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Farewell Jesse Hogan

Devil In Disguise
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15 minutes ago, ProDee said:

 

I'd happily take Cerra off their hands, but what's wrong with a first round draft pick ?

What's wrong with a combination of players (May, Kolodashnij, Preuss, etc.) and a quality pick ?

My view is we will have an outcome in mind.  If we get the outcome we'll do the trade and if not we won't.  There's nothing wrong with either of your outcomes if that's what the FD is trying to achieve.

What we don't want is two first round draft picks and no Hogan and not being able to use those draft picks for players we need.  We'll only do the Hogan trade if we know we can get what we want.

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    3 minutes ago, A F said:

    That'll go down well with Tom...

    he'll get over it..

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    10 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

    My view is we will have an outcome in mind.  If we get the outcome we'll do the trade and if not we won't.  There's nothing wrong with either of your outcomes if that's what the FD is trying to achieve.

    What we don't want is two first round draft picks and no Hogan and not being able to use those draft picks for players we need.  We'll only do the Hogan trade if we know we can get what we want.

    I suspect the outcome would be may, Kolodjashnij and a presence in ideally the top 10 of the draft. If we don’t get a high quality key position player in where hogan goes out it’s a bad result. 

    I personally don’t mind the idea of a deal like 9,10 and Pearce from the dockers instead of that higher pick. If we could replace frost and Oscar with May and Pearce I think we go into 2019 with no obvious weakness 

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    27 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

    I suspect the outcome would be may, Kolodjashnij and a presence in ideally the top 10 of the draft. If we don’t get a high quality key position player in where hogan goes out it’s a bad result. 

    I personally don’t mind the idea of a deal like 9,10 and Pearce from the dockers instead of that higher pick. If we could replace frost and Oscar with May and Pearce I think we go into 2019 with no obvious weakness 

    I'd argue outside pace is one area you could get us. That's why I'd go hard with that remaining pick and our own future first rounder for a gun mid with toe.

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    1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    I know you don’t. 

    I don’t want to see JH kick 70 - 80 goals for Freo the way Kennedy does for Meth Coke. 

    Carlscum lost out on that trade badly. 

    I don’t want to see Freo advance such that the entire team can kick more than 70 goals for the season, let alone Jesse ?

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    Ha anyone thought if Tom Mcdonald gets an injury next year then we are totally and royally screwed. Mcdonald would become our most important player, before even Gawn. 

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    2 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

    Ha anyone thought if Tom Mcdonald gets an injury next year then we are totally and royally screwed. Mcdonald would become our most important player, before even Gawn. 

    True.  And we still don't really know if Weid will be any good.  

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    30 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

    Ha anyone thought if Tom Mcdonald gets an injury next year then we are totally and royally screwed. Mcdonald would become our most important player, before even Gawn. 

     

    27 minutes ago, sue said:

    True.  And we still don't really know if Weid will be any good.  

    Who can remember who West Coast's key forwards were in their 2006 premiership year?

    It's still won in the midfield. Who won the North Smith medal this year? Kennedy or Shuey?

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    4 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

    Ha anyone thought if Tom Mcdonald gets an injury next year then we are totally and royally screwed. Mcdonald would become our most important player, before even Gawn. 

    What a load of rubbish. 

    One player doesn’t define the team

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    3 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

    Ha anyone thought if Tom Mcdonald gets an injury next year then we are totally and royally screwed. Mcdonald would become our most important player, before even Gawn. 

    We've thought that in the past when Hogan went down and we handled it fine.

    You can't cover everything.  What happens if Jack Riewoldt goes down?  Tom Hawkins?  Buddy?  I'd wager those clubs don't have a suitable back up either, but then these are gun forwards we're talking about.  They don't grow on trees.  You can't have more of them just waiting in the wings when an injury comes along.

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    11 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

    Ha anyone thought if Tom Mcdonald gets an injury next year then we are totally and royally screwed. Mcdonald would become our most important player, before even Gawn. 

