Post Game: Rd 5 v St. Kilda

[Radar Detector 1,347]

52 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Hore was excellent. Frost was fine. Hunt is trying. 

The rest are woeful. Hibberd is destroying us atm. 

Hore was Membrey’s direct opponent... excellent is a stretch

[Jara 1,153]

Nearly sixty years i been addicted to this crap. Time to get myself some rehab.

[Socrates 45]

Kent and Hogan had great games and we still lost.

[Skin Deeamond 339]

1 hour ago, DV8 said:

We had the chance today,  to play Keilty and Stretch, and Lockhart. 

They would have given us more run across the mid section...  and Keilty could have offered up some mobility up forward...  easing pressure on Weide & TMc,  who is injured,  and TMc could have also moved back to defence more readily,  if Keilty had played today.

None of those players would have made any difference.

[leave it to deever 17,511]

1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

But what is it?

The forward line

In particular big bucks tmac and only 2 good games Weid.

Add in worst said shot Trac and arm waver Spargo and thats all folks.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

22 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

OK, so what exactly is wrong with the coolaid our coaches are serving? 

They want to play a high defence where our whole team pressures in the forward half. 

Why is this bad?  Because it means there are 36 players in our forward line when we are in attack.  This makes it virtually impossible to get a player in the clear for a mark or an unpressured shot on goal.  It also means that there are no players in the opposition's fifty, meaning that when they bring the ball out of our forward zone they have miles of open space to work in, meaning that it is very easy for them to get in space to take a mark or have an unpressured shot on goal. 

They want our forward 50 entries to be in the supposedly high percentage area 20-30m our directly in front of the goals. 

Why is this bad?  Firstly because it makes us horribly predictable, meaning that oppositions defensive units can set up around this area with players waiting for the spillage and runners ready for the handball receive allowing them to easily run the ball back out of our attacking 50 if we don't take a contested mark.  Secondly, because we don't have any forwards capable of taking big contested marks.  Thirdly, because our forwards lack cohesion and teamwork, and so often go for the same ball and spoil each other, saving their opponents the trouble. 

They want everyone to win the contested ball. 

Why is this bad?  Because unlike when you're eight years old, in the grownup game you can't have a mob of players charging around following the ball wherever it goes.  We repeatedly see our mids all diving in to try to win the ball, get in each others' way and cause fumbles.  Meanwhile, the opposition have two or three in the scrum against our entire midfield who often don't even try to win the ball but just knock it around and try to punch it to the outside where we have nobody and they can get an easy takeaway.  The absolute lack of anything resembling team acts by anyone in our side makes this problem worse.  If our players were working for each other rather than all trying to win the ball themselves, we could use those extra numbers to create space for one or two people to get the ball.  I don't remember the last time I saw a Melbourne player shepherding for a teammate, but it must have been before Goodwin took over. 

Yes we have some skill errors.  Yes, the umpiring hurt us today.  But make no mistake, it's the coaching that is causing these problems. 

Is this seriously what Goody & Co. want though?

If so then this needs to be added to a book of "How not to coach Australian Rules Football" and each of them forced to read it.  Then made to pass an optional choice test to see if they've learned anything before allowing them to continue.

[Brownie 5,981]

13 minutes ago, Sargent Shultz said:

From the herald sun- sums up the issue- again, what worked in 2018 is not working anymore

Nash. We were doing that pretty well early last year too

[Demon JM 8]

Every single other club except for maybe Sydney  has more speed and run in the midfield than us. 

We have no decent crumbers 

The game plan is not working at all this year too much reliance on dominating clearances 

the coaches have not adjusted he plan for the new rules 

We have failed to recruit/draft to add more balance to the list to give us more pace and run 

we are in big trouble, won’t be an easy fix !!!

[DV8 2,271]

15 minutes ago, Soidee said:

I was been sarcastic!  Our brand is contested football but it’s useless if we are slow as water buffalo in quicksand.

ah, sorry I can't hear sarcasm in text form...   partly for being an innocent type... I never look for it, instinctively.  That's my nature.

Consequently,  I don't like sarcastic comedy as well...  it offends my nature. ?

[Earl Hood 6,086]

4 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Dean Kent was great today.  A real shame, was always one of my favorite players. 

If he can stay on the park (big if) the Saints will have gotten a steal.

Normally playing for us, Kent would have pulled a hammy by half time or had some collision injury. Just our luck, he was always a potentially dangerous half forward in a dominate side, but he always got injured when he looked like hitting form. 

