Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Wolfturdo 123]

15 hours ago, Dr.D said:

80% of people on this thread wanted to keep jack watts. And like I said that was embarassing. I would've got rid of him 5 years earlier. He was clearly never going to make it. We probably wouldve made finals sooner without him. Port will delist him at the end of next season. Some people are so blinded by their deep support that they don't have it in them to talk about a players flaws. 

I agree about the blind support. Maybe you have potential outside your day job after all. 

[layzie 33,991]

3 minutes ago, Wolfturdo said:

Book burning is great, there needs to be more of it.

Anything in particular?

[old dee 23,871]

9 hours ago, The Reverend said:

Cursed be the Cats for they are a pursefull of [censored].

Blessed be the Dees for they play exciting football.

Blessed be the patient for they  shall inherit the flag.

Go Dees!

 

Thank you father I can go forth with confidence that she is on our side..

[durango 2,023]

I think Hogan could play as a midfielder like Cripps and make an impact for the team so yes we could then play all 3 Weeds TMac and Hoges in the same team.

[Adam The God 30,407]

I wouldn't be taking one of our biggest strengths (a 40+ goal CHF beast) and playing him in the middle unless we were trying to get him into the game. And even then, once he gets a few touches I'd be telling him to go forward.

[old55 23,687]

Keen to see some best 22s and the associated forward lines with Hogan, Weid and TMac all in that forward line.

[whatwhat say what 22,938]

2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Keen to see some best 22s and the associated forward lines with Hogan, Weid and TMac all in that forward line.

Everything could potentially change with the the 6-6-6 ‘number of the beast’ structure that clubs will forced to align with at centre bounces next season

Will clubs increasingly go 3 talls / 3 smells in forward and backlines? Will be interesting to see...

If we do:

B: Jetta - O Mac - Lever
HB: Salem - Frost - Hibberd
? Jones - Brayshaw - Viney
HF: Petracca - Hogan - ANB
F: Weideman - T Mac - Melksham
Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Harmes
I/c: Lewis - Tyson - vandenBerg - Fritsch
Emerg: Spargo - Hannan - Hunt - J Smith

If we stick with the relative ‘small ball’ line-up:

B: Jetta - O Mac - Hibberd
HB: Salem - Lever - Lewis
? Jones - Brayshaw - Viney
HF: Petracca - Hogan - ANB
F: vandenBerg - T Mac - Melksham
Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Harmes
I/c: Tyson - Hannan - Weideman - Fritsch
Emerg: Spargo - Frost - Hunt - J Smith

If the 6-6-6 comes in, particularly if it’s coupled with reduced rotations, I would expect it to be the ‘tall’ line-up that may be preferred

Edited August 31, 2018 by whatwhatsaywhat
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[Diamond_Jim 12,627]

Out of interest would a trade of Hogan for Lachie Neale be a fair swap or would we need more?

[old55 23,687]

7 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Everything could potentially change with the the 6-6-6 ‘number of the beast’ structure that clubs will forced to align with at centre bounces next season

Will clubs increasingly go 3 talls / 3 smells in forward and backlines? Will be interesting to see...

If we do:

B: Jetta - O Mac - Lever
HB: Salem - Frost - Hibberd
? Jones - Brayshaw - Viney
HF: Petracca - Hogan - ANB
F: Weideman - T Mac - Melksham
Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Harmes
I/c: Lewis - Spargo - Tyson - vandenBerg 
Emerg: Stretch - Hannan - Hunt - J Smith

If we stick with the relative ‘small ball’ line-up:

B: Jetta - O Mac - Hibberd
HB: Salem - Lever - Lewis
? Jones - Brayshaw - Viney
HF: Petracca - Hogan - ANB
F: vandenBerg - T Mac - Melksham
Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Harmes
I/c: Spargo - Tyson - Hannan - Weideman
Emerg: Stretch - Frost - Hunt - J Smith

If the 6-6-6 comes in, particularly if it’s coupled with reduced rotations, I would expect it to be the ‘tall’ line-up that may be preferred

Both those sides are missing Fritsch

[Ethan Tremblay 30,966]

1 minute ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Out of interest would a trade of Hogan for Lachie Neale be a fair swap or would we need more?

Lachie Neale and there first pick would be a start. Not that I want to entertain trading Hogan. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,627]

5 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Lachie Neale and there first pick would be a start. Not that I want to entertain trading Hogan. 

most would say that two early first rounders would be fair for Hogan so you are valuing Neale at one first rounder.

Might be a little low but worth arguing.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,408]

14 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Everything could potentially change with the the 6-6-6 ‘number of the beast’ structure that clubs will forced to align with at centre bounces next season

Will clubs increasingly go 3 talls / 3 smells in forward and backlines? Will be interesting to see...

If we do:

B: Jetta - O Mac - Lever
HB: Salem - Frost - Hibberd
? Jones - Brayshaw - Viney
HF: Petracca - Hogan - ANB
F: Weideman - T Mac - Melksham
Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Harmes
I/c: Lewis - Spargo - Tyson - vandenBerg 
Emerg: Stretch - Hannan - Hunt - J Smith

If we stick with the relative ‘small ball’ line-up:

B: Jetta - O Mac - Hibberd
HB: Salem - Lever - Lewis
? Jones - Brayshaw - Viney
HF: Petracca - Hogan - ANB
F: vandenBerg - T Mac - Melksham
Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Harmes
I/c: Spargo - Tyson - Hannan - Weideman
Emerg: Stretch - Frost - Hunt - J Smith

If the 6-6-6 comes in, particularly if it’s coupled with reduced rotations, I would expect it to be the ‘tall’ line-up that may be preferred

With Frost’s pace, athleticism and all round general improvement could he not play on mid size forwards as well as talls? I think your first back 6 is not only great defensively but also would generate a lot of drive from the back half. Frost was massive against the Giants.

