POSTMATCH DISCUSSION - Round 18

[Roost It 1,434]

1 minute ago, SaberFang said:

Says the guy who refuses to elaborate but is happy to disregard others posts from disappointed posters pointing out blatant flaws with the club. Must be nice to be an apologist for a club that strives for little more than perpetual disappointment.

I’m no apologist. Just don’t rant at a young team and dump years of disappointment on them. We made some stupid mistakes but literally everything went right for Geelong in the last right down to Max’s blood rule. We’ll win the 4 of the last 5 and pump the Cats in the first week of the finals. It’s all set up now. 

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1 minute ago, Knuckles said:

I very much believe we are one of the best three or teams in the comp. But we can’t win these important games even when we are clearly the better team. The question is why? Poor coaching? Lack of infield leaders? Inexperience? Or have we been so bad for so long we have forgotten how to win a big game? 

[censored] where do you want to start?leadership composure desire heart desperation. For starters 

 

[layzie 33,801]

16 minutes ago, TRIGON said:

Disappointing is an understatement.  However we can, and should, able to beat the crows, sunscreen and swans to lock in a finals appearance.

Should is a very bold word 

[Deecisive 1,709]

1 minute ago, Docs Demons said:

No use blaming umpires. More inside 50's AGAIN. More scoring shots AGAIN and still found a way to lose. I do not rate Geelong so this loss hard to take.Umpires were not to blame. The players were.

Also anyone want to have a go at Hogan?. I will. His efforts up front were absolute crap. He just wandered around like a lost sheep. Did not impact the game at all with his body. Next to no tackles and one handed grabs at the ball. Also hardly any chasing when Cats got the ball. Pretty ordinary effort in my opinion. 

yes agree on Hogan, he is certainly not a chaser, we will get found out by better teams who will have whoever is on Hogan running down the ground creating a free man as hogan trots after.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Roost It said:

I’m no apologist. Just don’t rant at a young team and dump years of disappointment on them. We made some stupid mistakes but literally everything went right for Geelong in the last right down to Max’s blood rule. We’ll win the 4 of the last 5 and pump the Cats in the first week of the finals. It’s all set up now. 

Sorry and no offence to you personally but that is the type of apologist stuff that mires the mfc in mediocrity 

[Radar Detector 1,347]

16 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I get it.  Trust me.  I know it doesn't seem like it, but I get that we are yet to prove ourselves fully against opposition inside the top 8.  We pushed the Cats and pushed Port, but we haven't done more than that, which I agree is not good enough.

But the Sydney game today is one example of how anything can happen in the league this year.  Outside of playing Carlton, you can lose a game of footy if you switch off for long enough.  We are still in the eight and we still have time to put together some notable wins that can propel us towards finals footy.

It might feel terrible right now, and very hard to see, but finals are still in our future this season if we want it.

I know you get it. You’re just about the most measured poster here.

We still have our fate in our own hands which is certainly good. We can’t be trusted though, which is bad and is what makes it so excruciating for supporters.

That, and the fact that we have let slip several opportunities to be a contender, not just support cast. 2018 could have been our turn for a fairytale. Now we’re hoping to cling to a spot in the 8 at best (please don’t reference the dogs coming from 7th lol)

Edited July 21, 2018 by Radar Detector

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, titan_uranus said:

Haven't seen/heard Goodwin's presser but some of the quotes are interesting.

He's called out the players for their "clock management" late in the game, he's noted Gawn got beaten by a hack (Stanley), he's conceded we got taught a final quarter lesson, he's noted we got beaten in CPs and clearances (bearing in mind those are not Geelong's strong points).

Maybe this loss has gotten to him more than previous ones?

Or maybe I'm just reading too much into some Twitter quotes because I can't bring myself to do anything else.

I read those quotes too, and it seems as though he's not happy with the way we played for periods of the game.  

The clock management is the one that sticks out for me.  The players shouldn't need to be told, in that situation, to run down the clock or to look for the chip kick.  It should be common sense.

But from what I can tell I'd wager that Goody would have given them a fair pasting after the game.

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2 minutes ago, Deecisive said:

yes agree on Hogan, he is certainly not a chaser, we will get found out by better teams who will have whoever is on Hogan running down the ground creating a free man as hogan trots after.

 

 

Someone said it earlier and I laughed but now agreee. Trade now and get über $$$

[Sir Why You Little 37,036]

23 minutes ago, praha said:

He is Bailey 2.0, but with a better overall list.

