Gary Pert?

[beelzebub 23,313]

Just now, Smokey said:

Can’t agree with this. We’ve had a revolving door of coaches in recent history and some continuity in this area was always needed. Goody is a good coach although I’m worried about his selection of a defensive coach at this stage. Goody can’t stop players fumbling the ball and making wildly poor decisions. At some point it simply comes down to the players. 

 

No one is suggesting waiting til the end of the season.  We panicked.

[Smokey 4,389]

54 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

No not directly.

It was Pert who signed ( re-signed ) Goodwin with unnecessary haste.

And what was the alternative to this really? Goodwin clearly has an excellent bong with the playing group and he has their respect. You honestly think sacking yet another coach would be a good move? 

 

Were all all hurting right now but god damn people drawing some bloody long bows right now. 

[Deesprate 1,324]

58 minutes ago, chookrat said:

In seriousness I don't see our problems having anything to do with Pert. We're simoly in poor form.

I'm happy the club has backed in Goodwin and the challenges the team is experiencing will make us better. Both Hardwick and Buckley coaches sides were underperforming and under enormous pressure but their coubs backes them in and Richmond wone a premiership while Collingwood played in one last year amd looking the goods 3 rounds in. 

Be patient fellow Demons. 

If I read one more quote for Melbourne supporters to be patient. This is not just about poor form the start to the season is an unmitigated disaster. These issues are bigger than the coach and as usual they are a reflection on the whole club. How the hell have we ended up with a goal to goal line which is close to the worst in the league. How have we burnt top draft pick to secure two injury prone defenders. Who is responsible for recruiting a defensive coach who game plan would not work in under 9. How can we come into a season so woefully under prepared. How is it we have one of the best mid fields in the league including the best ruckman yet are on the bottom of the ladder. What strategies are in place to assist Goodwin who is wearing all responsibilty. How can we have no outside leg speed when this deficiency has been obvious for years. Why do we have a president and chair who are completely invisible when the titanic is sinking. This is so much more than poor form it is completely indicative of what been happening since 1965. Successful club have a winning culture it is clear this place is utterly devoid of these principles. Whilst some club under perform it is not to the extent of this disaster. Sorry this has been served up for to long. Supporters were patient through the re build and have a right to expect better than what is being served up at present. The president and CEO need to get off their collective backsides and explain to members how we have arrived at this horror show. I was patient and optimistic with the Roos re build but believe somewhere somehow it gone off the rails. This is far more than just momentary form and I feel that five years of patience has been completely burnt.

[loges 6,767]

12 minutes ago, Smokey said:

And what was the alternative to this really? Goodwin clearly has an excellent bong with the playing group and he has their respect. You honestly think sacking yet another coach would be a good move? 

 

Were all all hurting right now but god damn people drawing some bloody long bows right now. 

We're certainly playing like we've been on the bong.

[beelzebub 23,313]

15 minutes ago, Smokey said:

And what was the alternative to this really? Goodwin clearly has an excellent bong with the playing group and he has their respect. You honestly think sacking yet another coach would be a good move? 

 

Were all all hurting right now but god damn people drawing some bloody long bows right now. 

The alternative is blindingly obvious. You wait a little...proceed with a little caution. 

I shall repeat what I said earlier. You needn't have waited til season's end but maybe let the year start and see where it's going ( currently downhill out the backdoor at an alarming rate ). . There's nothing new or overly clever about such strategy. Just prudent.

 

[Deesprate 1,324]

Brayshaw after match quote “there isn’t to much concern internally”. My god the arrogance of this comment.

[3Dee 1,153]

1 hour ago, 58er said:

starting to doubt their depth and Club culture and game brand.

Just spat out my coffee, thanks for that !

[Smokey 4,389]

2 hours ago, loges said:

We're certainly playing like we've been on the bong.

Haha what a typo 

[Pirlo 813]

It is a genuine indictment on this club that fans can watch our players start the season so complacently and preach patience because "the players and coach are hurting too". That's the kind of rubbish we stood by for about a decade before we got serious under Jackson and Roos. I will be patient, happily, because most teams that make a deep finals run for the first time take a step back the next year. Teams figure them out and start paying more attention. But this start to the year isn't normal. This is far more than one step back. Three quotes stood out to me yesterday:

A.Brayshaw: "Unfortunately some of our players aren't buying in and coming back to help defend"

Lewis: "I think May would look back at the way he arrived at the club and wouldn't be happy with it"

Goodwin: "We're going to try and turn this around"

Would this kind of defeatist language have happened under Roos or Jackson? How could our recruiting team not realise that Steven May has dreadful standards before they signed him up on a high priced deal and, if there were concerns in his medical, why would they not have given him an off-season exercise plan? Brayshaw literally accused his teammates of downhill skiing after the game - does that symbolise a united playing group?

For all the fugazi about the boys loving Goody so much, why has the top-down consistency that Jackson established eroded so quickly? Why have our players forgotten how to play football? Why are they putting in so little effort that two senior players blasted them for it on the same day? Goodwin insisted after the Cats game that we are not underdone, so what's the excuse? Where the [censored] are our captains in all of this? 