With regards to the forwards I think three is too many. TMac must be the deepest fwd.

[Red and Blue realist 2,058]

48 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Keen to see some best 22s and the associated forward lines with Hogan, Weid and TMac all in that forward line.

Given TMac started on the wing for a number of games, there's every chance either him of Hogan would start there then go forward or even back as the need presents. Unless they introduce the 6-6-6 format then putting positions on paper is really useless. For mine Weid stays as the deepest forward (and goes into the ruck), then Hoges and TMac swap between around the half forward (around 35 - 60 meters from goal) and roaming anywhere in-between the 2 50 meter lines, pushing hard forward when they get the mismatch. 

[old55 23,687]

1 hour ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Given TMac started on the wing for a number of games, there's every chance either him of Hogan would start there then go forward or even back as the need presents. Unless they introduce the 6-6-6 format then putting positions on paper is really useless. For mine Weid stays as the deepest forward (and goes into the ruck), then Hoges and TMac swap between around the half forward (around 35 - 60 meters from goal) and roaming anywhere in-between the 2 50 meter lines, pushing hard forward when they get the mismatch. 

The team breaks up into the forwards, mids and backs at the game breaks - these categories do exist even if "forward pocket" no longer exists.  It is meaningful to group the players into each area and see what type of team balance you get and who misses out.

[Redleg 41,427]

Wonderful problem to have when we finally have more than 22 good players to fit into the side.

[Adam The God 30,407]

Jetta  Omac  Hibberd

Fritsch  Frost  Lever

Salem  Oliver  Brayshaw

Harmes  Hogan  Melksham

Petracca  TMac  Weideman 

Gawn  Viney  Tyson

Jones  ANB  Lewis  Spargo

Emergencies

Hunt  AVB  JKH

[dino rover 714]

There will be issues of relativity.

In time gawn oliver and others will command big bucks

You cant just say throw the cheque book at it as regards Hogan 

Being in the Premiership window may temper some pay demands 

Can someone run a table of our list and likely pay to the cap limit?

 

Edited August 31, 2018 by dino rover
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[Red and Blue realist 2,058]

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

The team breaks up into the forwards, mids and backs at the game breaks - these categories do exist even if "forward pocket" no longer exists.  It is meaningful to group the players into each area and see what type of team balance you get and who misses out.

Yes but their not limited to a set number of each and clearly we've been after players who are flexible enough to go into other roles throughout the game. Saying how does our forward set up look would mean ignoring TMac starting on the wing or Hogan going into the center square occasionally, it evolves during the game and is a great tactic if done right. 

[old55 23,687]

2 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Yes but their not limited to a set number of each and clearly we've been after players who are flexible enough to go into other roles throughout the game. Saying how does our forward set up look would mean ignoring TMac starting on the wing or Hogan going into the center square occasionally, it evolves during the game and is a great tactic if done right. 

If they do that they push someone else out of the midfield rotation - that's why the 22 in the 3 sets IS relevant.

[Redleg 41,427]

34 minutes ago, A F said:

Jetta  Omac  Hibberd

Fritsch  Frost  Lever

Salem  Oliver  Brayshaw

Harmes  Hogan  Melksham

Petracca  TMac  Weideman 

Gawn  Viney  Tyson

Jones  ANB  Lewis  Spargo

Emergencies

Hunt  AVB  JKH

That is a good side.

I would swap Salem and Fritsch positions.

I would swap AVB for ANB and think next year at some stage Lewis will go and Hunt could come in.

[old55 23,687]

50 minutes ago, A F said:

Jetta  Omac  Hibberd

Fritsch  Frost  Lever

Salem  Oliver  Brayshaw

Harmes  Hogan  Melksham

Petracca  TMac  Weideman 

Gawn  Viney  Tyson

Jones  ANB  Lewis  Spargo

Emergencies

Hunt  AVB  JKH

Yes that's a realistic line-up.

The 3 talls forwards are holding out AVB, Hannan and Kent

The 3 tall backs are holding out J.Smith and Hunt

[Adam The God 30,407]

Yeah, sorry. Hannan would be ahead of JKH and probably compete with Spargo.

[SFebes 4,884]

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/jay-clark-doesn-t-rule-out-melbourne-demons-forward-jesse-hogan-joining-fremantle-dockers

[Wiseblood 24,637]

This is not directed at you Febes, as you only posted the article which is relevant to the topic, but that's rubbish from Jay Clark. It's based on a hunch he has, and that Freo might enquire. Bloody brilliant, Jay. Melbourne might enquire about Buddy, but where does that get you? 

There are no quotes, no clear links, nothing. Just Jay Clark trying to get stay relevant and failing miserably. 

[Engorged Onion 10,223]

19 minutes ago, SFebes said:

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/jay-clark-doesn-t-rule-out-melbourne-demons-forward-jesse-hogan-joining-fremantle-dockers

Good god, there is nothing in the article of substance...or even of interest...it's like a stream of consciousness on the topic of Jesse hypothetically moving merely because he is from Perth.