[Brownie 5,981]

6 minutes ago, Radar Detector said:

Hore was Membrey’s direct opponent... excellent is a stretch

Membrey seemed to have a different defender every time.

There's just no system or structure back there.

[Skin Deeamond 339]

21 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

How the coaches have let Clayton Oliver continue with the rubbish week after week this season is astonishing. He needs to hold the ball when he gets it and then chose an option, time after time he will try and do an instant 1m handball which is of no advantage to the team. All season he has been hacking the ball when kicking, his first kick where we got a goal was a prime example, terrible play despite the Preuss goal. 

He is not even close to the 10 best players in the comp which a bunch 'experts' had him in at the start of the season.

Fritsch and Hibberd absolutely awful and the and the two of the main offenders leaving their man for no reason when there is no cover out the back and they will not impact the ball carrier. How many coaches do you need and you still can't get something like this right.

Season done and despite terrible list management I still think we will bounce back hard next season with a few key inclusions into the team. 

Fritsch is a forward and is being played in the wrong position.

[junk 342]

We are absolutely crap, our reserves get beaten by school kids. If there is a god please have us tossed out of the afl.  How do I get delisted from this website ? perhaps I want comment ever again. A cheap Aldi red is looking good right now.

[Vineytime 847]

Draft competitors they say...?

[Adam The God 30,259]

33 minutes ago, Stormy Dee said:

Fritsch is a forward and is being played in the wrong position.

Fritsch is weak in the contest, poor 1v1, a poor reader of the play, lacks positional awareness and now even his decision making by foot is beginning to fail him due to confidence. He might be able to play on a wing or play a forward role, but he's got no idea in defence and was a liability last year as well.

[DubDee 25,868]

In all seriousness, I reckon it’s time for an honesty session. 

Circle up!

[DeeZee 7,396]

Oliver needs to play like Danger and attack the game more instead of handballing on every occasion 

[Roger Mellie 4,025]

2 minutes ago, Stormy Dee said:

Fritsch is a forward and is being played in the wrong position.

Wing is his spot IMO

[DV8 2,271]

19 minutes ago, Soidee said:

I was been sarcastic!  Our brand is contested football but it’s useless if we are slow as water buffalo in quicksand.

It's not useless...  hard contested footy is the basis of the game...  a team cannot go without it.

But we lack,  as others have said for a couple of years now... we lack quality centreline running players.

But we also lacked quality tall defenders..  as others have been saying for a couple of years.

And we also lack speedy small forward players.  But we recruited for that,  last draft.  Too early to say how we went.

 

Centreline players are our big key need.

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[Big_Dee 18]

1 minute ago, Roger Mellie said:

Wing is his spot IMO

Yep agree. Not good down back but very good forward. 

[Buzzy 992]

Goodwin needs to start from scratch.  Our style is cooked and we are embarrassing in all facets.  I've never seen so many people leave at 3 qtr time, everyone's just had enough.  We'll be going back to Sunday twilight games next year and rightly so.

What should be an amazing night on Wednesday will be another embarrassment.  No thanks.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

So... yeah.

Only saw the first 15 minutes or so and had to go by little bits and pieces and looking at the stats as I was out for dinner.  Great night to go out by the way.  Seems like I missed another wonderful performance.

I won't read the posts prior to this, as I'm sure some people will have necked themselves already, but it's clear we've got some serious issues.  You can single out players, but if you go by what has come before today, there are issues with our game plan, especially at the 'G.  

But I've moved on.  Not even close to upset or annoyed.  It's not that important right now.  I won't begrudge anyone their anger and I'm not saying it's wrong to feel that way.  In fact, it's probably wrong for me to feel almost... indifference?  But that's the way it is.  It probably helps that I didn't see the game to be honest.

The sun will come up tomorrow when my daughter thinks the Easter Bunny has come, and that's all that matters.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

8 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Membrey seemed to have a different defender every time.

There's just no system or structure back there.

Yep, the backline was all over the shop like the Dons game. Hibbo went to Membrey in the goal square at the start of the game. Definitely a wtf moment before the ball was even bounced.

Edited April 20, 2019 by Dee Zephyr

[Buzzy 992]

7 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Membrey seemed to have a different defender every time.

There's just no system or structure back there.

Yep.  Fritsch missed a few spoils whilst on him and Hibberd was also marking him for chunks of the game.

[Adam The God 30,259]

Another thing, half way through quarters we seem to shut up shop. That said, Gawn looked shot ten minutes into the first and couldn't run.

Then there's McDonald, who can barely raise both arms and Jetta, who looks like he's carrying something (at least I hope so). Our fitness is pathetic.