10 hours ago, GCDee said:

To be fair, I have been on the Pruess band wagon since RD 1... 

To be fair, no one likes a self promoter

my general vibe is that most on the board think we should have been playing him, but unfortunately copping an injury in the vfl praccy game that coincided with jlt2 and then average form as a ruckman in the vfl saw him have to wait to debut

i never quite understood why he didn't play alongside gawn in jlt2, given that the aim has always been, presumably, to play gawn in the ruck with preuss as a relief ruck who is a massive unit as a forward target

i stick by the roos' maxim that you recruit blokes to play them in the 1s, not the 2s

very happy to see him make an impact and fingers crossed the shoulder is all good

8 hours ago, Undeeterred said:

Not sure how more hasn't been made of this. This was an utterly ridiculous goal for a big guy to shark. Amazing stuff.

It was at that moment that I and many others realized this guy isnt just a big bruiser.  He has talent.

I think the three big benefits we get from playing Preuss are:

1. Better structure - he isn't going to roam up the ground like TMac or Weideman are so we keep him deep. That's good for keeping defenders deep (e.g. Aliir) but also good for our attacks as we don't have all our forwards being sucked up the ground
2. Gawn benefits - I'm sure it's a good thing for Gawn that Preuss can take some of the load off him, but it also allows Gawn to sit outside the forward 50 when we're attacking, which makes our forward press a little stronger
3. Physicality - TMac and Weideman aren't particularly imposing forwards, but having Preuss down there gives us a different physical look.

It's a very small sample size so far, but I was encouraged by what I saw and I'd like to see more of it.

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

I think the three big benefits we get from playing Preuss are:

1. Better structure - he isn't going to roam up the ground like TMac or Weideman are so we keep him deep. That's good for keeping defenders deep (e.g. Aliir) but also good for our attacks as we don't have all our forwards being sucked up the ground
2. Gawn benefits - I'm sure it's a good thing for Gawn that Preuss can take some of the load off him, but it also allows Gawn to sit outside the forward 50 when we're attacking, which makes our forward press a little stronger
3. Physicality - TMac and Weideman aren't particularly imposing forwards, but having Preuss down there gives us a different physical look.

It's a very small sample size so far, but I was encouraged by what I saw and I'd like to see more of it.

4. Our forward 50 stoppages work and we can score from them or if we don’t score can defend them.  

Preuss, just because of his size, seems to be as good or better than Gawn at stoppages.  Small sample so far, but in the Pies practice game and Thursday he has kicked a goal in each game from a boundary throw in.  I don’t recall us kicking a goal in the first 3 games from a stoppage, but I recall plenty where opposition easily ran it out down the other end for a goal.

Just makes you wonder why we waited til round 4 .....

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Just makes you wonder why we waited til round 4 .....

Because ProDee didn't want him?

9 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Because ProDee didn't want him?

In fairness to Prodee his argument was pretty prophetic, in that he argued we need to apply really good forward 50 pressure.  It’s been our biggest problem for 3.5 games, but who would have thought the problem was worse without Preuss.

7 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

In fairness to Prodee his argument was pretty prophetic, in that he argued we need to apply really good forward 50 pressure.  It’s been our biggest problem for 3.5 games, but who would have thought the problem was worse without Preuss.

Here in lays a problem to me.

Much of this approach...this over emphasis of 'defensive' pressure in our FORWARD arc is a bit arze about to me, always has been. It seems to assume the priority in our attack zone is to defend. 

No, the priority is to attack. The priority is to create opportunities to score. Preuss does this. Small defending forwards don't.

Always thought this a tactical anachronism.

Edited April 13, 20197 yr by beelzebub

25 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Because ProDee didn't want him?

I reckon it was because he needed to build up his stamina more. I think someone mentioned after Game that he had worked extra hard the last three weeks. Obviously paying off and scaring the bejesus out of the "red/white birds"

12 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Here in lays a problem to me.

Much of this approach...this over emphasis of 'defensive' pressure in our FORWARD arc is a bit arze about to me, always has been. It seems to assume the priority in our attack zone is to defend. 

No, the priority is to attack. The priority is to create opportunities to score. Preuss does this. Small defending forwards don't.

Always thought this a tactical anachronism.

The reality is if we get the ball inside 50 60 times, and score 20 goals which is a great conversion rate, we still need to defend 40 times.  No point kicking 18 goals if we leak 20 goals 10 the other way

7 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

The reality is if we get the ball inside 50 60 times, and score 20 goals which is a great conversion rate, we still need to defend 40 times.  No point kicking 18 goals if we leak 20 goals 10 the other way

Might we kick more...if there were more there capable of kicking them, of making efforts to do so rather than focusing on defence.

30 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Might we kick more...if there were more there capable of kicking them, of making efforts to do so rather than focusing on defence.

You’re a bit hard to read Beezle.  I seem to recall you were rather upset after we kicked 18 goals against Essendon, yet we’re ecstatic after our 10 goal effort against Geelong last September.

7 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

You’re a bit hard to read Beezle.  I seem to recall you were rather upset after we kicked 18 goals against Essendon, yet we’re ecstatic after our 10 goal effort against Geelong last September.

The context of both is surely opportunity.

Should have been around 25 against Ess.

We managed to do ok in a final against a team that we had struggled against.

Horses...courses.

7 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

The context of both is surely opportunity.

Should have been around 25 against Ess.

We managed to do ok in a final against a team that we had struggled against.

Horses...courses.

Ideally we’ll kick 25 and concede 6...

Any update re his injury... couldn’t seem to lift his right shoulder after the match 

1 hour ago, bandicoot said:

Any update re his injury... couldn’t seem to lift his right shoulder after the match 

Goody said in the post-match he’ll be fine for this week.

2 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Goody said in the post-match he’ll be fine for this week.

And yet he arrived back in Melbourne with his arm in a sling and was a no show at training today

Ch7 reported scans were clear

Was at the Casey game and saw Preuss catching up with some old Nort teammates and he still had the arm in a sling. Considering his arm probably weights around 15kg I'm not surprised he has it in a sling to take some of the strain off the shoulder. As to not being at training,

I would expect the old Watt bike to be getting a beating.

26 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Ch7 reported scans were clear

To be monitored through the week according to MFC website.

Guy makes an impact for about 40 minutes but runs out of puff. Did this in both pre-season games. Not sure he can build up the necessary stamina in one season...

I hope he plays. I like to see a big man with a big pair of hands standing his ground in the goal square. As he said post game, he will leave the ruck work to the best ruckman in the competition. He understands his role. A team player. I'm sure he knows his limits and will keep working hard.

Edited April 15, 20197 yr by Dame Gaga
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1 hour ago, dee-tox said:

Guy makes an impact for about 40 minutes but runs out of puff. Did this in both pre-season games. Not sure he can build up the necessary stamina in one season...

Id be strangely pleased if all of our forwards ran out of puff but were still able to kick 2 goals each (should've been 3). That's some effort for 40 mins, especially given the shoulder injury

#preussmyths (with apologies to stuie)

Edited April 15, 20197 yr by Moonshadow

4 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Guy makes an impact for about 40 minutes but runs out of puff. Did this in both pre-season games. Not sure he can build up the necessary stamina in one season...

Even with one arm our last two goals came from stoppages where Preuss monstered Alliir and Reid.