48 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

I have never seen someone develop their game so quickly in-season. His rapid rise in the back end of the year was phenomenal, to the extent that it still beggars belief.

True, his development last year was very significant. His challenge is now to sustain that and keep improving. I was personally a bit worried when he took JW's number that things may not have gone the way they did - don't ask me why it was just a feeling - anyway very pleased it played out well for him.

I know it is easy in hindsight but I always felt James Harmes would be a good player perhaps not quite to the level he showed late last year. I have also had the same feeling about Jayden Hunt so I'm hoping that he can replicate Harmes' 2018 form rise in 2019 

i like fart(y) for sparrow

and chuck for spargo

still working on hore.......got it......slapper

Edited December 12, 20186 yr by daisycutter

Ummm, err, DC,that’s not very PC.

2 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

 

Stretch would need to go up a few levels this preseason if he is to break into the team.  And even then we would need a few mids injured or out of form.

Yes, that's what I'm getting at.

That these 3 are the closest to "spanish-looking hombre`s", we have... and all 3 hombre`s, need to lift, lift, lift.

The best of the 3 IMO so far, is ANB, but he need to improve his composure with ball in hand.

Petracca obviously after him.  He really has to become a consistent worker, and be involved constantly... rather than disappearing and becoming merely a spectator after an involvement... and he feels somehow he's done enough in that passage.   too easily self satisfied.!

 

Now Stretch, a bit maligned for not having arrived, so to speak... he started to show something in 2018, before he was cut-down.

It's his time NOW...  and he has to ensure he plays his part this year.

Or he will be overtaken by hungry newbies, snapping at the feet in-front of them.

 

So I put these 3 hombre`s in a jocular type thread,  because they are yet to be taken as 'serious threats', in the real AFL world.

And IF we are to go far in this years premiership race, we will require the 3 of them to really fire up.

3 hours ago, DV8 said:

Yes, that's what I'm getting at.

That these 3 are the closest to "spanish-looking hombre`s", we have... and all 3 hombre`s, need to lift, lift, lift.

The best of the 3 IMO so far, is ANB, but he need to improve his composure with ball in hand.

Petracca obviously after him.  He really has to become a consistent worker, and be involved constantly... rather than disappearing and becoming merely a spectator after an involvement... and he feels somehow he's done enough in that passage.   too easily self satisfied.!

 

Now Stretch, a bit maligned for not having arrived, so to speak... he started to show something in 2018, before he was cut-down.

It's his time NOW...  and he has to ensure he plays his part this year.

Or he will be overtaken by hungry newbies, snapping at the feet in-front of them.

 

So I put these 3 hombre`s in a jocular type thread,  because they are yet to be taken as 'serious threats', in the real AFL world.

And IF we are to go far in this years premiership race, we will require the 3 of them to really fire up.

Sorry but I think this comment is overly presumptive, disrespectful and most probably ill founded.

Speaking to a regular at training (not Saty, although he would probably agree with my sentiments), the problem is more likely his body type/shape. My friend would like to see him fined down a la Harmes, as from observation Trac struggles to keep at that peak. I had an interesting debate with him because we didn't know if it was possible and what would be given up if it happened. I quoted Tracs current ability to absolutely bust through tackles and we both want to see him able to do it repeatedly but currently after he does this he is like a capacitor that needs to be recharged till he can go again.

This might look to your eyes like he is standing around satisfied with himself but I do not agree.

Was just watching the Suns draft night trade on the AFL website.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-12-12/draft-night-drama-suns-play-highstakes-game-to-get-their-man

At around the 3 min mark they start discussing trading up to get Jez Mclennan and when Stuart Dew asks who will be left if at their next picks (26 & 31) if they dont trade up. Craig Cameron mentions Sparrows name but I they clearly dont rate him as high as Mclennan.

They also thought we would take Valente if we had the chance.

Yes watched the Suns on AFL TV.  

CRAIG CAMERON IS A TOOL.  ARROGANT.  