I'm just not confident in the culture of this club at the moment, and I never once had that concern under PJ and Roos.

Edited April 6, 2019 by Pirlo

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

I still recall PJ’s strong comments on ‘inside Melbourne ‘ after we lost to Hawthorn. It was clear that he knew exactly that it was unacceptable and not what we stood for. We’ve heard nothing from Pert so far.

[beelzebub 23,313]

1 hour ago, Pirlo said:

It is a genuine indictment on this club that fans can watch our players start the season so complacently and preach patience because "the players and coach are hurting too". That's the kind of rubbish we stood by for about a decade before we got serious under Jackson and Roos. I will be patient, happily, because most teams that make a deep finals run for the first time take a step back the next year. Teams figure them out and start paying more attention. But this start to the year isn't normal. This is far more than one step back. Three quotes stood out to me yesterday:

A.Brayshaw: "Unfortunately some of our players aren't buying in and coming back to help defend"

Lewis: "I think May would look back at the way he arrived at the club and wouldn't be happy with it"

Goodwin: "We're going to try and turn this around"

Would this kind of defeatist language have happened under Roos or Jackson? How could our recruiting team not realise that Steven May has dreadful standards before they signed him up on a high priced deal and, if there were concerns in his medical, why would they not have given him an off-season exercise plan? Brayshaw literally accused his teammates of downhill skiing after the game - does that symbolise a united playing group?

For all the fugazi about the boys loving Goody so much, why has the top-down consistency that Jackson established eroded so quickly? Why have our players forgotten how to play football? Why are they putting in so little effort that two senior players blasted them for it on the same day? Goodwin insisted after the Cats game that we are not underdone, so what's the excuse? Where the [censored] are our captains in all of this? 

I'm just not confident in the culture of this club at the moment, and I never once had that concern under PJ and Roos.

Very eloquently put.

Wholeheartedly agree.

It all has a very shaky vibe and a bit of a pong about it now...does the MFC.

Edited April 6, 2019 by beelzebub

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

4 hours ago, Deesprate said:

If I read one more quote for Melbourne supporters to be patient. This is not just about poor form the start to the season is an unmitigated disaster. These issues are bigger than the coach and as usual they are a reflection on the whole club. How the hell have we ended up with a goal to goal line which is close to the worst in the league. How have we burnt top draft pick to secure two injury prone defenders. Who is responsible for recruiting a defensive coach who game plan would not work in under 9. How can we come into a season so woefully under prepared. How is it we have one of the best mid fields in the league including the best ruckman yet are on the bottom of the ladder. What strategies are in place to assist Goodwin who is wearing all responsibilty. How can we have no outside leg speed when this deficiency has been obvious for years. Why do we have a president and chair who are completely invisible when the titanic is sinking. This is so much more than poor form it is completely indicative of what been happening since 1965. Successful club have a winning culture it is clear this place is utterly devoid of these principles. Whilst some club under perform it is not to the extent of this disaster. Sorry this has been served up for to long. Supporters were patient through the re build and have a right to expect better than what is being served up at present. The president and CEO need to get off their collective backsides and explain to members how we have arrived at this horror show. I was patient and optimistic with the Roos re build but believe somewhere somehow it gone off the rails. This is far more than just momentary form and I feel that five years of patience has been completely burnt.

This might be the best post ever written on Demonland

[Sir Why You Little 37,011]

4 hours ago, Deesprate said:

If I read one more quote for Melbourne supporters to be patient. This is not just about poor form the start to the season is an unmitigated disaster. These issues are bigger than the coach and as usual they are a reflection on the whole club. How the hell have we ended up with a goal to goal line which is close to the worst in the league. How have we burnt top draft pick to secure two injury prone defenders. Who is responsible for recruiting a defensive coach who game plan would not work in under 9. How can we come into a season so woefully under prepared. How is it we have one of the best mid fields in the league including the best ruckman yet are on the bottom of the ladder. What strategies are in place to assist Goodwin who is wearing all responsibilty. How can we have no outside leg speed when this deficiency has been obvious for years. Why do we have a president and chair who are completely invisible when the titanic is sinking. This is so much more than poor form it is completely indicative of what been happening since 1965. Successful club have a winning culture it is clear this place is utterly devoid of these principles. Whilst some club under perform it is not to the extent of this disaster. Sorry this has been served up for to long. Supporters were patient through the re build and have a right to expect better than what is being served up at present. The president and CEO need to get off their collective backsides and explain to members how we have arrived at this horror show. I was patient and optimistic with the Roos re build but believe somewhere somehow it gone off the rails. This is far more than just momentary form and I feel that five years of patience has been completely burnt.

Amen to that Brother...

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

Is it too early to start a pick 1 thread??

[spirit of norm smith 16,376]

3 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Is it too early to start a pick 1 thread??

Wait until round 12-13

[Lucifers Hero 39,673]

Can't believe people think extending Goodwin's contract was a bad idea.

