Brownlow Medal 2019

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

That’s a big call. You are saying that amateurs on DL, would not do a better job than fully paid, resourced, recruiting teams, who spend ALL their working life, for up to two years at a time, studying and assessing young footballers as to their possible future ability in the AFL.

Let me go out on a limb like you just did. I say that most posters on  DL, could not do brain surgery, as well as Australia’s leading Neurosurgeons.

 

Amateurs versus incompetents. 

[drysdale demon 4,830]

4 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

 

Called out again?

Wanna borrow my shovel?

Called out by who ? All the armchair experts on here who wouldn't poop from clay?

[Sir Why You Little 36,963]

19 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

They posted this clip during the pre-season and have to admit got me excited for the year when watching.
Then to produce what they did ....... "Whos fight , Our fight!" 
Pffft.

I know exactly what you mean.  

The absolute lack of “Walk the Walk” with the obligatory excuses lined up. 

How many players from The Filth Richmond and GW$ missed large slabs of the year, yet still managed to find a way...

That is the Leadership and Resolve I do not see at the MFC

[rjay 24,870]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You May think Jones and Viney were great in 2019, but i believe they were a major reason we crashed out

Can you read 'SWYL'?

Or do you only see what you want and make up the rest.

There is no way in any post I have written this season that would indicate I think Jones & Viney were great in 2019.

In fact I've stated numerous times that both should not be Captains next year and you've liked those posts, so I'm guessing you've read & agree.

I don't think they are a major reason we crashed though, there was not just one thing.

A major one for me is that the list is not as good as many thought.

We're working to build it and make it better but this season shows we are not there yet...

[Sir Why You Little 36,963]

10 minutes ago, rjay said:

Can you read 'SWYL'?

Or do you only see what you want and make up the rest.

There is no way in any post I have written this season that would indicate I think Jones & Viney were great in 2019.

In fact I've stated numerous times that both should not be Captains next year and you've liked those posts, so I'm guessing you've read & agree.

I don't think they are a major reason we crashed though, there was not just one thing.

A major one for me is that the list is not as good as many thought.

We're working to build it and make it better but this season shows we are not there yet...

Ok. The major difference is that you do not rate Leadership nearly as high as I do. 

The List always needs tinkering, that is a given, but I have worked in the same Department when Leadership was prevalent and when it was atrocious and the differences were Light years apart. 

Look at Brisvegas and there improvements, that is all about Leadership. We will know very quickly whether the club is serious m

Gawn will either be sole Captain or not

[Redleg 40,831]

1 hour ago, Fork 'em said:

And yet often get it so wrong.
These people are like weather men.

Does 50years experience watching the Top level count?

Perhaps then we could ask some kids from the local kinder to do our recruiting.

[Fork 'em 6,983]

11 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Perhaps then we could ask some kids from the local kinder to do our recruiting.

That how I feel about our recruiters.

[Moonshadow 17,675]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

Can you read 'SWYL'?

Or do you only see what you want and make up the rest.

 

In a nutshell.

[waynewussell 5,283]

Paul Roos and Graeme Yeats reflect on Nathan Jones’ brilliant, loyal journey to 250 games

Roos recalled a 25-year-old who immediately struck him as a “really good person”, who was relentlessly committed to a club that had gifted him just six total wins across 2012 and 2013.

“The first impression was probably just his character. I mean, really good fella,” Roos tells foxfooty.com.au.

“There’s such a correlation between good people and good footballers, so that was probably the thing – just a really good person, loved his family, loved his footy club, really was there for the right reasons.

“That’s probably the first thing that really struck me, there was no pretentiousness about him or arrogance – what you see is what you get.

“So that was sort of the main thing that really struck me, what a good person he was. I really enjoyed working with him.”

Roos appointed Jones co-captain alongside Jack Grimes ahead of his first season in 2014.

At the end of that season, the Dees skipper repaid the faith, signing a four-year contract extension through to the end of 2019.

If the red and blue faithful loved the hard-nosed midfielder before that decision, they were totally enamoured with Jones after.

[waynewussell 5,283]

David Schwarz says that Melbourne co-captain Nathan Jones’ performance against Gold Coast on Saturday was the perfect captain’s game, believing the midfielder was the difference between the two sides.

The 29-year-old collected 27 disposals, six marks and five tackles and booted three goals as the Demons overturned a five goal margin halfway through the third quarter to run out 35-point winners.

 

Schwarz says that Jones will undoubtedly receive the three Brownlow votes for the game at season’s end.

