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Rightly, many supporters want to see results instead of hearing platitudes.  Yet so many of those same supporters analyse everything Goodwin says.

They probably don't even realise the hypocrisy.

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      On 04/07/2018 at 23:34, ProDee said:

    Rightly, many supporters want to see results instead of hearing platitudes.  Yet so many of those same supporters analyse everything Goodwin says.

    They probably don't even realise the hypocrisy.

    It’s hyocritical to analyse the coaches comments yet still want results? 

    Sorry PD but I cannot see the link - can you please explain?

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      On 04/07/2018 at 22:29, drysdale demon said:

    If I were you swyl I would give it a rest about goodwin, your dislike of him is apparent to all on here, don't keep repeating yourself.

    It’s the CLUB that keeps repeating itself....

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      On 04/07/2018 at 13:58, ProDee said:

    You were asked, "What do we need to see to know whether it has or has not been accepted?".  This was with regards to your comment "what other club would accept the first 3 quarters".

    I'm interested in your response to this very specific question.

    So happy you are interested in something 

    This club repeats it’s failing on and of field far more than others in the AFL (gold coast aside, they will die)  We say we don’t like it, but we are not strong enough or ruthless enough to shed the stigma

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      On 05/07/2018 at 00:29, Sir Why You Little said:

    So happy you are interested in something 

    This club repeats it’s failing on and of field far more than others in the AFL (gold coast aside, they will die)  We say we don’t like it, but we are not strong enough or ruthless enough to shed the stigma

    But you haven't answered the question.

    What do we need to see to know whether it has or has not been accepted ?

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      On 05/07/2018 at 02:25, ProDee said:

    But you haven't answered the question.

    What do we need to see to know whether it has or has not been accepted ?

    Whether WHAT has been accepted

    explain IT in your above

    if you are referring to post Round 23 as being the turning point of “no more” then no it hasn’t

    Edited by Sir Why You Little

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      On 05/07/2018 at 02:36, Nasher said:

    I would love to see Goodwin just stand there in a press conference, completely mute. Don’t answer any questions or make any comments, just stand there in complete silence. 

    He’d probably get bagged for not giving the members the answers they demand, or something.

    I for one would applaud.

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      On 05/07/2018 at 02:36, Nasher said:

    I would love to see Goodwin just stand there in a press conference, completely mute. Don’t answer any questions or make any comments, just stand there in complete silence. 

    He’d probably get bagged for not giving the members the answers they demand, or something.

     

    Yes Nasher I would actually like to see that

    Like when Mark Riley confronted Abbott and Abbott just stood there, mute, visibly shaking

    Or better, like when Pyke just looked at his team as we ripped them apart (remember when we were that good?)

    Yep, Don Pyke style. A reverse Pyke if you will.

    Start "I'd like to see that" old school AFL jingle from telly

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      On 05/07/2018 at 02:52, timbo said:

     

     

    Yep, Don Pyke style. A reverse Pyke if you will.

     

    Pun points for effort - but wouldn't a reverse Pike involve Goody talking - a lot? 

    Sorry but your attempted pun dived.

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      On 05/07/2018 at 02:36, Nasher said:

    I would love to see Goodwin just stand there in a press conference, completely mute. Don’t answer any questions or make any comments, just stand there in complete silence. 

    He’d probably get bagged for not giving the members the answers they demand, or something.

    Maybe he should go with the Jose Mourinho style of interview? 

     

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      On 05/07/2018 at 03:07, binman said:

    Pun points for effort - but wouldn't a reverse Pike involve Goody talking - a lot? 

    Sorry but your attempted pun dived.

    No, it wouldn't.

    You have misunderstood my pun, which is understandable.

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    I'd like to see an end to excuses.

    3 years of Roos.

    Halfway through Goodwin's second year.

    How long does it take to teach players to play hard nosed accountable footy.

    Like not wandering off in direction of a contest when you're tracking an opponent running into their forwardline.

    Like not realising that if you over commit to the contest you'll leave opponents in space free to receive from the contest and dispose of the ball under no pressure and when you try to release to a team mate he'll be about a metre way under the same pressure as you are. 

    Like applying manic pressure like the trendsetting Tiges who won one of those Premiership things.

    How long do we have to wait?

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    My enthusiasm for the coach has fallen this year however I don't take a lot of notice of press conferences. After game ones are the worst and I am confident coaches only do them because the AFL decrees they have to. 

    As a coach it appears to me that whatever you say as a losing coach is seen as crap by at least 50% of supporters. They are no winners. 

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      On 05/07/2018 at 02:28, Sir Why You Little said:

    Whether WHAT has been accepted

    explain IT in your above

    if you are referring to post Round 23 as being the turning point of “no more” then no it hasn’t

    Oh dear.

    The following is @Danelska's question to you:

    What other club would accept those first 3 Quarters last week???...ps what does this statement even mean? How has it been accepted, or not? What do we need to see to know whether it has or has not been accepted?

