9 hours ago, old dee said:

A sizeable number of the Population are racist, some countries have higher ratios than others but humans are still basically tribal/racist.

I dont ever see that changing in fact it is probably getting worse.

I have ( because there is little I can do about ) accepted that these things will keep happening.

i just voice my disapproval and get on with life. 

Agree with most of your podt OD, although I think it's slowly improving but it's going to always be there unfortunately.

4 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Agree with most of your podt OD, although I think it's slowly improving but it's going to always be there unfortunately.

You , rjay and dc have brightened my day PSD however I must move in different circles because I don't see improvement.

However you all cannot be wrong so I will try harder to see it.

 

I thought this thread would be about other matters....? bad headline on demonland.

1 hour ago, old dee said:

You , rjay and dc have brightened my day PSD however I must move in different circles because I don't see improvement.

However you all cannot be wrong so I will try harder to see it.

 

I see it in the younger generation OD, although I must say I think we see and hear of it more often with social media providing a platform for cowards.

It was always there before just we didn't see it reported as much and people spoke against it a lot less because unfortunately it was accepted in certain circles 

14 hours ago, demonstone said:

They're the latest lot of pejoratives trotted out by the right,  in the vein of "politically correct" as an insult.

It might still take some time for you to see why things are what they are globally. Racism , immigration etc are not left/ right issues as much as the left wishes they were.

Not all conservatives are racist nor  are all left wingers pure of heart.

Controlling speech Is no solution.

Political correctness is still a modern evil.

Despising political correctness does not make someone a racist.

There is a nuance that gets lost by the “woke”.

 

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, Biffen said:

It might still take some time for you to see why things are what they are globally. Racism , immigration etc are not left/ right issues as much as the left wishes they were.

Not all conservatives are racist nor  are all left wingers pure of heart.

Controlling speech Is no solution.

Political correctness is still a modern evil.

Despising political correctness does not make someone a racist.

There is a nuance that gets lost by the “woke”.

 

 

 

 

Ssshh. Quiet Biffen you might make too much common sense.

I would like to think that under PM Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand is improving as a destination of preference for a lot of people from other places around the world. I have heard it mentioned internationally as a peaceful place, especially since what happened and the way it was handled. Not so much Australia any more......i have been there and i know the history, especially J Cook.

21 minutes ago, willmoy said:

I would like to think that under PM Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand is improving as a destination of preference for a lot of people from other places around the world. I have heard it mentioned internationally as a peaceful place, especially since what happened and the way it was handled. Not so much Australia any more......i have been there and i know the history, especially J Cook.

Did you know J Cook  popped in to N Z also?

Don't let an opportunity to divide society pass you by!

Tell us more about “destinations of preference”.

Please educate us all!!

My personal D of P is Monaco.

I’m going to waltz in Sans papier and claim asylum.Worth a shot!

2 hours ago, Biffen said:

Political correctness is still a modern evil.

What is political correctness 'Biffen'?

Can you define it?

To me it seems like some catch all for anyone who doesn't like a particular view.

7 minutes ago, rjay said:

What is political correctness 'Biffen'?

Can you define it?

To me it seems like some catch all for anyone who doesn't like a particular view.

I’d describe it as an attempt to control speech and in doing so to imply a sense of moral superiority by the controller.

You know like that fraud Trudeau who corrected a guy that said mankind by saying “ we say peoplekind now” .

The same guy that got around India in traditional Indian attire for weeks then later got caught out in “brown face” twice.

It’s a symbolic hypocrisy mostly used by mostly white people who carry needless guilt or shame and project it upon others.

Hope I cleared that up.

 

16 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

It will continue to get worse thanks to social media.  These people now have a platform to share their 'views' to millions of people and, thus, the above happens far more than it should.  

It's disgraceful behaviour, but what can we do about it?  Everything put in place doesn't necessarily seem to be working all that well.  We continue to bring more and more attention to it, yet it seems to be happening more than ever.

 

16 hours ago, old dee said:

Sadly I agree 100%. 

But at the same time social media is providing the vehicle to bring it all to the surface. It’s ugly and distasteful but people are being exposed and this exposure is having a far reaching effect on current generations. 
 

It will never stop in my opinion but it’s certainly shrinking at an increased rate thanks to social media. 

12 minutes ago, McQueen said:

 

But at the same time social media is providing the vehicle to bring it all to the surface. It’s ugly and distasteful but people are being exposed and this exposure is having a far reaching effect on current generations. 
 

It will never stop in my opinion but it’s certainly shrinking at an increased rate thanks to social media. 

Sadly I struggle to agree Steve.

6 minutes ago, old dee said:

Sadly I struggle to agree Steve.

I wish it was clear cut as well mate but society is made up of some pretty special individuals. 