Suns have to fix culture and retention issues.  

 

I’d back in Sparrow to be as good or better than  Jez McLennan 

On 11/23/2018 at 6:19 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Actually Tom Sparrow reminds me of young Todd Viney. Very Good pick. 

Nailed it! From most accounts, he does it with mongrel, too. He is an allegedly great kick but unlike Todd, very accurate in passing to other teammates - and makes allowances for 'receivers' to run into near space.

3 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes watched the Suns on AFL TV.  

CRAIG CAMERON IS A TOOL.  ARROGANT.  

Suns have to fix culture and retention issues.  

 

Don't agree with that at all.  He looks like a pro who is on top of the deals to me.

They picked McLennan because he wants to go there!  Loves surfing, dad from Brisbane.

Edited December 13, 20186 yr by Fifty-5

3 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes watched the Suns on AFL TV.  

CRAIG CAMERON IS A TOOL.  ARROGANT.  

Suns have to fix culture and retention issues.  

 

Yes, I thought that too. Playing up to the cameras, all about him. 

7 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Yes, I thought that too. Playing up to the cameras, all about him. 

He is General Manager - List and Strategy.  If I worked there I would expect him to lead on draft night.

44 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

He is General Manager - List and Strategy.  If I worked there I would expect him to lead on draft night.

Craig is a nice guy and did his best for us.

11 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Craig is a nice guy and did his best for us.

his recruiting whilst not great wasn't too bad. nothing like the Pendergrast years

21 hours ago, dworship said:

Sorry but I think this comment is overly presumptive, disrespectful and most probably ill founded.

Speaking to a regular at training (not Saty, although he would probably agree with my sentiments), the problem is more likely his body type/shape. My friend would like to see him fined down a la Harmes, as from observation Trac struggles to keep at that peak. I had an interesting debate with him because we didn't know if it was possible and what would be given up if it happened. I quoted Tracs current ability to absolutely bust through tackles and we both want to see him able to do it repeatedly but currently after he does this he is like a capacitor that needs to be recharged till he can go again.

This might look to your eyes like he is standing around satisfied with himself but I do not agree.

I've seen him switch off and stop thinking, and so not getting reinvolved in the same play. Sits back seemingly pleased with what he just did.

He does not cover enough ground at pace, during games

And I am one of the first to say he has too much weight on, (puppy fat) to develop the elite fitness to do the midfield things of 2018+ footy.

 

So I suggest your post is overly presumptive, possibly disrespectful, and ill founded to boot.

 

Seeing,,, is believing...  and a 6pack on the stomach is not proof of elite fitness.  sadly only reflective of stomach exercises.

Being cut in the limbs, upper legs and arms, is probably more of an indication of low body fat index.

 

He simply does not work hard enough to become elite.  to this point.

 

8 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I’d back in Sparra's to be as good or better than  Jez McLennan 

I'll back in 'Dawn', to be better than Tracca... and maybe surpass him in the team, by mid 2020.

 

The way Christian is tracking so far in his years with us, he will get overtaken by younger guys, who play 100%_

I don't want to see him waste away.

He has to get a move on.

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Edited December 13, 20186 yr by DV8

On 12/12/2018 at 3:19 PM, Demon Disciple said:

I have never seen someone develop their game so quickly in-season. His rapid rise in the back end of the year was phenomenal, to the extent that it still beggars belief.

He had the elite fitness base required from the hard work he's done. 

Found him his niche spot, and he flourished and grew, outa-sight.

On 12/12/2018 at 5:36 PM, daisycutter said:

i like fart(y) for sparrow

and chuck for spargo

still working on hore.......got it......slapper

I was suggesting 'Dawn' up til now.   And having just read your post DC, I came up with another, along the lines of 'Dawn'...

So... Sparra's  >  fart  =  Dawn....  >>>  cracka' Dawn...  >>>  crack'a.

