On 09/10/2019 at 11:13, don't make me angry said:

I got 3 words for his season second year blues, he is not slow or too short, just think Daniels at the dogs, most players have the second year blues after having a good first year.

Oh for gods sake his first year was average, he was gifted games because the alternatives were injured most of the year. 

I love his attitude, but i just think he's an unfortunately limited footballer at this stage. very happy to be proven wrong but not seen enough to suggest he's gunna make it at this stage.

  On 09/10/2019 at 13:25, Patches O’houlihan said:

I love his attitude, but i just think he's an unfortunately limited footballer at this stage. very happy to be proven wrong but not seen enough to suggest he's gunna make it at this stage.

I'm in the same camp, he showed a bit in his first year but for me seems to be limited in his bag of tricks. For a small player he's not quick or has a great ability to jump high, disposal is ok but nothing special. I wouldn't be able to tell you his best position.

  On 09/10/2019 at 13:25, Patches O’houlihan said:

I love his attitude, but i just think he's an unfortunately limited footballer at this stage. very happy to be proven wrong but not seen enough to suggest he's gunna make it at this stage.

He will be alright that's the problem with the world today no one has patience. 

 

  On 09/10/2019 at 12:35, old dee said:

Oh for gods sake his first year was average, he was gifted games because the alternatives were injured most of the year. 

it was good for a first year player and he kept garlett out of the side who was not injured. Gifted no he played his role, your opinions about players don't mean much, you know nothing what do you expect a Superstars in first year

I think his 2018 season is overrated on Demonland. His best game by far was his debut and he has been positively mediocre since with a couple of ok games thrown in every once in a while.

No real evidence of second year blues for mine, 2019 is about par. Just a fair way off AFL standard at this stage.

  On 09/10/2019 at 19:58, Radar Detector said:

I think his 2018 season is overrated on Demonland. His best game by far was his debut and he has been positively mediocre since with a couple of ok games thrown in every once in a while.

No real evidence of second year blues for mine, 2019 is about par. Just a fair way off AFL standard at this stage.

Spot on RD. He is not even in the top 5 when playing at Casey.

In regard to Spargo’s Casey form..... I agree, he doesn’t stand out.

I reckon it’s harder for small players to stand out In the  VFL  ,since there are more undersize players at that level.

The AFL has many tall players,like Cripps  and Fyfe at 6 ft 4 playing midfield.

When the ball hits the ground , players like a Caleb Daniel and Spargo have an advantage against the tall guys.Spargo showed this as a 19 yr old in the 2018 finals.

I’m hopeful he’ll return to that form in 2020.

Love his attitude but what are his weapons? Not tall, not fast, nor great closing speed so not a great defensive tackler. Can’t kick more than 40m so what have we got? Admittedly the above commentary would describe Diesel Williams of course, too small, too slow but he had that undefinable quality of being where the ball is or is going to. That skill you cannot teach or acquire, you have it or not. No sign that Spargo has that skill that I have seen. 

  On 08/10/2019 at 22:53, poita said:

Most players on AFL lists, particularly those drafted in the first 2 rounds, you can look at and see some faint reason why they are playing at the highest level, even if they don't ultimately make it as a long term player.

There is nothing about Spargo that suggests he belongs - too small, too slow, doesn't kick goals, mediocre disposal and decision making, doesn't win his own ball, doesn't tackle well, constantly in the wrong position.

I assume he is a nice guy and works hard on the training track, hence we extended his initial contract. I can't imagine he will get another contract without ticking off most of the items listed by CB in the previous post.

In fairness he did show glimpses of something in 2018.

He can’t be that far off the mark if he’s kicking 2 goals and setting up others in a high stakes semi final.

an encouraging 2018 was let down by a diabolical 2019

he had a fair whack of injury this year and he clearly stagnated in a poor side

interesting that they tried him further up the ground in the latter stages - he doesn't seem like a natural ballwinner like caleb daniel, so i'm pretty uncertain as to what 'role' he can - groom him as small defender?

  On 09/10/2019 at 12:35, old dee said:

Oh for gods sake his first year was average, he was gifted games because the alternatives were injured most of the year. 

I strongly disagree with this. The reason he kept getting games was because the disposals he was getting were high value. 

In 2018, he averaged 12.2 disposals and 5.2 score involvements. That's 414th for average disposals but 134th for score involvements, which indicates reach of his disposals was much more likely to contribute to us scoring than your average player. 

My impression of Spargo was that he was regularly "creating value": a clever knock to advantage, changing lanes to get us clear, finding a man in space instead of taking the first option.

I wanted to see him get 20 touches instead of 12, to be truly damaging. But I thought there was enough clever stuff there to give him time. 

  On 13/10/2019 at 11:02, deanox said:

I strongly disagree with this. The reason he kept getting games was because the disposals he was getting were high value. 

In 2018, he averaged 12.2 disposals and 5.2 score involvements. That's 414th for average disposals but 134th for score involvements, which indicates reach of his disposals was much more likely to contribute to us scoring than your average player. 

My impression of Spargo was that he was regularly "creating value": a clever knock to advantage, changing lanes to get us clear, finding a man in space instead of taking the first option.

I wanted to see him get 20 touches instead of 12, to be truly damaging. But I thought there was enough clever stuff there to give him time. 

We are just going to disagree I guess.

  On 13/10/2019 at 11:11, old dee said:

We are just going to disagree I guess.

Yeah that's fine. I'm not convinced he'll make it, but I would think it's unfair to say he wasn't showing something in his first year, and the disposal to score involvement ratio shows he did manage to find himself involved in scoring chains at a higher rate than a lot of players. That might be coincidental, given our high scoring, but it does seem to support my observations. 

I won't be unhappy if he makes it, that's for sure. 