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

I wish it was clear cut as well mate but society is made up of some pretty special individuals. 

agree, and then there is the virtue-signalling hypocrites like bransom and joyce and organised religion et al.

i blame population explosion for igniting these baser sides of human nature. 8 billion [censored] people and climbing exponentially. 44 years ago it was just half that figure.....think about it. solyent green may be just where it's heading after all

Edited November 16, 20195 yr by daisycutter
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It exists all over....

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

agree, and then there is the virtue-signalling hypocrites like bransom and joyce and organised religion et al.

i blame population explosion for igniting these baser sides of human nature. 8 billion [censored] people and climbing exponentially. 44 years ago it was just half that figure.....think about it. solyent green may be just where it's heading after all

WHAT IS THE SECRET OF SOYLENT GREEN

4 minutes ago, McQueen said:

WHAT IS THE SECRET OF SOYLENT GREEN

well it aint soy and lentils.........

2 hours ago, Biffen said:

I’d describe it as an attempt to control speech and in doing so to imply a sense of moral superiority by the controller.

You know like that fraud Trudeau who corrected a guy that said mankind by saying “ we say peoplekind now” .

The same guy that got around India in traditional Indian attire for weeks then later got caught out in “brown face” twice.

It’s a symbolic hypocrisy mostly used by mostly white people who carry needless guilt or shame and project it upon others.

Hope I cleared that up.

 

In this particular case (Liam Ryan)...do you think it's ok for someone to say what he or she said or under freedom of speech are they free to say whatever they want?

6 minutes ago, rjay said:

In this particular case (Liam Ryan)...do you think it's ok for someone to say what he or she said or under freedom of speech are they free to say whatever they want?

what did they say? you can pm if you prefer

3 hours ago, Biffen said:

I’d describe it as an attempt to control speech and in doing so to imply a sense of moral superiority by the controller.

You know like that fraud Trudeau who corrected a guy that said mankind by saying “ we say peoplekind now” .

The same guy that got around India in traditional Indian attire for weeks then later got caught out in “brown face” twice.

It’s a symbolic hypocrisy mostly used by mostly white people who carry needless guilt or shame and project it upon others.

Hope I cleared that up.

 

Sorry, I think you are forgetting the old poitical correctness (which most of us oldies can recall) that preceded the new PC. That speech control  washed over many of us as 'natural', just as a lot of modern PC probably washes over many youngsters. 

Of course anything can be taken to extremes - in fact I'm reading a book by that notorious left-winger Ben Elton who takes the [censored] out of such extremes, but is really satirising the rise of social media manipulation.  But I believe many people who whinge most about PC are simply conservatives who at bottom either dislike or are a best uncomfortable with changing attitudes that many others see as progress to a nicer world.  Calling something PC is often just an easy put-down you reactionary trogdolyte (see what I did there....?)

As for Trudeau, the fact that years ago he was in 'brown face' and he now proclaims liberal views, does not make him a hypocrite.  It simply shows his and society's views as to what's insulting have changed. He'd be a hypocrite if he wore 'brown face' today.

3 minutes ago, sue said:

Sorry, I think you are forgetting the old poitical correctness (which most of us oldies can recall) that preceded the new PC. That speech control  washed over many of us as 'natural', just as a lot of modern PC probably washes over many youngsters. 

Of course anything can be taken to extremes - in fact I'm reading a book by that notorious left-winger Ben Elton who takes the [censored] out of such extremes, but is really satirising the rise of social media manipulation.  But I believe many people who whinge most about PC are simply conservatives who at bottom either dislike or are a best uncomfortable with changing attitudes that many others see as progress to a nicer world.  Calling something PC is often just an easy put-down you reactionary trogdolyte (see what I did there....?)

As for Trudeau, the fact that years ago he was in 'brown face' and he now proclaims liberal views, does not make him a hypocrite.  It simply shows his and society's views as to what's insulting have changed. He'd be a hypocrite if he wore 'brown face' today.

devil's advocate here.

so why is it ok now for those of the neo political correct to call for the removal of statues (etc) for historical figures whose behaviour mirrored society's views at that time?

I don't really need an answer

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

devil's advocate here.

so why is it ok now for those of the neo political correct to call for the removal of statues (etc) for historical figures whose behaviour mirrored society's views at that time?

I don't really need an answer

The people we should really fear as those who want to rewrite history. It should be there warts and all.

Edited November 16, 20195 yr by old dee

Change is frustratingly glacial, and experiencing an unusual amount of turbulence of late. But I’m heartened by a lot of kids I know and their general lack of prejudice compared to the vibe of the playgrounds in the 80s. Australian society needs to be vigilant about it’s education system. The idea of living amongst a (further) under-educated population is one of the thoughts that keep me up at night. The other is our forward line. 

It will never change.    Humans are humans.  We are all deeply flawed.

7 minutes ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

It will never change.    Humans are humans.  We are all deeply flawed.

We might be deeply flawed 'Jako' but I prefer not just giving in.

Things do change no matter how slowly, the optimist in me is hopeful.