Farewell Jesse Hogan

[spirit of norm smith 15,075]

If Bell wakes up and Neale goes to Lions, expect the Hogan conversation to restart. The trade is still a 30/70 likelihood.  

[sue 9,000]

4 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

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This Hogan bloke can’t wait to see the back of the joint.

Evidence for that crude statement is extremely thin.  This EtDragon bloke seems to be doing his best to enter the troll stakes.

[ManDee 7,124]

9 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

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This Hogan bloke can’t wait to see the back of the joint.

Show me where he says that. 

Edited October 14, 2018 by ManDee
Saving space

[MO FINE 159]

I wonder if Josh Mahoney is waiting for someone to give him a bell any time soon?

[Ethan Tremblay 29,970]

10 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

If Bell wakes up and Neale goes to Lions, expect the Hogan conversation to restart. The trade is still a 30/70 likelihood.  

Neale met with Bell after Bell’s appointment and told him he won’t play another game with the Dockers (according to an article I read yesterday). I understand the Dockers wanting to hold a player to their contract however days before Bell was appointed the Dockers were open to trading Neale. Along comes Bell and quashes the potential trade, he must really want that feather. 

Edited October 14, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

19 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Show me where he says that. 

 

Look or sound like a guy who’s keen to be a Demon to you?

https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/fremantle-dockers/afl-trades-2018-melbournes-jesse-hogan-tours-fremantle-dockers-facilities-ng-b88981904z.amp

Edited October 14, 2018 by EnterTheDragon

[Sir Why You Little 36,588]

24 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

The difference being old Cale would’ve signed a three-year extension quicker than a Clayton Oliver handball in traffic if one were presented to him.

This Hogan bloke can’t wait to see the back of the joint.

That is an opinion, not a fact. 

Contracts mean absolutely nothing now. 

Who cares if a player signs an extension for 3 years. They just walk anyway...

i have no problem with Jesse. Infact I sympathize with him for what he has gone through in the last 18 months. 

Are both of your balls fit and healthy??

[Sir Why You Little 36,588]

59 minutes ago, Dee Dubya said:

Believe me, Jesse will be a Docker by Wednesday as he becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent on Thursday. Impeccable sauce.

What kind of talk is this??

[McQueen 17,864]

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

What kind of talk is this??

Got crying out loud can posters stop taking [censored] with Hogan free agent talk so we can stop this merry go round!!

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,283]

Word is the Neale deal will be done tomorrow.

I assume the Hogan deal will be done on Tuesday and then the May deal finalised on Wednesday.

[Sir Why You Little 36,588]

Just now, McQueen said:

Got crying out loud can posters stop taking [censored] with Hogan free agent talk so we can stop this merry go round!!

There are some huge statements being extracted from read ends with this saga. 

[McQueen 17,864]

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

There are some huge statements being extracted from read ends with this saga. 

I expected as frequent a poster as you are to be up to speed on this ‘joke’ that’s been done to death over the last week. 

[Sir Why You Little 36,588]

Fairly lame joke. My humour is more educated. I grew up with Peter Sellers and George Carlin...

[MadAsHell 4,209]

14 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

 

Look or sound like a guy who’s keen to be a Demon to you?

https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/fremantle-dockers/afl-trades-2018-melbournes-jesse-hogan-tours-fremantle-dockers-facilities-ng-b88981904z.amp

Where does he say he can't wait to see the back of the joint???

Actual quote please. Not your interpretation from a 10 second news grab.....

[Diamond_Jim 12,351]

We really have been softened up by Freo

Honestly ... how many people six weeks ago would have agreed that trading Hogan for May plus steak knives was a good deal.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

20 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

That is an opinion, not a fact. 

Contracts mean absolutely nothing now. 

Who cares if a player signs an extension for 3 years. They just walk anyway...

i have no problem with Jesse. Infact I sympathize with him for what he has gone through in the last 18 months. 

Are both of your balls fit and healthy??

Strange post. 

You seem to be implying that because I’m suggesting Jesse wants out of Melbourne that I somehow lack empathy for his personal life. I think you said the same thing in a roundabout way to poster AF.

I have no problem with Jesse other than I want players at the footy club I support who are committed, keen and signed up to the cause. Not halfway in, halfway out with an eye every 12 months for the exit door, fielding offers from this place and that. 

It brings a bad energy and unwanted media speculation to a team desperately trying to win a premiership. If you can’t see that you’re living in LaLa Land WYL. 

Edited October 14, 2018 by EnterTheDragon

[sue 9,000]

14 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

 

Look or sound like a guy who’s keen to be a Demon to you?

https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/fremantle-dockers/afl-trades-2018-melbournes-jesse-hogan-tours-fremantle-dockers-facilities-ng-b88981904z.amp

Nor does he sound keen to be a Docker.  He looks totally unenthused.    But it's just his usual demeanour.   If that was a clip of him arriving from Perth thinking of joining the MFC, a MFC supporter suffering from MFCSS would despair of him playing for the Demons.  While you may be right, you are reading far too much into that clip.

