10 minutes ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

Giving 6, 27 and next years which will be between 14-18 all for moving 3 spots up in the draft. Turn it up!!

It's not just 3 spots in the draft for them it's the chance to get 2 top 5 picks. 

27 and a GWS future first is probably worth about pick 12. We paid a lot more (given our likely ladder finish) to North for pick 8. 12 and 6 for 3 is about right.

6 and a future first isn't enough, has to be at least another 2nd round pick.

47 minutes ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

I agree.

They already have a midfield that consists of Taranto, Ward, Coniglio, Kelly,  Hopper, Whitfield, Williams & Toby Greene.

They've also got Caldwell, Hateley & O'Halloran also tryin to get into the side and they would also be adding pick 3 plus Green this year.

Caldwell is the one I want.

6 & Caldwell for 3. Take it or leave it.

And 2020 First Rounder

If GWS can't come up with a better deal with pick 6 and next years first rounder, then we should just keep pick 3 and bid on Greene. Next years draft will be compromised so their first rounder will be most likely 15-20. We need more than that offer. I would ask for an additional pick to add to 6 and next years first rounder.

Edited October 16, 20196 yr by KingDingAling

i would doubt that we're keen on a player at this point in time

we very well might end with 3 and 8 at the end of the day but by draft night have a completely different outcome

The entire discussion is based on who we want at pick 3. if our number one choice is likely to make it to 6 then anything else is a bonus. but that doesn't mean we shouldn't play hardball. 

I have a funny feeling we'd be keen on Serong over young, just because he can fill the small forward role and rotate through the midfield.

I'm worried if we give up 3 we lose out on Caleb Serong, who will go 4 or 5. He's a very good footballer. I suppose at 6 we could get Sam Flanders as a similar type player, then Weightman at 8 which is a bit overs for him IMO.

3 hours ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

That would be a robbery. GWS wouldnt even consider it. They need the pick they get back for Bonar to use points to land Green. I’m of the mind that GWS 1st round next year will be worth diddly-squat in next years draft. We should be looking at wrenching out pick 6 and a player for 3

Think back to the Hogan trade with GWS.
We gave up more than seemed fair at the time, but in the end we were paying GWS more to make sure they didn't bid on Viney.
If they bid on JV we'd have lost the ability to use pick 4 on another player, so the trade had more intrinsic value to us.

The reverse is happening here with slightly different rules, but the precedent is relevant.

Edited October 16, 20196 yr by Mach5

18 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Think back to the Hogan trade with GWS.
We gave up more than seemed fair at the time, but in the end we were paying GWS more to make sure they didn't bid on Viney.
If we bid on JV we'd have lost the ability to use pick 4 on another player, so the trade had more intrinsic value to us.

The reverse is happening here with slightly different rules, but the precedent is relevant.

Agreed. for them it's potentially Serong and Green vs Green and no other pics. 

i can see exactly why they're so desperate to do that deal.

Pick 3 for 6 + Caldwell or O'Halloran

NOT 3 for 6 + 2020 1st rounder

GWS want pick 3 and Green with late trash picks, then cough the [censored] up! Otherwise it's Green at 6 only.

Play hard Dees.

Edited October 16, 20196 yr by Moonshadow

10 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Pick 3 for 6 + Caldwell or O'Halloran

NOT 3 for 6 + 2020 1st rounder

GWS want pick 3 and Green with late trash picks, then cough the [censored] up! Otherwise it's Green at 6 only.

Play hard Dees.

100% agree.
We didn't do all this work, and aren't willing to greatly assist (a top-4 rival in) GWS, just to get back a late first rounder next year. 

I also like the idea of North giving our 2nd rounder to GWS for Bonar, then GWS giving it back to us.

2 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

100% agree.
We didn't do all this work, and aren't willing to greatly assist (a top-4 rival in) GWS, just to get back a late first rounder next year. 

I also like the idea of North giving our 2nd rounder to GWS for Bonar, then GWS giving it back to us.

Bonar isn’t going to North. Maybe Essendon, which would be 31 or 33.

Nothing wrong with hitting the draft with pick 3 and 8. infact it's a great position. 

i'm sure GWS understand that and we're silly if we aren't demanding a best 22 player along with pick 6 for pick 3. 

we need a deal that improves our side for 2020 for this to be worth it. 

Geez if we do 6 and 2020 first rounder demonland will go into meltdown. (Me included). 

Hope it doesn’t happen. Not for that scenario anyway. 

12 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Geez if we do 6 and 2020 first rounder demonland will go into meltdown. (Me included). 

Hope it doesn’t happen. Not for that scenario anyway. 

I'd be speechless. 

20 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Geez if we do 6 and 2020 first rounder demonland will go into meltdown. (Me included). 

Hope it doesn’t happen. Not for that scenario anyway. 

Agree. 

Mahoney and co. would've been bent over. 

I have liked their trade period up until now, but this was our chance to play serious hardball and get a gun player.

F**k a late first round pick next year. What a joke.

2 minutes ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

I have liked their trade period up until now, but this was our chance to play serious hardball and get a gun player.

F**k a late first round pick next year. What a joke.

This. 

If we do this it ruins our trade period imo and undoes all the good work to date this year. 

We need to stay firm and get more for  the pic. 

We can trade pic 3 right up to trade night so no need for us to jump at GWS offer. 

Sit back and see if the return increases as we would be in no rush. 

Just now, DemonOX said:

We can trade pic 3 right up to trade night so no need for us to jump at GWS offer. 

Sit back and see if the return increases as we would be in no rush. 

I think assuming it's picks only.

i'd be telling them if they can add a pick of 13 or better to add with 6 i'd do it. 

if we can get Weightman at 13 and say Ash and Stephens at 6 and 8 that'd be a good overall result.

3 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

We can trade pic 3 right up to trade night so no need for us to jump at GWS offer. 

Sit back and see if the return increases as we would be in no rush. 

No need to after today.  Would only want to swap if we garner a gun player off them with pick 6 and that opp finishes this evening Ox.

1 minute ago, Rusty Nails said:

No need to after today.  Would only want to swap if we garner a gun player off them with pick 6 and that opp finishes this evening Ox.

That’s true will be interesting to see is anything happens tonight. 

5 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I think assuming it's picks only.

i'd be telling them if they can add a pick of 13 or better to add with 6 i'd do it. 

if we can get Weightman at 13 and say Ash and Stephens at 6 and 8 that'd be a good overall result.

To have 6,8 and 13 wouldn’t be bad. Would also push for a future pic just to see if we can squeeze some more out of it. 

We don’t know how desperate gws are. 

6 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

To have 6,8 and 13 wouldn’t be bad. Would also push for a future pic just to see if we can squeeze some more out of it. 

We don’t know how desperate gws are. 

I suspect they're pretty keen. 

maybe if they did a deal with the Suns for pick 15. we could get thier pick 40 odd as well.

Hoping for pick 6 + a good player before the deadline. Pick swap shouldn't satisfy us IMO.

1 minute ago, Lord Travis said:

Hoping for pick 6 + a good player before the deadline. Pick swap shouldn't satisfy us IMO.

won't be a player at this late stage you wouldn't think

picks - we want a spread of picks

Nothing happening I reckon