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Think big ppl.

If we have change from the circus this year....we can always use it for other deals next !!! ;)

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    OH and we will use pick 5 on a South Aussie in Rankine so in 2 years we can have the chat about him going home to SA and the circus can start again . Ffs. Roll on Monday please 

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    4 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

    What’s more staggering is that we get pick 5 for Hogan that then goes to GC for May and we are waiting in that case until next year to bring a kid in what is a weaker draft than this year. If we take a future pick we are dissing ourselves. We started at two top ten picks this year. Why are we now pondering taking a future 1st ? Is it because the media have talked it down? Am I missing something? Will GC take the future 1st for May ? Are we able to trade that future first since we did so last year? We are turning over 11 blokes . Where are we filling these list spots ? With what ? 

    Just... calm down.  Wait until things get rolling before you throw yourself off the Westgate Bridge.

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    2 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

    What’s more staggering is that we get pick 5 for Hogan that then goes to GC for May and we are waiting in that case until next year to bring a kid in what is a weaker draft than this year. If we take a future pick we are dissing ourselves. We started at two top ten picks this year. Why are we now pondering taking a future 1st ? Is it because the media have talked it down? Am I missing something? Will GC take the future 1st for May ? Are we able to trade that future first since we did so last year? We are turning over 11 blokes . Where are we filling these list spots ? With what ? 

    Jeepers Leoncelli, have a Xanax and a lie down old boy. Freo could just as well finish bottom three next year and we’d be absolutely laughing. As it is they will not make the finals in 2018 which means we would at minimum get pick 8. 

    Pick 5 now and pick 1-8 next year is a good deal  for Jesse Hogan. 

    Forget the strong draft/weak draft hoopla. Taylor will pick us a gem next year in the top 8 of the draft if we do this deal.

    Maybe grab another key forward even better than what Jesse Hogan is. Two cases to underline ...  Tom Lynch was taken at pick 11 by the Suns in 2013 and the Blues nabbed Charlie Curnow at pick 10 a couple years back.

    We can and will come out ahead on this thing. This is not Melbourne recruiting circa 2011.

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    3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

    Just... calm down.  Wait until things get rolling before you throw yourself off the Westgate Bridge.

    Nowhere near it. I just can’t believe the full circle we have come on. In my view, and I have stated it earlier, we are playing a dangerous game. We have just made a prelim and are looking at turning over 11 blokes. We have no idea what is coming our way but there has been very little to get excited about at THIS STAGE! Hogan is a super talent and we hold the cards, he is contracted ffs, if we fold for a lesser deal it is bad PR and bad football department operations. 

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    1 minute ago, EnterTheDragon said:

    Jeepers Leoncelli, have a Xanax and a lie down old boy. Freo could just as well finish bottom three next year and we’d be absolutely laughing. As it is they will not make the finals in 2018 which means we would at minimum get pick 8. 

    Pick 5 now and pick 1-8 next year is a good deal  for Jesse Hogan. 

    Forget the strong draft/weak draft hoopla. Taylor will pick us a gem next year in the top 8 of the draft if we do this deal.

    Maybe grab another key forward even better than what Jesse Hogan is. Two cases to underline ...  Tom Lynch was taken at pick 11 by the Suns in 2013 and the Blues nabbed Charlie Curnow at pick 10 a couple years back.

    We can and will come out ahead on this thing. This is not Melbourne recruiting circa 2011.

    So you’d be comfortable with pick 5 for Steven May 

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    II'm outraged.

    I'm outraged that Freo hasn't sat down with us and offered us all it's draft picks.

    Despite Hogan not yet declaring his intentions and trade week not yet beginning.

    I'm outraged.

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    Nowhere near it. I just can’t believe the full circle we have come on. In my view, and I have stated it earlier, we are playing a dangerous game. We have just made a prelim and are looking at turning over 11 blokes. We have no idea what is coming our way but there has been very little to get excited about at THIS STAGE! Hogan is a super talent and we hold the cards, he is contracted ffs, if we fold for a lesser deal it is bad PR and bad football department operations. 

    The bolded part is what I don't understand.  You're getting annoyed about something that hasn't happened yet, and you're going off talk in the media to make up your mind.  Who says we'll take unders?  Sam McClure?  What the hell would he know at this stage when both Freo and us have said we haven't had any dialogue over a deal yet?

    Let's wait and see how things progress before we get upset about it.  And, outside of Hogan and potentially VDB, we aren't losing anyone else from our best 22 either.  There's nothing wrong with that.

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    6 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

    Nowhere near it. I just can’t believe the full circle we have come on. In my view, and I have stated it earlier, we are playing a dangerous game. We have just made a prelim and are looking at turning over 11 blokes. We have no idea what is coming our way but there has been very little to get excited about at THIS STAGE! Hogan is a super talent and we hold the cards, he is contracted ffs, if we fold for a lesser deal it is bad PR and bad football department operations. 

    Correction 

    I have no idea what is coming our way but there has been very little to get excited about at THIS STAGE! Hogan is a super talent and my team hold the cards, he is contracted ffs, if my team fold for a lesser deal it is bad PR and bad football department operations.

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    6 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

    Nowhere near it. I just can’t believe the full circle we have come on. In my view, and I have stated it earlier, we are playing a dangerous game. We have just made a prelim and are looking at turning over 11 blokes. We have no idea what is coming our way but there has been very little to get excited about at THIS STAGE! Hogan is a super talent and we hold the cards, he is contracted ffs, if we fold for a lesser deal it is bad PR and bad football department operations. 