Can you imagine if Roos was still coaching this group?

Exactly. We would be Top 4 easily. 

He only coaches half the ground. The back half is just a junk shop. 

There was NO SYSTEM in that last quarter. 

Yes the effort was there at the end. But the defence was still totally exposed. 

Malcolm Blight coached Geelong the same way in the late 80’s

Edited July 21, 2018 by Sir Why You Little

[titan_uranus 25,018]

7 minutes ago, Knuckles said:

I very much believe we are one of the best three or four teams in the comp. But we can’t win these important games even when we are clearly the better team. The question is why? Poor coaching? Lack of infield leaders? Inexperience? Or have we been so bad for so long we have forgotten how to win a big game? 

I think the better way to say this is that our best football is in the top 3-4 clubs' best.

But if we keep losing these games, I don't think we can say we are one of the best three or four teams. The best teams don't continually lose these games.

6 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Last 2 minutes makes edifying vision - though easy to say in hindsight. Frost's great (almost) intercept, which he then bombs into no-man's-land for a turnover. O Mac's great intercept mark, which he managed to get perfectly to Petracca. Who then bombed forward when the name of the game is possession/run the clock down? JKH's easy miss that would have spared us the previous 10 pages of discussion. Then everyone's hero, Frost, ball-watching and leaving Hawkins unattended in the middle of the ground ... and the rest, as they say, is history.

I've been watching over and over again.

I didn't mind Petracca's barrel. It wasn't clear that he had any easy sideways/backwards kicks to eat up time, plus there was still 1.40 left. It was to the boundary so it was the right option if he didn't have a short easy kick.

Frost's mark was great but the kick appalling. JKH's miss was just terrible and reeked to me of panic (a better player would have been a lot calmer with that shot).

Then Frost isn't just ball-watching, he runs to chase after the wrong player. The kick comes out and he leaves Hawkins to run to the wing where Jones was already running, leaving Hawkins to make space through the middle.

Our high forward press isn't conducive to protecting small leads, though. Only takes one mistake from us and we gift our opponent a score. We should instead have had the press dropped further back - concede the space across our HF line to clog it up closer to Geelong's goal.

Edit: Brayshaw also mis-kicks it to JKH when he had Melksham on. JKH should have kicked it, though.

Edited July 21, 2018 by titan_uranus

[picket fence 17,169]

12 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I meant what I said.  We can beat the Swans.  I didn't say we will, just that we can.  Today is evidence of that.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Who cares!??

[Jaded No More 68,915]

Too gutted to watch the press conference. Did anyone ask him why he didn’t make a move on Hawkins earlier?

Just once I want him to take some accountability. I’m sick of him never admitting that he’s [censored] up. It’s either blind stupidity or arrogance. 

[chook fowler 19,459]

I seriously think that we would be better off with Jade Rawlings as coach.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, picket fence said:

Who cares!??

Rubbish response, picket.  On that logic nobody cares about anything anyone says on here.  

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1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

I read those quotes too, and it seems as though he's not happy with the way we played for periods of the game.  

The clock management is the one that sticks out for me.  The players shouldn't need to be told, in that situation, to run down the clock or to look for the chip kick.  It should be common sense.

But from what I can tell I'd wager that Goody would have given them a fair pasting after the game.

Meh

nope

how many pastings do these men on , whAt , 7-13x Mean Ordinary full time equivalent wages need before they do their jobs properly ?  It just goes on and on and on. I see where SWYL is coming from. My dad abandoned this club for NRL

[DemonOX 8,791]

22 minutes ago, McQueen said:

This is so bad I don’t even feel like having sex.

That’s why u do it at half time McQueen. 

[Roost It 1,434]

3 minutes ago, timbo said:

Sorry and no offence to you personally but that is the type of apologist stuff that mires the mfc in mediocrity 

It’s a game dude. I’ll bet money we win 4 of the last 5

[bing181 9,235]

We lost clearances 44 35, and stoppages 31 20. Hard to win when that's going on.

I accept that Lever and Hibberd are big omissions, but Viney out is really hurting us.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

4 minutes ago, Radar Detector said:

I know you get it. You’re just about the most measured poster here.

We still have our fate in our own hands which is certainly good. We can’t be trusted though, which is bad and is what makes it so excruciating for supporters.