 

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On 11/28/2018 at 10:27 PM, TheoX said:

Jeez he lays a good tackle and looks to have nice agility from that video.

He looks to have a nice step at speed, to go with his pace of the mark.

I hope he works on his hands dexterity... to aid the ball drop.   He looks like he maybe helicoptered a couple, close to goal, when rushing.?

... geez he's quick in mind to be ready for the on-comer.  good mental planning.

 

 

I, I, I,  I'm ..............

 

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2 hours ago, DV8 said:

I've seen him switch off and stop thinking, and so not getting reinvolved in the same play.

Have you been involved in paranormal testing? Love to know the results.

Sits back seemingly pleased with what he just did.

Nice qualification there, in the past you have been definite that he is too pleased with himself.

He does not cover enough ground at pace, during games,

Yes, that's what my friend and I were debating, do we give up some of his power and brute strength to get him to a weight where he could cover the ground more consistently.

And I am one of the first to say he has too much weight on, (puppy fat) to develop the elite fitness to do the midfield things of 2018+ footy.

You don't go to training and observe him up close with his shirt off do you! You do know muscle weights more than fat? It's the muscle he is carrying that my friend and I think is the problem if we want him to get to more contests

Seeing,,, is believing...  and a 6pack on the stomach is not proof of elite fitness.  sadly only reflective of stomach exercises.

Now I'm confused, if he is carrying "puppy fat" how does he have a 6 pack?

Being cut in the limbs, upper legs and arms, is probably more of an indication of low body fat index.

Ok, (quizzically) Again you don't go to training do you? Apologies if you do, but if cut means sharply defined then I think one of us is looking at Petracca through a faulty lens and I don't think it"s me.

He simply does not work hard enough to become elite.  to this point.

How do you know how hard he is working and on what? Did the fitness and strengthening staff have a particular program to bulk him up and is there now a program to allow him to improve his repeat efforts? I don't know and perhaps he is now exactly as they want him to be, who knows? I can say one thing however; he didn't get into the current shape he is by not working hard. Comments like that is why I said you were being disrespectful.

I'll back in 'Dawn', to be better than Tracca... and maybe surpass him in the team, by mid 2020.

Sorry who is 'Dawn'? Really though someone surpassing him would mean we do have an elite player on our hands but it really depends on what role we want Petracca to play

The way Christian is tracking so far in his years with us, he will get overtaken by younger guys, who play 100%_

And who exactly would they be? Or doesn't your clairvoyance extend that far yet.

So I suggest your post is overly presumptive, possibly disrespectful, and ill founded to boot.

Nah, while copying is a form of flattery, I do need to remind myself what happens when I get into an argument with someone of your ilk ....... experience.

 

Best post on here ^^^

1 hour ago, dworship said:

Nah, while copying is a form of flattery, I do need to remind myself what happens when I get into an argument with someone of your ilk ....... experience.

 

You really do not pay much attention to detail, do you...  and you cannot see his over-condition for elite AFL...  and lack of being 'cut', over most of his exposed body.

 

OK, your right, experience says not to indulge others in argument, who cannot see.   So, like you, I won't.

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10 hours ago, DV8 said:

 

You really do not pay much attention to detail, do you...  and you cannot see his over-condition for elite AFL...  and lack of being 'cut', over most of his exposed body.

 

OK, your right, experience says not to indulge others in argument, who cannot see.   So, like you, I won't.

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I'll try and rein in my argumentative tendencies and simply ask you for further and better particulars when you  pontificate.

In your latest effort you have introduced "his over-condition for elite AFL", can you explain what you mean by over condition?

Also mentioned "cut"  again and the lack thereof (apparently some of him is cut). What is your definition of "cut?"

Looking for the "puppy fat" and the few "cut" bits.

 

 

This is a [censored] Joke! He is way too over conditioned! And look at that puppy fat!

Trade at years end.

Sparrow looked very strong for a young lad.  Good strength at the footy.  He might play a few games in 2019.