    You haven't answered these question.

    What do you need to see to know whether it has been accepted ?

    Because you're inferring it HAS been accepted.  How do you know this ?  What does it look like ?

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      On 05/07/2018 at 03:16, demoniac said:

    I'd like to see an end to excuses.

    3 years of Roos.

    Halfway through Goodwin's second year.

    How long does it take to teach players to play hard nosed accountable footy.

    Like not wandering off in direction of a contest when you're tracking an opponent running into their forwardline.

    Like not realising that if you over commit to the contest you'll leave opponents in space free to receive from the contest and dispose of the ball under no pressure and when you try to release to a team mate he'll be about a metre way under the same pressure as you are. 

    Like applying manic pressure like the trendsetting Tiges who won one of those Premiership things.

    How long do we have to wait?

    It is not surprising heckle and jeckle like your post.

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      On 05/07/2018 at 03:41, ProDee said:

    Oh dear.

    The following is @Danelska's question to you:

    What other club would accept those first 3 Quarters last week???...ps what does this statement even mean? How has it been accepted, or not? What do we need to see to know whether it has or has not been accepted?

    You haven't answered these question.

    What do you need to see to know whether it has been accepted ?

    Because you're inferring it HAS been accepted.  How do you know this ?  What does it look like ?

    I am looking at onfield performance. Workrates over 4 Quarters are still unacceptable in pressure games. After Round 23 last year i would have thought performances like that are not to be tolerated, but they are still happening. 

    I cannot make it any clearer

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      On 05/07/2018 at 04:14, Sir Why You Little said:

    I am looking at onfield performance. Workrates over 4 Quarters are still unacceptable in pressure games. After Round 23 last year i would have thought performances like that are not to be tolerated, but they are still happening. 

    I cannot make it any clearer

    Just because you think it is unacceptable does not mean the players have accepted it.  But that seems to be the lapse in your logic that leads others to ask what do you mean by accepted.

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    sigh...like any of this conjecture matters... the team will perform poorly - some will be ok with it, in the context of growth, some will be upset and see it as the old demons... some will continue to support, some will disengage...but THEN jump on the bandwagon when the going gets good again... and all previous crimes of all parties involved will be absolved.

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      On 05/07/2018 at 04:23, sue said:

    Just because you think it is unacceptable does not mean the players have accepted it.  But that seems to be the lapse in your logic that leads others to ask what do you mean by accepted.

    Whatever the players have accepted, it is not enough. That is clear to see. 

    Losing to St. Kilda in 2018 on the MCG is not acceptable, however you package it. 

    Once again Round 23 last year still doesn’t hurt the entire FD enough, so they refuse to let a scenario like it happen. 

    But within 9 months it has

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      On 04/07/2018 at 09:27, ding said:

    Make Melbourne Great Again.

     

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    Lets hope we get back to winning bigly

     

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      On 05/07/2018 at 04:32, Sir Why You Little said:

    Whatever the players have accepted, it is not enough. That is clear to see. 

    Losing to St. Kilda in 2018 on the MCG is not acceptable, however you package it. 

    Once again Round 23 last year still doesn’t hurt the entire FD enough, so they refuse to let a scenario like it happen. 

    But within 9 months it has

    Good grief,  there is a distinction between X happening and players thinking that X is acceptable.   You assume the players have accepted (defeat, lack of effort, incompetence, whatever).  But just because they have been defeated etc does not necessarily mean they have accepted it.  They might just not be good enough.  

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      On 05/07/2018 at 04:14, Sir Why You Little said:

    I am looking at onfield performance. Workrates over 4 Quarters are still unacceptable in pressure games. After Round 23 last year i would have thought performances like that are not to be tolerated, but they are still happening. 

    I cannot make it any clearer

    But how do you know it was "accepted", which was your assertion.  You were speaking about the game on the weekend against St Kilda.  You weren't referencing any other game.

    How do you know the players and club have accepted those 3 quarters against St Kilda.  

    That was your accusation.

    Now, answer the specific question and try not to reference 1966.

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      On 04/07/2018 at 23:34, ProDee said:

    Rightly, many supporters want to see results instead of hearing platitudes.  Yet so many of those same supporters analyse everything Goodwin says.

    They probably don't even realise the hypocrisy.

     

      On 04/07/2018 at 23:58, Neil Crompton said:

    It’s hyocritical to analyse the coaches comments yet still want results? 

    Sorry PD but I cannot see the link - can you please explain?

    Pro Dee, while you are waiting for the answer to your question from SWYL, can you please answer mine above?

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      On 05/07/2018 at 05:50, Neil Crompton said:

     

    Pro Dee, while you are waiting for the answer to your question from SWYL, can you please answer mine above?

    It's a silly question.

    Your answer is self evident in my comment.

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