TRAINING: Monday 9th December 2019

[binman 39,003]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

I hate to [censored] on the party

But this drill went for about 10 minutes, prior to the one mark recorded Jackson wasn't getting near it because of the bigger and more experienced bodies

A good learning experience 

 

Not basing my comments on that clip. More so his highlight vids. Though they are pretty brief too I guess.

Still I'll back my eye and to me he looks a natural.

[Satyriconhome 9,993]

12 minutes ago, binman said:

Not basing my comments on that clip. More so his highlight vids. Though they are pretty brief too I guess.

Still I'll back my eye and to me he looks a natural.

Watching him train, as I have said, can see why we went for him at 3

In the aforementioned marking drill, Steven May went out of his way to knock Jackson around, exactly what he needs to get used to

I just want him to be given all the time he needs

[Satyriconhome 9,993]

1 hour ago, 640MD said:

and so I think,  he should, his big body running around our forward line gives opposition defenders very serious doubts as to whether or not they are about to be crunched by a B double truck   or not.  It causes indecision which in turn creates opportunity for our guys !!

He also worked with the mids at one point, in wing role, happily buried Ed Langdon into the turf

[Demonland 66,180]

6 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

In the aforementioned marking drill, Steven May went out of his way to knock Jackson around, exactly what he needs to get used to

 

Just now, Satyriconhome said:

He also worked with the mids at one point, in wing role, happily buried Ed Langdon into the turf

Like both of these things.

[Demon Disciple 11,089]

Needs to know how to cope it, but then be confident enough to give it out as well.

He's gonna be a big lad, better to learn to throw the weight around sooner rather than later

Edited December 10, 2019 by Demon Disciple

[640MD 2,961]

AFL or other senior footy,  is not, the natural play ground for those with the softer or more gentle disposition.

Rather you need more mongrel than pure breed, hungry more than laid back (for personal success, team success, the ball, to beat your opponent), and a hard at it training regime rather than just purely fitness and running. (though both these help). 

and other things play apart I am sure.

I often think a guy who is a plumbers apprentice would be a better choice rather than a champion public school lad whose father runs a successful company and has 6 cars in the garage.

 

Go Dees !!

[dieter 3,325]

2 minutes ago, 640MD said:

and other things play apart I am sure.

I'm sure they do! 

Interesting sociological insight about plumber apprentices also. On the other hand, I always said it would be very handy to include among one's suite of friends at least one plumber, an electrician, a copper, a solicitor, a dentist, a chemist, a physician, a surgeon and a builder and these days a landscape gardener. Perhaps this could be the prototype for the most successful footy team, a team that has everything.

Then again, apart from penicillin, what else can you give a man who's got everything?

[drysdale demon 4,193]

26 minutes ago, dieter said:

what else can you give a man who's got everything?

The Sh..ts

[Salems Lot 2,392]

54 minutes ago, 640MD said:

AFL or other senior footy,  is not, the natural play ground for those with the softer or more gentle disposition.

Rather you need more mongrel than pure breed, hungry more than laid back (for personal success, team success, the ball, to beat your opponent), and a hard at it training regime rather than just purely fitness and running. (though both these help). 

and other things play apart I am sure.

I often think a guy who is a plumbers apprentice would be a better choice rather than a champion public school lad whose father runs a successful company and has 6 cars in the garage.

 

Go Dees !!

Where do I fit in - a private school boy who became a carpenter?  Blimey I am so confused by rash generalisations ?

[Satyriconhome 9,993]

7 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

Where do I fit in - a private school boy who became a carpenter?  Blimey I am so confused by rash generalisations ?

Rash generalisations?

Isn't that what the penicillin is for?

[640MD 2,961]

4 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

Where do I fit in - a private school boy who became a carpenter?  Blimey I am so confused by rash generalisations ?

But did you excel at football in your school and get drafted,  probably not.   My apologies if  you are offended.

Yes they are generalisations and every one has subtle influences or sometimes major ones on character and ability.

I hope you are happy being a carpenter and that your a good one.     Their music was great.   sorry just a joke.

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

1 hour ago, 640MD said:

AFL or other senior footy,  is not, the natural play ground for those with the softer or more gentle disposition.

Rather you need more mongrel than pure breed, hungry more than laid back (for personal success, team success, the ball, to beat your opponent), and a hard at it training regime rather than just purely fitness and running. (though both these help). 

and other things play apart I am sure.

When I think thus,  i think  'Kissy Pickett'.

[Deemania since 56 6,224]

3 hours ago, 640MD said:

and so I think,  he should, his big body running around our forward line gives opposition defenders very serious doubts as to whether or not they are about to be crunched by a B double truck   or not.  It causes indecision which in turn creates opportunity for our guys !!

In the parlance of footballing purity of thought, AVB is an agent of indecision within the competitive moment. I really liked the reference to a B-double truck, because that is what I am waiting to see. Such an anticipation is not a blood lust, it is its effect that it has on the rest of the game - and you summed it up perfectly as '... indecision which in turn creates opportunity for our guys...' . 

