Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

7 minutes ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Nervous about what?

Even if you are proven right (which won’t happen), I am not fussed, they will still have to trade for him next year

Lol. Okay Rod ?

[Sir Why You Little 36,954]

17 minutes ago, Dirts said:

Clearly hogan wants out.

we need certain rolls filled

simple.

and we are counting on Weids being ready after 2 good games...

it is certainly High Risk next year...

Edited October 17, 2018 by Sir Why You Little

[Demon Disciple 12,062]

If true he told the club that he won't sign a contract extension, then Jesse has virtually revealed that he is gone (either this year or next).

Gotta make the best of a bad situation i guess (and hope that TMAC doesn't go down otherwise we are stuffed).

[Red But Mostly Blue 4,547]

3 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Agreed if Hogan has made it clear that he will not be at Melbourne beyond 2019. 

Mahoney is between a rock and a hard place. 

So I would not judge him on the Hogan scenario. 

The best deal possible depends entirely on what other parties want or are prepared to give up. 

Rock/hard place is exactly what this is.

And that's a perfect definition of negotiation. Some people think it's defined as getting what you think something is worth, but that does not take into account the other party, and the fact that both parties will not come to the table with equal bargaining power. It might look like we have the upper hand with a gun, contracted player, but that's clearly not all that's in play here. If it was, we would have received our 2 first rounders last week.

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1 minute ago, Demon Disciple said:

If true he told the club that he won't sign a contract extension, then Jesse has virtually revealed that he is gone (either this year or next).

Gotta make the best of a bad situation i guess (and hope that TMAC doesn't go down otherwise we are stuffed).

People keep saying this but it is not different to any other club.

Grundy goes down, Collingwood are stuffed. Kennedy or Darling goes down, Eagles are stuffed. Martin goes down, Richmond are stuffed.

[Dirts 429]

Weeds will be a star. They took there time for a reason. No jack watts syndrome 

[GCDee 3,199]

12 minutes ago, deeboy said:

Port just got picks 15, 35 and Burton for wingard with a pick swap at the back in Hawthorn's favour. 

Given Burton would have been worth a first rounder alone, it seems they are going to get a significantly better deal for Wingard than we get for Hogan.

They handed pick 6 away.... 

[deanox 9,896]

1 hour ago, A F said:

I'd like them both.

I'm still intrigued about the request to trade our 2019 first rounder. Will we try and package this in a deal with Freo or Gold Coast or another club?

My guess is we intend to trade it for picks this year. 

We have 7 list spots, GCS only have a couple. 

GCS have lots of top 30 picks, we currently have 0.

GCS have academy players next year so need future draft points.  

So swapping our future 1st round and this year's pick 36 for this year's pick 19 and pick 29, may be the deal. 

 

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1 minute ago, GCDee said:

They handed pick 6 away.... 

And got 5 back..

[deanox 9,896]

Pick 5 is much more valuable than 6.

Seems unlikely,  but while port held pick 6, both port and Adelaide would have traded lots for pick 5 so that they got the highest SA talent. 

Now neither will want to trade up to pick 6. Very smart move by port.

 

 

I'm actually surprised GCS haven't given away pick 2 for pick 5 or 6 or similar and a player. They can't keep kids, and need mid tier players. 

Edited October 17, 2018 by deanox

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1 minute ago, Dirts said:

Weeds will be a star. They took there time for a reason. No jack watts syndrome 

weeds has yet to do a preseason ( properly)

apparently he's already in the gym

not making a judgement...just noting this

[GCDee 3,199]

2 minutes ago, Richard Tionary said:

And got 5 back..

really works out to be 15 & Burton for Wingard with some later pick swaps... Hardly the most amazing deal in the world. 

[What 18,810]

4 minutes ago, Dirts said:

Weeds will be a star. They took there time for a reason. No jack watts syndrome 

BOG in the Elimination Final.  Cracking heads and clunking pack marks.

Will be a star indeed.

 

[Dirts 429]

The deal is done they are holding off so afl site gets lots of hits. I am staying in here for news. Good for our sponsors!