[Sir Why You Little 36,588]

19 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

 

Look or sound like a guy who’s keen to be a Demon to you?

https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/fremantle-dockers/afl-trades-2018-melbournes-jesse-hogan-tours-fremantle-dockers-facilities-ng-b88981904z.amp

That article says nothing. 50 cents each way....

[Sir Why You Little 36,588]

Just now, EnterTheDragon said:

Strange post. 

You seem to be implying that because I’m suggesting Jesse wants out of Melbourne that I somehow lack empathy for his personal life. I think you said the same thing in a roundabout way to poster AF.

I have no problem with Jesse other than I want players at the footy club I support who are committed, keen and signed up to the cause. Not halfway in, halfway out with an eye every 12 months for the exit door, fielding offers from this place and that. 

It brings a bad energy to the team. If you can’t see that you’re living in LaLa Land WYL. 

You don’t understand. 

ANY CONTRACT can now be broken. This by in philosophy is dying. 

For the players it is a job. I have no problem if Hogan is traded. BUT I want top dollar ? You are prepared to put him on the front lawn and see who picks him up

2 days ago YOU agreed with me when i passed on a conversation that said Hogan would play off Half Back next year. 

Your facts (opinions) change every 20 minutes and are written in concrete. 

Me in La La land, take a look in the mirror Range Rover 

[Ted Lasso 18,760]

23 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

 

Look or sound like a guy who’s keen to be a Demon to you?

https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/fremantle-dockers/afl-trades-2018-melbournes-jesse-hogan-tours-fremantle-dockers-facilities-ng-b88981904z.amp

Just a young man doing his due dilligence on a rival offer. Very common place and there are plenty of players who’d done this and gone back to the clubs they were at. 

There is nothing in the article that tells you he wants to be a demon or docker more. 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

7 minutes ago, MadAsHell said:

Where does he say he can't wait to see the back of the joint???

Actual quote please. Not your interpretation from a 10 second news grab.....

Fair dinkum, some of you are like desperate lovers living in denial about a girlfriend who’s given them the flick.

[dl4e 5,843]

It was 2 1st round picks then later on we have heard 5 and 23. Well that aint 2 1st round picks. If we now get rid of Hogan for shall we say 5 and a future second rounder then there better be something wrong with the bloke because otherwise it seems like weakness on our behalf. As I have said before I would not deal with them.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You don’t understand. 

ANY CONTRACT can now be broken.

Come on WYL you have jumped the shark on this one.

[Grand New Flag 3,227]

13 hours ago, rjay said:

 

Nice story 'GNF'.

Up there with Little Red Riding Hood & a few other tall tales.

Make it plausible by using North, they're throwing cash around like confetti. Problem is their offers are for free agents and out of contract players. Oliver is neither.

Olivers vague connection to North is that they are an AFL team & he is an AFL player.

It didn't make the media because it didn't happen.

I have no doubt when Oliver's next contract is due he will get some very large to massive offers and we will need to take good care of him.

Rjay, this and everything else I have ever said on Demonland is info I have heard directly, usually it’s from the club sometimes it’s from friends in the player management game.  If you don’t want to believe what I write don’t, you have every right to believe what ever you want.  

Player managers call each other everyday to test the market to see if a targeted player may be able to be seduced. NM did enquire about Oliver with a massive deal, the truth is they are probably not the only club to have made an enquire. It happens all the time. It means nothing. Only a small percentage of these make the media.  I don’t make this stuff up. 

As for others on here that abuse me for saying what I hear. Get a life. Until this, I have never responded to your insults, I am entertained you waste so much of your time trying to discredit me.  The abuse I received for telling you after R5 2013 that Neeld was soon to be fired and Roos was locked in as our coach in 2014, or the abuse for letting you know Clark was coming out of retirement but would not play for MFC, we were “blindsided”, or that we were looking to trade out Pick 2 in 2013.  I could go on.  Each time I cop abuse.  Its extraordinary.

One last thing which continuously comes up. 4 years ago I never said we were getting Dangerfield, I only said Roos had made a play for him, which was true.

[xarronn 380]

25 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

That is an opinion, not a fact. 

Contracts mean absolutely nothing now. 

Who cares if a player signs an extension for 3 years. They just walk anyway...

i have no problem with Jesse. Infact I sympathize with him for what he has gone through in the last 18 months. 

Are both of your balls fit and healthy??

I can never understand why statements like this are made. A player can only walk away if he doesn't plan on playing or earning an income for the duration of the rest of the contract.

He can certainly request a trade at any stage, as can the club, but without a three way agreement the only alternative for the player is to stand out from playing.

Having a contract doesn't mean you can't request a change, but it does mean you can't make a unilateral decision to change. If Hogan or anybody else didn't have a contract the club would have less leverage with that player and in this case Freo.