Imagine the media outcry if he was uncontracted and 0-3. 

The media would be baying for blood and the pressure immense.   They just love sticking the boots into mfc; any excuse will do. 

They would pressure the CEO not on when the contract would be renewed but if.  We would have the usual media circus waiting for the death knell comment:  He has the full support of the Board.  I've heard that far too many times at mfc this decade and tbh I never want to hear it again.  

Remember the instability caused by coaches being out of contract and uncertainty among players' current and prospective? 

No, I don't want my beloved club to go back to those dark, dark days.

I'm delighted Goodwin's contract was renewed.  At least he and the players can get to work to improve without worrying about his tenure.

Edited April 6, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[Pirlo 813]

34 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Can't believe people think extending Goodwin's contract was a bad idea.

Imagine the media outcry if he was uncontracted and 0-3. 

The media would be baying for blood and the pressure immense.   They just love sticking the boots into mfc; any excuse will do. 

They would pressure the CEO not on when the contract would be renewed but if.  We would have the usual media circus waiting for the death knell comment:  He has the full support of the Board.  I've heard that far too many times at mfc this decade and tbh I never want to hear it again.  

Remember the instability caused by coaches being out of contract and uncertainty among players' current and prospective? 

No, I don't want my beloved club to go back to those dark, dark days.

I'm delighted Goodwin's contract was renewed.  At least he and the players can get to work to improve without worrying about his tenure.

A three year extension was too long. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,011]

38 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Can't believe people think extending Goodwin's contract was a bad idea.

Imagine the media outcry if he was uncontracted and 0-3. 

The media would be baying for blood and the pressure immense.   They just love sticking the boots into mfc; any excuse will do. 

They would pressure the CEO not on when the contract would be renewed but if.  We would have the usual media circus waiting for the death knell comment:  He has the full support of the Board.  I've heard that far too many times at mfc this decade and tbh I never want to hear it again.  

Remember the instability caused by coaches being out of contract and uncertainty among players' current and prospective? 

No, I don't want my beloved club to go back to those dark, dark days.

I'm delighted Goodwin's contract was renewed.  At least he and the players can get to work to improve without worrying about his tenure.

Considering how ill prepared the Football Department is for the 2019 season Goodwin must have been stoked at the timing 

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

44 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Can't believe people think extending Goodwin's contract was a bad idea.

Imagine the media outcry if he was uncontracted and 0-3. 

The media would be baying for blood and the pressure immense.   They just love sticking the boots into mfc; any excuse will do. 

They would pressure the CEO not on when the contract would be renewed but if.  We would have the usual media circus waiting for the death knell comment:  He has the full support of the Board.  I've heard that far too many times at mfc this decade and tbh I never want to hear it again.  

Remember the instability caused by coaches being out of contract and uncertainty among players' current and prospective? 

No, I don't want my beloved club to go back to those dark, dark days.

I'm delighted Goodwin's contract was renewed.  At least he and the players can get to work to improve without worrying about his tenure.

Uncontracted and 0-3 = work butt off.

Edited April 6, 2019 by america de cali

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I still recall PJ’s strong comments on ‘inside Melbourne ‘ after we lost to Hawthorn. It was clear that he knew exactly that it was unacceptable and not what we stood for. We’ve heard nothing from Pert so far.

Why do we need to?  He's the CEO, not the coach.  I'd rather him focus his energy on building our training facility than coming out and saying 'this is not acceptable'.  I'll leave that to Goodwin.

Also love how all the old men in the thread who have 'been suffering since 1965' are all banding together to pot the club.  Never change, fellas.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, america de cali said:

Uncontracted and 0-3 = work butt off.

I find it disrespectful that you think Goodwin won't be working his butt off for the club, players and supporters even with the contract extension.  Pretty poor form there, even for you, adc.

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

5 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I find it disrespectful that you think Goodwin won't be working his butt off for the club, players and supporters even with the contract extension.  Pretty poor form there, even for you, adc.

I change my mind when he makes the tough calls wiseguy. Like making some tough calls with your buddy ANB and Jones to name a couple and challenging the playing group. Now that’s  what I call doing the hard work.

Edited April 6, 2019 by america de cali

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, america de cali said:

I change my mind when he makes the tough calls wiseguy. Like making some tough calls with your buddy ANB and Jones to name a couple. Now that’s hard work.

Like I give a stuff if you change your mind.

Your views are disrespectful, full stop.  Enjoy them.

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

Like I give a stuff if you change your mind.

Your views are disrespectful, full stop.  Enjoy them.

Thanks wiseguy..

[beelzebub 23,313]

16 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I find it disrespectful that you think Goodwin won't be working his butt off for the club, players and supporters even with the contract extension.  Pretty poor form there, even for you, adc.

Strangely , or not, I took it with a little less umbrage. It would be human nature to bring a bit more urgency to the matter if you hadn't the extension already. I'm certainly not suggesting he's not working. I just think he working in the wrong direction. He has that largesse now.