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

27 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

Where do I fit in - a private school boy who became a carpenter?  Blimey I am so confused by rash generalisations ?

R U alike Toumpass, Jamie Bennell,  or Morton,  perhaps a cook ?

[Salems Lot 2,392]

3 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

R U alike Toumpass, Jamie Bennell,  or Morton,  perhaps a cook ?

More of a billy nettlefold I reckon!

[Deemania since 56 6,224]

1 hour ago, dieter said:

Then again, apart from penicillin, what else can you give a man who's got everything?

Reminds me of the story of a merchant navy sailor just getting off the ship in Port Melbourne, with eight months of pay in his pocket, heading for the pub across the road. He passes a lady of the night leaning against the pub entrance, who asks:

'Hi, Big Boy, lookin' for something different?'

To which he asks in return: 'Why, what have you got, leprosy?'

 

[Mel Bourne 3,847]

1 hour ago, 640MD said:

AFL or other senior footy,  is not, the natural play ground for those with the softer or more gentle disposition.

Rather you need more mongrel than pure breed, hungry more than laid back (for personal success, team success, the ball, to beat your opponent), and a hard at it training regime rather than just purely fitness and running. (though both these help). 

and other things play apart I am sure.

I often think a guy who is a plumbers apprentice would be a better choice rather than a champion public school lad whose father runs a successful company and has 6 cars in the garage.

 

Go Dees !!

Then Lockhart and Fritsch are your guys! 

[Stretch Johnson 2,586]

4 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Just not a fan of hyperbole 

From what I have seen at training, can see why we went with pick 3

But let's wait and see

Sick of this site building up players only to knock them down again

Same with Pickett, Bedford has been developing nicely but without the fanfare

Progress?

I believe that all should be free to discuss the pros and cons of a footballer on a football discussion site.

I'm a bit of a radical.

[Satyriconhome 9,993]

5 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Progress?

I believe that all should be free to discuss the pros and cons of a footballer on a football discussion site.

I'm a bit of a radical.

 

 In the training threads there is opportunity for completely different opinions or interpretations to be expressed by track watchers, which is a healthy thing and for readers to follow up with their opinion

No opinion is right or wrong, I just don't like the building up of players for them to be then knocked down

From what I have seen Jackson has the basis to be a very good AFL player, but there is a long eay to go

He took one mark in a drill where for the rest of the time he couldn't get near it

Next time, in the same drill, hopefully  he will have learnt and he takes a few more and so on

[Stretch Johnson 2,586]

1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

 In the training threads there is opportunity for completely different opinions or interpretations to be expressed by track watchers, which is a healthy thing and for readers to follow up with their opinion

 

If you honestly believe that then kudos, you just made Demonland a better place.

[Harrisonrules 273]

2 hours ago, 640MD said:

AFL or other senior footy,  is not, the natural play ground for those with the softer or more gentle disposition.

Rather you need more mongrel than pure breed, hungry more than laid back (for personal success, team success, the ball, to beat your opponent), and a hard at it training regime rather than just purely fitness and running. (though both these help). 

and other things play apart I am sure.

I often think a guy who is a plumbers apprentice would be a better choice rather than a champion public school lad whose father runs a successful company and has 6 cars in the garage.

 

Go Dees !!

Give me a country boy any day. Preferably a farmer. Go Tom, but what happened to Oscar. Did you board him in a city private school where he played Golf all day. He had to learn something there

Edited December 10, 2019 by Harrisonrules

[58er 5,649]

6 minutes ago, Harrisonrules said:

Give me a country boy any day. Preferably a farmer. Go Tom, but what happened to Oscar. Did you board him in a city private school where he played Golf all day. He had to learn something there

Not too late for Oscar to show his mongrel side. Has put on muscle which is a good start.

How about  we give all players on the list our unqualified support (no matter the past) and see where this year of fitness and change takes us.

I have a feeling the List is  as motivated and challenging and fit as we have ever seen them. It's like making a whole new start and there are no limitations on any one so don't be surprised if we team together like 2018 but even better.

 The Coaches snd fitness staff appear right onto every thing and I can't think of too many decisions since the end of 2019 season that haven been for the benefit of the Club.

Its early days yet but genuine belief and excitement is growing with a lot of D/L pundits and only the negative nellies can't see better times ahead in 2020.

[640MD 2,961]

1 hour ago, Mel Bourne said:

Then Lockhart and Fritsch are your guys! 

Quite possibly,   a bit of High Visibility Vests running around never hurts,    they might be a little bit hungry or to succeed at Football might mean just a little more.

I have hopes,  for such a turn around with Bennell,   its all up to him,  he sure has the ability, maybe with a family and being 27, he might have the hunger again.

 

Go Dees     2020   seems a good year to me..

[jnrmac 19,272]

16 hours ago, 58er said:

Not too late for Oscar to show his mongrel side. Has put on muscle which is a good start.

I am in the camp that says this almost never happens. It's largely an inate trait

Altho I did see him being quite aggressive in a training clip so hope springs eternal.