“That was a captain’s game,” the former Melbourne forward said on SEN’s The Run Home.

“He had to come into the middle. They needed something… they were in trouble and he just said ‘right boys, let’s go.’ You know what you get out of him, 100 per cent.”

“He’ll get the three votes on the weekend, he was the difference in getting Melbourne over the line.”

[waynewussell 5,283]

Nathan Jones will captain his 119th game for the Demons on Saturday, equalling Garry Lyon and Allan La Fontaine’s record.

This will see Jones rise to equal third place in club history for games captained, behind David Neitz (175 games) and Robert Flower (127 games).

Lyon believes Jones has conducted himself wonderfully as a leader of the Demons, particularly in difficult times.

“He could be arguably one of the most successful captains in the history of football,” the former Melbourne skipper told SEN.com.au.

“He’s found himself in a football club at a time when they were going through a really tough period, a tumultuous period.

“The temptation to go elsewhere would’ve been strong and he chose to stay. Him choosing to stay helped Melbourne pull themselves out of the mine.

“He was a really pivotal part of that, not only as a player but a leader because there was drama and uncertainty.

“Some of our greatest players wouldn't have experienced what Nathan’s experienced.

“He’s had a unique insight into footy, I mean he’s as well-rounded as any captain because he’s seen such drama and upheaval.

“But all the while, he maintained this incredibly high standard through it all, both from a playing point of view and also the way he conducted himself.”

[waynewussell 5,283]

I thought it time to right the ship on Nathan Jones' captaincy... After the character assassination conducted by a few Demonlanders, its worth returning to the real world!

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

9 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

I thought it time to right the ship on Nathan Jones' captaincy... After the character assassination conducted by a few Demonlanders, its worth returning to the real world!

Well you quoted this.

“He could be arguably one of the most successful captains in the history of football”

 

Edited September 24, 2019 by america de cali

[waynewussell 5,283]

The doubters need do no more than listen to the commentary from the 33 second mark

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

7 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

The doubters need do no more than listen to the commentary from the 33 second mark

Typical Jones signature play. Hanging out 20 metres from the forward contest waiting for the ball to come out for him to score a cheapie. Relies on others to apply the forward pressure. If the ball turns over  it’s swept away to the other end with Jones casually jogging behind. Been happening every game this season. Commentators do what commentators do.

Edited September 24, 2019 by america de cali

[waynewussell 5,283]

...and Trolls do what Trolls do!

[Sir Why You Little 36,963]

Wow. Such soft propaganda 

2020. More jogging around. That is the only reality worth anything. 

The real world 

[jumbo returns 6,737]

Look at that crowd

We need to stay competitive year after year after year after year after year

[Cards13 9,117]

6 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

A few things stuck out for me last night. Firstly, Fyfe is an extraordinary talent but is also just as impressive off the field. When he spoke about preparation and dedication to the 'craft' of leadership, it was hard not to reflect on where we're at as a club in respect to this. Secondly, he was number 20 in the draft. His journey was not a simple one but it reinforces that the elite of our game are not often the number one draft picks. Finally, what I wouldn't give for us to find an out and out midfield star like him....just one in my lifetime.

But wasn’t he not invited to some teammate/s wedding/s a few years ago? I’m sure he was talked about a s terrible leader only interested in himself on here and wedding examples were used.

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

26 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

But wasn’t he not invited to some teammate/s wedding/s a few years ago? I’m sure he was talked about a s terrible leader only interested in himself on here and wedding examples were used.

Not sure how good a leader he is.  Freo are only moderately less dysfunctional than us. They don’t appear a very very switched on club.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,826]

Fyfe is all about Fyfe. 

Dangerfield, whom finished second, was ranked 392nd for disposal efficiency this season and accumulated the second most amount of clangers 112. In the last four years he’s had 24 shots at goal from between 30-40 metres out and kicked two of them. 

Umpires just look at who’s getting the disposals and nothing else. 

[ProperDee 1,698]

Nail on head ET.  I have it on very good authority that more than one umpire checks the stat count on the AFL website before voting.  I know he was ineligible but Dylan Grimes 3 votes? Best defender in the competition IMHO. Stats are a false indicator of effectiveness.  The mark of a defender is not how many times they get the footy but how many times their opponent doesn't get it.

[Willmoy1947 4,081]

Totally agree with last two comments and add that the fix was in on MAX......Brayshaw was collateral damage along with some others> Probably not just our team either.