    Yeah it is a worry but T Mac is pretty hardy aside from the foot issues.  We played our best footy with 2 tall fwds and and I love that strcuture and flexibility we had up front.

    whichever way you slice it, losing Hogan would be a massive loss. from age 24-30 I reckon he will dominate the comp

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    7 minutes ago, A F said:

     

    Who can remember who West Coast's key forwards were in their 2006 premiership year?

    It's still won in the midfield. Who won the North Smith medal this year? Kennedy or Shuey?

    sure, but it does help to have a someone in the forward line.

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    28 minutes ago, sue said:

    sure, but it does help to have a someone in the forward line.

    Indeed.

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    13 minutes ago, A F said:

     

    Who can remember who West Coast's key forwards were in their 2006 premiership year?

    It's still won in the midfield. Who won the North Smith medal this year? Kennedy or Shuey?

    WC won every game this year when Kennedy/Darling played.  They lost 6 when they didn't.

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    27 minutes ago, DubDee said:

    WC won every game this year when Kennedy/Darling played.  They lost 6 when they didn't.

    That's West Coast, who did not lead the competition for inside 50s and clearances.

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    2 minutes ago, DubDee said:

    WC won every game this year when Kennedy/Darling played.  They lost 6 when they didn't.

    That's all well and good, but it also proves the point that even the best sides don't have a gun replacement hanging around in the twos in case of an injury.  So if Hogan goes, we're still lucky enough to have T Mac and Weideman to play as our tall forwards.  We will be just like any other side.

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    2 minutes ago, A F said:

    That's West Coast, who did not lead the competition for inside 50s and clearances.

    Yeah well they won the flag. If the game is won out of the midfeild, as you say, then why didn't we win the flag? We are the best out of the middle after all .. 

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    25 minutes ago, Smokey said:

    Yeah well they won the flag. If the game is won out of the midfeild, as you say, then why didn't we win the flag? We are the best out of the middle after all .. 

    Because West Coast's midfield is a lot more consistent than ours...

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    4 minutes ago, A F said:

    Because West Coast's midfield is a lot more consistent than ours...

    That actually doesn't make any sense whatsoever. 

    My point is - saying things along the lines of "who cares if Tmac goes down and we don't have Hogan, we'll win the game out of the middle" is ludacris. Football is not that simple. 

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    26 minutes ago, Smokey said:

    That actually doesn't make any sense whatsoever. 

    My point is - saying things along the lines of "who cares if Tmac goes down and we don't have Hogan, we'll win the game out of the middle" is ludacris. Football is not that simple. 

    I've never said it's that simple. But I have said games are won in the midfield more often than not.

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    It’s a fair point, if Hogan goes and now without Pedo as a gap filler, what would be do if we lost either TMAC or Weid? Tim Smith has never shown me anything at AFL level that suggests he is capable. Is he the next in line though? Is Preuss part of this plan?

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    Does one of Oscar or frost potentially play forward if Tom goes down? Perhaps we have our eyes on someone. 

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    5 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

    It’s a fair point, if Hogan goes and now without Pedo as a gap filler, what would be do if we lost either TMAC or Weid? Tim Smith has never shown me anything at AFL level that suggests he is capable. Is he the next in line though? Is Preuss part of this plan?

    Preuss or another capable ruck can do the Mason Cox role. Or they can ruck and Gawny can go forward and be a nightmare for a lot of defenders. 

    Smith played a few decent games this year and should be fitter after a full preseason next year. He competes, that's the main thing you need from back ups. I would say Frost is not completely out of the picture as being capable of this as well. Key defenders just competing at CHF has been a recent trend with guys like Zaine Cordy and Mihocek.

    The main solution though is playing through Petracca and Melksham. 

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    9 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

    It’s a fair point, if Hogan goes and now without Pedo as a gap filler, what would be do if we lost either TMAC or Weid? Tim Smith has never shown me anything at AFL level that suggests he is capable. Is he the next in line though? Is Preuss part of this plan?

    Without doubt, what else do you with a resting ruckman other than stick them on the bench. Preuss would only be coming to the club on the proviso that he will be playing games at AFL. So thinking about how we use him and Gawn on game day raises some interesting thoughts

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    Ha. This conversation is funny just because of how lonely Preuss will be, sitting there on the bench while everyone runs around going 'where will we find a tall now?'

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