  On 14/10/2019 at 10:54, deanox said:

Yeah that's fine. I'm not convinced he'll make it, but I would think it's unfair to say he wasn't showing something in his first year, and the disposal to score involvement ratio shows he did manage to find himself involved in scoring chains at a higher rate than a lot of players. That might be coincidental, given our high scoring, but it does seem to support my observations. 

I won't be unhappy if he makes it, that's for sure. 

I will be surprised but not unhappy deanox. 

  On 13/10/2019 at 11:02, deanox said:

I strongly disagree with this. The reason he kept getting games was because the disposals he was getting were high value. 

In 2018, he averaged 12.2 disposals and 5.2 score involvements. That's 414th for average disposals but 134th for score involvements, which indicates reach of his disposals was much more likely to contribute to us scoring than your average player. 

My impression of Spargo was that he was regularly "creating value": a clever knock to advantage, changing lanes to get us clear, finding a man in space instead of taking the first option.

I wanted to see him get 20 touches instead of 12, to be truly damaging. But I thought there was enough clever stuff there to give him time. 

Garry Ablett in his first season averaged 8 disposals in 12 games and 10 goals. Spargo first season, 18 games, average of 12 disposals and 14 goals. Ablett did not have second year blues though and managed to improve in his second season. Played some great games but also a few poor ones. Spargo is worth persevering with. Not as talented but just as smart. 

 

 

Edited October 15, 20195 yr by america de cali

  On 15/10/2019 at 00:39, america de cali said:

Garry Ablett in his first season averaged 8 disposals in 12 games and 10 goals. Spargo first season, 18 games, average of 12 disposals and 14 goals. Ablett did not have second year blues though and managed to improve in his second season. Played some great games but also a few poor ones. Spargo is worth persevering with. Not as talented but just as smart. 

 

 

Are you comparing the potentiality of Spargo becoming an Ablett with your analogy??

If so I think this an outrageous assesment!

How do you percieve footy smarts??

Finally IMV Spargo is NOT worth perservering with and if he gets games next year, the club as a whole, is going Backwards.

Just my opinion! 

 

 

  On 11/10/2019 at 09:17, Earl Hood said:

Love his attitude but what are his weapons? Not tall, not fast, nor great closing speed so not a great defensive tackler. Can’t kick more than 40m so what have we got? Admittedly the above commentary would describe Diesel Williams of course, too small, too slow but he had that undefinable quality of being where the ball is or is going to. That skill you cannot teach or acquire, you have it or not. No sign that Spargo has that skill that I have seen. 

Agree

  On 11/10/2019 at 13:23, whatwhatsaywhat said:

an encouraging 2018 was let down by a diabolical 2019

he had a fair whack of injury this year and he clearly stagnated in a poor side

interesting that they tried him further up the ground in the latter stages - he doesn't seem like a natural ballwinner like caleb daniel, so i'm pretty uncertain as to what 'role' he can - groom him as small defender?

Exactly. Not a midfielder.  Not a small forward.  Doesn’t have the tools, strength, skills, pace to make it imo. Smarts ok. But need to get the footy first. 

I have called him "Alien 3" for a while now...... ( Google the movie.... Absolutely no weapons)

Cant take a contested mark, cant get a crumb, cant make a tackle hurt, cant kick much more than 40m.

Spends more time shaking the hair out of his eyes than he does with ball in hand. Endeavor yes, talent no.

Cant see him making it.

As always though, i hope he makes a total fool out of me and becomes a star for the club.

Just because i dont rate him, doesnt mean i dont hope for the best for the kid. If i lose, the team wins and i will take that any day of the week.

Edited October 15, 20195 yr by ding
Geez that was a crap post to bring up 2000..... should have made it a positive one.

  On 09/10/2019 at 10:10, Gawn's Beard said:

Sam Mitchell made a pretty good career out of being slow, small but having an excellent football brain. 

Not saying Spargo is comparable to Mitchell but you don’t have to be quick, tall and kick 60m to be a superstar. 

Hopefully Spargo too can become the completely dual sided kicker and best handballer in the comp Mitchell was. Here's hoping...

Delist

  On 15/10/2019 at 10:14, ding said:

I have called him "Alien 3" for a while now...... ( Google the movie.... Absolutely no weapons)

Cant take a contested mark, cant get a crumb, cant make a tackle hurt, cant kick much more than 40m.

Spends more time shaking the hair out of his eyes than he does with ball in hand. Endeavor yes, talent no.

Cant see him making it.

As always though, i hope he makes a total fool out of me and becomes a star for the club.

Just because i dont rate him, doesnt mean i dont hope for the best for the kid. If i lose, the team wins and i will take that any day of the week.

Similar attitude here

  On 08/10/2019 at 22:53, poita said:

Most players on AFL lists, particularly those drafted in the first 2 rounds, you can look at and see some faint reason why they are playing at the highest level, even if they don't ultimately make it as a long term player.

There is nothing about Spargo that suggests he belongs - too small, too slow, doesn't kick goals, mediocre disposal and decision making, doesn't win his own ball, doesn't tackle well, constantly in the wrong position.

I assume he is a nice guy and works hard on the training track, hence we extended his initial contract. I can't imagine he will get another contract without ticking off most of the items listed by CB in the previous post.

I think you are being hard on a guy who is a part of a Team. To develop he needs to have the rest of the team around him playing well.. Charlie has played some very good games particularly towards the end of 2018 season when we were in finals contention . Frankly all players were down last year not the least was Charlie. He is not a Garlett who to me was a self interested $$ player and I liken him to Jeff Farmer, he has shown his best and his best is good.

Give him a go in 2020 when we have outside mids, when we have, hopefully fewer injuries, when we have a team wanting to do their best and I am confident he will be around the 22 mark,