And despite what some are saying Re our deficiency of outside runners and somewhat glut of bulls, I don't think we could have too many bulls.  Thinking of the way the Brisbane Lions use to bully teams into submission and that's where we are heading.  Of course we need some good outside runners as well, but they are more so competing with the likes of Hannan, Freitch, Lewis, Spargo, Tyson and Co moving forward.

22 hours ago, Danelska said:

As an observation a ll players that I’ve been in contact with, know the commercial reality - they rarely speak of it as a brotherhood or all my mates - even the 18yo speak in terms of working in the organisation they are currently employed at. 

There is a generational shift in how they perceive the afl football landscape and understand that everyone and  anyone can be gone and change clubs in this time for trades. To them it is merely a job...  it’s hard to be passionate about your own job day in day out right? It’s no different for them. 

Its us supporters that still hold on to notions of tearing the fabric apart (yes not your words), when players leave.

Quite depressing, the shift and change in the concepts of club and team loyalties. The mobile phone accoutrements generation certainly possess a different short, medium and longer-term outlook on method, means and entitlement. At the same time, the importance of sustainable values and objectives is brushed aside for the quick fix of the very few, and in reality, a measurable none. However, good luck to them. Football has improved but it does now flash continuous and impending warning signs that does not lead to a great deal of positive change - it leads to a dissolution of some appreciative stability. The fans agglutinate not for the game but for the tribal rites. For the players, a key focus is definitely on the rights of passage.

Edited September 29, 20186 yr by Deemania since 56

37 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

I think one year is a smart move

At times, long deals can lead to complacency

I'm empathetic to his personal situation (based on what's been reported), but the club has a responsibility to maintain the bigger picture

1 year quite stingy, 2 years more appropriate 

The guy has played 6-8 games in 2.5 seasons and has never got through a full preseason. Let’s offer a 26 year old with leas than 50 games experiences in the 20-26th spot on our list 2 years based on this because we owe him more than he owes us. He should stay based on us backing him over that time unless his ability to support his broader family makes this untenable. If his body and form holds up he should back himself to get another 2 years. 

Edited September 29, 20186 yr by big_red_fire_engine

After watching the Casey's final quarter in the VFL last Sunday, I put a big question mark over our depth going into 2019. I would hate to lose Vanders and believe that we are a better side with him than not. It will be 9 players gone from the list if he and Hogan go. Will make it a pretty interesting and crucial trade period for us in the coming months.

51 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

1 year quite stingy, 2 years more appropriate 

Disagree if he improves he gets another if he stagnates or goes backwards it's adios amigo! FD making smart decisions finally.

1 hour ago, Optimus D said:

After watching the Casey's final quarter in the VFL last Sunday, I put a big question mark over our depth going into 2019. I would hate to lose Vanders and believe that we are a better side with him than not. It will be 9 players gone from the list if he and Hogan go. Will make it a pretty interesting and crucial trade period for us in the coming months.

I looked at Casey and wondered where our development would come from. Really no players that will develop and break into best 22 only depth. 

5 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

I looked at Casey and wondered where our development would come from. Really no players that will develop and break into best 22 only depth. 

Not true

Fritsch, Petty and hopefully Lockhart

6 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Not true

Fritsch, Petty and hopefully Lockhart

Fritsch played all year. Lockhart not on our list. So Petty one player who may help us moving forward. 

Petty?

Omg

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

1 year quite stingy, 2 years more appropriate 

Pragmatic and prudent

23 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

I looked at Casey and wondered where our development would come from. Really no players that will develop and break into best 22 only depth. 

Frits back in and not much else at Casey and then Lever of course. 

That shows the need for changing the list.

29 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

I looked at Casey and wondered where our development would come from. Really no players that will develop and break into best 22 only depth. 

That's why the list turnover 'big'...it was time to move a few on.

30 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Petty?

Omg

What's wrong with Petty Jumbo?

3 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

What's wrong with Petty Jumbo?

Completely underwhelming

1 minute ago, jumbo returns said:

Completely underwhelming

Incredible that you defended a half arsed Jack Watts for 7 years, yet you are making a call on a teenage kpd after 1 senior game.

Cool.

 

Our depth mix is pretty good really. Lots of 'kids' who have pushed claims early in their career as well as a collection of players who have been in and out due to injury or fluctating progress. Hmm... if both Kent and VandenBerg leave, that would make our 'players picked 18th to 25th' something like;

Smith, Stretch, Hunt, JKH, Fritsch, Spargo, and Hannan.

Plus whatever becomes of the likes of Wagner, Petty, Baker, dare I mention Garlett, and about 6 draftees.

Given that we have a great core of strong bodies to hit the contest with, there are good opportunities for young players to come in and contribute without getting monstered.

Yikes... imagine the horror times Spargo would've had if he'd been added to our 2011 or even 2014 list?

 

All that said, VandenBerg is a strong, smart footballer who has once again shown he belongs at AFL level when his body lets him, and it would be disappointing to lose him.

On 9/28/2018 at 12:09 PM, Docs Demons said:

Agree and if he wants to move back closer to family to assist in running the business then we should assist as long as we get what we want. I have no issues with those that are looking elsewhere. Except for Hogan the others are bottom 6 players or VFL at best. Certainly looks like we are clearing the decks for some serious trade action. Can't wait.

Don't forget posters the nucleas of our side from Prelim game are still there!.

Yes that great preliminary final team.

1 hour ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Incredible that you defended a half arsed Jack Watts for 7 years, yet you are making a call on a teenage kpd after 1 senior game.

Cool.

 

I'll make a call whenever I want and I'll defend whoever I want

Now, that is cool

1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

Completely underwhelming

At least give him a couple of seasons to build an AFL body.

Jury is out until 2020 IMO

1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

Completely underwhelming

An 18 year old key position defender coming off an injury at his first year of AFL without a full pre season. 

Gee hard marker. He will be a fair player on what I have seen.

5 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

The guy has played 6-8 games in 2.5 seasons and has never got through a full preseason. Let’s offer a 26 year old with leas than 50 games experiences in the 20-26th spot on our list 2 years based on this because we owe him more than he owes us. He should stay based on us backing him over that time unless his ability to support his broader family makes this untenable. If his body and form holds up he should back himself to get another 2 years. 

Couldnt agree more.

As usual fans are massively over hyping a player thats given very little & rarely makes it onto the park.If he played for Carlton/Ess etc we would all be saying a 4th rounder at best as hes only a list filler & will never be top 15 of a club thats a consistent top 8 club.He fits in when injuries & suspensions arrise.He may have helped raise the bottom quarter of our list originally but if we want to be a better club he fits in nowhere

@Demon from Sydney going hard in the trading cheese board. I like it.

Edited September 29, 20186 yr by A F

Just a average player.. Tried to break thru the pack to many times in the finals and got caught a lot.. In the Kent box injured to much. That said all the best to him and his family..

10 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Completely underwhelming

Petty and Keilty both played well in our losing GF. There is also Hunt who played VFL and Baker who was injured. There is some talent for our FD to nurture!