That, and the fact that we have let slip several opportunities to be a contender, not just support cast. 2018 could have been our turn for a fairytale. Now we’re hoping to cling to a spot in the 8 at best (please don’t reference the dogs coming from 7th lol)

I think what those losses (Saints, Cats x2, Port etc.) shows me is that we're not a serious premiership contender yet.  I think we can make finals, but going by tonight you would expect us to go out in straight sets.  

I think making the finals would be a big hurdle for this club to jump, but as you say, right now they give us no reason to trust them or have faith in them.  Even I'm finding it difficult.

But I'll cling to the fact that we're still in the 8 and still in a position to decide our own destiny.  I just hope we can do it.

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1 minute ago, Roost It said:

It’s a game dude. I’ll bet money we win 4 of the last 5

I'll take thatbet. I'm busy saving for a tesla solar battery and new 50hp tractor + 6ft slasher so let's say $10? I say we win less than 4

[CBDees 3,167]

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

Weak as [censored]. Our third loss under a goal.

Same old Melbourne Football Club.

No respect for the supporters.

If we total the VFL and the AFL  final scores together, we actually beat Geelong by one point! ?

[Roost It 1,434]

Just now, timbo said:

I'll take thatbet. I'm busy saving for a tesla solar battery and new 50hp tractor + 6ft slasher so let's say $10? I say we win less than 4

Odds?

[DemonOX 8,791]

32 minutes ago, layzie said:

I am absolutely [censored] done with this. How much crueler does it have to get? How much lower to the pits of despair do we have to plunder? The best thing this club has taught me is to never be content with any lead. You lead my 23 points going into the last quarter? Doesn't matter, treat it like its level and try to kick the first goal, then try to kick the next goal, and the goal after that and the goal after that. That is the only way I know how to follow this football club. There is never any room for 'comfort'. You can't be 23 points up and be content when the opposition kicks a goal. No, there is never any God damn room for comfort with this club ever until the friggin full time siren goes and even then you have to hope some a'se wipe didn't take a mark. Seriously, how much more of this dog excrement bullcrap do we have to put up with? I was told repeatedly after Round 23 in 2017 that it would 'burn in the bellies' of these young men. Where the hell was that in the last minute? I don't want to hear any more stupid stories about no pain no gain and 'this is the loss they need to become better' seriously pull the other one. This football club has had enough of those losses and lessons to last a lifetime, it is time for some darn action. 

At half time in the game day thread I wrote that it had a feel about it similar to many of those games that we had the edge in and lost. The port game. I even referenced a game from [censored] 16 years ago where Farmer killed us on the siren at Subi. Seriously enough is enough. I and many others are completely at their wits end with this kind of thing happening over and over again. It's been 12 years and this Mt Everest of a task that teams seemingly make year after year of making the finals is getting beyond a joke.

Melbourne, you will always find the way won't you? You won't snatch it from St Kilda but you'll always find the way when it matters most. I haven't given up hope. Mate, when you're out of it for 12 years you'll take what chance you can get buf I can not back this team to deliver the goods when it counts.

I am sorry, I know a lot of you have other things in life aside from football like your families and partners. I'm in my early 30s, single and put a lot of my energy into this football club. It really damn hurts just that bit more when you feel you have little else. Criticise me if you want I don't give a toss right now.

Chin up mate, trust me things can always be worse.

Also there is always next week and we are still alive for 2018 at the moment. 

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Just now, Wiseblood said:

I think what those losses (Saints, Cats x2, Port etc.) shows me is that we're not a serious premiership contender yet.  I think we can make finals, but going by tonight you would expect us to go out in straight sets.  

I think making the finals would be a big hurdle for this club to jump, but as you say, right now they give us no reason to trust them or have faith in them.  Even I'm finding it difficult.

But I'll cling to the fact that we're still in the 8 and still in a position to decide our own destiny.  I just hope we can do it.

So according to Roos' KPI if we miss finals we fail. I'll reckon that's the clubs KPI too. Wonder what the fallout will be if we miss? I'm unconvinced by our application and desire and some FD decisions including selection and MD coachjjng

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

10 minutes ago, Roost It said:

I’m no apologist. Just don’t rant at a young team and dump years of disappointment on them. We made some stupid mistakes but literally everything went right for Geelong in the last right down to Max’s blood rule. We’ll win the 4 of the last 5 and pump the Cats in the first week of the finals. It’s all set up now. 

Highly doubt it.