[Demonland 71,256]

No matter what happens today in the trades I can guarantee you that the same media [censored] that said Jesse isn't worth 2 first round picks will be the same [censored] saying we stupid for giving away Jesse for nothing.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

3 minutes ago, deanox said:

 

I'm actually surprised GCS haven't given away pick 2 for pick 5 or 6 or similar and a player. They can't keep kids, and need mid tier players. 

What if GCS see Rankine and Lukosius as the superstars most draft watchers believe they’re going to be? 

You don’t give up that unless you get a monster offer. You certainly don’t give it up for ‘mid tier’ players.

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2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

No matter what happens today in the trades I can guarantee you that the same media [censored] that said Jesse isn't worth 2 first round picks will be the same [censored] saying we stupid for giving away Jesse for nothing.

If i was to ask someone about Jessie's intentions for who he was intending to be with next season , it would have been Lever, and i doubt he would feel on the spot for someone saying that........

[ManDee 7,124]

If the answer is I want to play for Fremantle, I have no idea what the questions is.

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10 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

BOG in the Elimination Final.  Cracking heads and clunking pack marks.

Will be a star indeed.

 

I also believe hogan leaving opens the door for weeds stay. Pies will be all over him and hogan out means he will be the key forward.

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1 minute ago, EnterTheDragon said:

What if GCS see Rankine and Lukosius as the superstars most draft watchers believe they’re going to be? 

You don’t give up that unless you get a monster offer. You certainly don’t give it up for ‘mid tier’ players.

Valid points.

I'd be taking a risk assessment approach based on recent industry experience. 

Their culture is poor, they are trading out senior players, they have little leadership and were belted all year. 

Will these kids make an immediate impact or will they need a few years to hit their straps?

What is the likelyhood they arent as good as discussed?

How big is the go home risk? (Remembering that GCS have really struggled to keep players the last few years).

 

The 2010 MFC model was get rid of senior players and bring in star kids. It didn't work.

Are they better off bringing in 4 x 2nd tier but ready to compete players for 2019, with a view to stabilizing and building of field culture in 2019 and bringing key talent in for 2020, or spending it on 2 risky but massive upside kids?

 

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3 minutes ago, deanox said:

Valid points.

I'd be taking a risk assessment approach based on recent industry experience. 

Their culture is poor, they are trading out senior players, they have little leadership and were belted all year. 

Will these kids make an immediate impact or will they need a few years to hit their straps?

What is the likelyhood they arent as good as discussed?

How big is the go home risk? (Remembering that GCS have really struggled to keep players the last few years).

 

The 2010 MFC model was get rid of senior players and bring in star kids. It didn't work.

Are they better off bringing in 4 x 2nd tier but ready to compete players for 2019, with a view to stabilizing and building of field culture in 2019 and bringing key talent in for 2020, or spending it on 2 risky but massive upside kids?

 

Don't forget their trade value back to an Adelaide club. Both clubs are obviously desperate to land them, so you'd think they'd be looking at 2 decent first rounders in a couple of years. There's an investment aspect to it.

I was hoping we'd trade down to the early picks to grab Rankine and let the Crows knock on our door in a couple of years. Ah, while you're here boys, Jakey Lever wants to say hi, twice.

[The Chazz 4,077]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

And some on here will still think we are getting shafted.  It's amazing, yet disturbing at the same time.

40 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Still looks fine to be - If 6 is acceptable to GCS for May and KK it doesn't matter that it isn't #5.  Whatever gets the deal done.

It will do some heads in on this site.  Some will be much happier that we didn't cough up 5 for May, but then they will feel agony at getting 6 for Hogan.

[darkhorse72 1,901]

Not sure if it’s been said but Freo haven’t shown up at Marvel stadium yet!  Bunch of tools.

[pewpewpew 738]

If it's Hogan for May does May get the number 1 guernsey?

[deanox 9,896]

1 minute ago, Dirts said:

I also believe hogan leaving opens the door for weeds stay. Pies will be all over him and hogan out means he will be the key forward.

I've wondered about this. 

There were rumors of Weid wanting to leave and other clubs being keen. 

We obviously wouldn't want to lose both. Perhaps with Hogan wavering and not committing beyond 2019, we made a decision that trading Hogan was needed to ensure we didn't lose two KPFs this year and next.