely Pickett won't be in our best 22, he barely impacted games at U18 level, unlikely he will do much at AFL level in his first year you'd think. Let him get up to standard at Casey for a couple of years.

[Paulo 285]

On 12/24/2019 at 4:35 PM, Wrecker45 said:

An accumulator of the footy with elite disposal, peripheral vision and decision making isn’t going to be delisted at the end of the season no matter what happens this season.

The fact his professionalism is off the charts for his age and he has a pretty good tank leave me confident of where he is headed.

I too have liked what i have seen, and think he will be and stay in the side before the year is out (even with a full squad to pick from )

[Deemania since 56 6,571]

On 12/14/2019 at 2:14 AM, CHF said:

I am interested in who people think are the 'Core"players should be in the team week in week out. A number of these are evident but I am sure we all have different views.

Looking at the list as it stands at the moment and trying to envisage a team is an interesting exercise. To my mind we have a group of core players that will be selected week in week out as long as they are in form and fit. These guys are established players in the team that have a solid background of work in their portfolio and are expected to do their jobs.

The second group I have are the players that I call borderline. These are the ones that Are either on the way up developing, on the way down as they age or ones that I think have found their natural level and are below the ‘çore’ standard required.

The third group are the young developing players that need time to develop.

Last group are the Rookies.

So, in my opinion our core players are the following:

·        May (D)

·        Salem (D)

·        Harmes (D/M)

·        Petracca (M/F)

·        Viney (M)

·        Lever (D)

·        Brayshaw (M)

·        Gawn (R)

·        Oliver (M)

·        Melksham (F/M)

·        T McDonald (F)

·        Fitsch (F)

In addition to these 12 I would add:

·        Tomlinson (M) Recovering from Injury

·        Langdon (M)

So, the team with these in place reads as:

Backs:                  Lever. May. …….

HB:                        Salem. …….. Harmes

MIDS:                   Tomlinson. Oliver. Langdon

HF:                        Melksham. …….. Petracca

Forwards:            Fitsch. TMac. ………

Ruck:                    Gawn. Viney. Brayshaw

I/C

The second group of players is quite extensive and this is where I expect a few people to disagree with me.

In the aging group I have:

·        Jones (B/M)

·        Hibberd (B)

·        Jetta (B)

These three to my mind are running out of legs a bit. All have been excellent players for us but I can see them being overtaken by younger legs as the season progresses.

The next are quality players that need to find their best fitness/form:

·        Hunt (F)

·        Vandenberg (M/F)

·        Neal-Bullen (F/M)

·        Hore (B)

·        O McDonald (B)

·        Weideman (F)

·        Preuss (R/F)

·        Hannan (M/F)

·        J Wagner (B)

These players are of a quality that can step up into he first 2 hen required but we need a few of them to make the move into the ‘core’ group. I am referring to Hunt, VDB, ANB, Hore and Weideman. OMac is there about but needs to have the player around him for support.

Smith (F) is another I have in this group but is one that I see making a big step up this season if he can stay injury free.

Petty (B/F) is an interesting one. I like what I saw of him at the end of the season. Has a bit of an edge to him and has a bit of confidence in himself as well as ability. Injury free could establish himself.

Third group are the young developing/new players;

·        Spargo (F)

·        Baker (M)

These two have played a bit of senior footy but almost need to take a tep back to move forward. Spargo will not be helped with a pre-season injury he is suffering.

Also in this group that we wait to see their development are;

·        Bedford (F)

·        Jordan (M)

·        Neitschke (M)

·        Sparrow (M)

·        Jackson (R/F/M)

·        Pickett (F)

·        Rivers (B/M)

I expect that all of these may well pick up a game or two during the season and it will be up to them to see if they can keep a place.

Lastly, Rookies. It seems to me that the rules are in place now that you can use these guys as you see fit. I know there are rules but the rules now are a lot more relaxed than they used to be.

·        Chandler (F)

·        C Wagner (M/F)

·        Lockhart (F/M)

·        Dunkley (M)

·        Bradtke (R)

All of them except for Bradtke will have roles to play at some time during the season.

My present team with the gaps filled is:

Backs:                  Lever. May. Jetta

HB:                        Salem. OMac Harmes

MIDS:                   Tomlinson. Oliver. Langdon

HF:                        Melksham. Weideman. Petracca

Forwards:            Fitsch. TMac. AN-B

Ruck:                    Gawn. Viney. Brayshaw

I/C                         Hunt, VDB, Jones, Petty

Back 6 have a lot of experienced heads but would need good reactive match coaching to cover the players. Tomlinson, Petty, Jones and Hunt have flexibility to cover any problems back there during a game.

Front 6 Is about as good as we can expect. VDB, Petty and Tomlinson can all go forward with a resting mid to cove there.

Mids running off max look good. In that 22 there are 13 players that can rotate through the center.

Good analysis. I'd reckon Bennell may be a 2020 smokey if things pan out favourably for him in terms of preparation and readiness. I still see OMac as a risk anywhere outside of the Casey team.