    Have faith mate, the club knows what Jesse is worth and Mahoney has made mention of it. That’s the only opinion worth listening to, not ours. Go back and listen to it yourself and pour a scotch ?

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    3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

    The bolded part is what I don't understand.  You're getting annoyed about something that hasn't happened yet, and you're going off talk in the media to make up your mind.  Who says we'll take unders?  Sam McClure?  What the hell would he know at this stage when both Freo and us have said we haven't had any dialogue over a deal yet?

    Let's wait and see how things progress before we get upset about it.  And, outside of Hogan and potentially VDB, we aren't losing anyone else from our best 22 either.  There's nothing wrong with that.

    I am not outraged at something that hasn’t happened, I am outraged that people on here are now pandering to media talk about what Hogan is actually worth. People have gone from we will only accept 2 first rounders to oh we will take next year’s first, coz we will just be able to pluck another key forward then. I mean, honestly, you all have no idea how difficult drafting is and just how hard it is to remain competitive at this level. This is the tightest the AFL has been in years and all clubs are looking at improving. If you get left behind for just one season, we’ll you will know what the Doggies have felt the last two seasons. While we won two finals this year, remember that we made finals by one game. One. 

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    14 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

    So you’d be comfortable with pick 5 for Steven May 

    I’d push for a sweetener, say a swap of later picks and/or Kolodjashnij thrown in there somehow but yes I’m down with paying pick 5 for May. 

    27yo elite fullback in his prime strengthening our defence as we enter premiership window? Yes please. 

    What would you do with pick 5? Take a King brother and wait to see if he’ll be any good? You do realise that’s going to be a minimum four year process whatever happens.

    The Dees have entered “The Window”. Whole new ballgame.

     

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    13 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

    Nowhere near it. I just can’t believe the full circle we have come on. In my view, and I have stated it earlier, we are playing a dangerous game. We have just made a prelim and are looking at turning over 11 blokes. We have no idea what is coming our way but there has been very little to get excited about at THIS STAGE! Hogan is a super talent and we hold the cards, he is contracted ffs, if we fold for a lesser deal it is bad PR and bad football department operations. 

    So whats the hissy fit for??? 

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    Im suspecting that we are into kelly and whitfield.

    More first round picks next year would be great to make this a reality

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    6 minutes ago, defuture15 said:

    Im suspecting that we are into kelly and whitfield.

    More first round picks next year would be great to make this a reality

    100% brother... this has been intimated elsewhere.

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    39 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

    People have gone from we will only accept 2 first rounders to oh we will take next year’s first, coz we will just be able to pluck another key forward then. 

    You do realise that pick 5 now and their 2019 first = two first round picks? Two high first round picks no less. What’s the diff if we take them both now or split them into this year and next year? None.

     

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    12 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

    I’d push for a sweetener, say a swap of later picks and/or Kolodjashnij thrown in there somehow but yes I’m down with paying pick 5 for May. 

    27yo elite fullback in his prime strengthening our defence as we enter premiership window? Yes please. 

    What would you do with pick 5? Take a King brother and wait to see if he’ll be any good? You do realise that’s going to be a minimum four year process whatever happens.

    The Dees have entered “The Window”. Whole new ballgame.

     

    An added benefit of May being in his prime is that we have one of Oscar Mc / Frost playing second tall for a couple of seasons before becoming our key defender. It fills a gap and gives us some deoth and scope for development. 

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    And i'll just throw in a sexist slur.

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    2 minutes ago, chookrat said:

    An added benefit of May being in his prime is that we have one of Oscar Mc / Frost playing second tall for a couple of seasons before becoming our key defender. It fills a gap and gives us some deoth and scope for development. 

    You did mean Oscar Mc / Petty right...must have been a typo eh?

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    1 hour ago, EnterTheDragon said:

    We add May to the back six for next season and then let Taylor work some magic with two choice first round picks at the 2019 draft.

    May is not worth pick #5 imo, he'd be closer to the value of Freo's first rounder next year (they aren't going anywhere fast, even with Hogan).

    If we are able to keep pick 5 and our future first rounder, we should try and ante-up and bring in another quality mid. We are a young group so there's plenty of time to bring in the next generation, but we are now in flag mode and must recruit for the now.

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    5 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

    May is not worth pick #5 imo, he'd be closer to the value of Freo's first rounder next year (they aren't going anywhere fast, even with Hogan).

    If we are able to keep pick 5 and our future first rounder, we should try and ante-up and bring in another quality mid. We are a young group so there's plenty of time to bring in the next generation, but we are now in flag mode and must recruit for the now.

    That is a possibility worth pursuing. Not sure Suns will go for it though. Suspect they are prepared to play a bit of hardball of their own on May. Like Hogan he is under contract for 2019. They will demand pick 5 this year for him.

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    What exactly is entailed in "a tour of their facilities"?

    Walk in the door....

    Shake hands....

    Listen to the welcome speech/sales pitch....

    Smile at the receptionist.....

    Look at the  different rooms while the real estate salesman tells you what you are looking at.....

    Shake hands with more smiling people....

    Have a coffee and a chat about the decor.....

    Smile at the receptionist on the way out ...

    Shake hands.....

    Out into the sunshine for a quick smoke.....

     

    There has to be more to it than that.......

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