11 hours ago, Deecisive said:

I just want to see the Saints keep pushing up the $'s collingwood has to pay him to stay. I am also keen to see if collingwood has the integrity to stand behind the behavioral clause requirement or they fold as they need him.

I wonder how the "do better" moniker is handling this. If he was number 30 on their list he would be long gone. 

13 hours ago, daisycutter said:

heard it was not the existence of such clauses but the wording being too vague and open-ended

they'll work it all out

Might need John and Betty based wording DC.

Edited September 26, 20222 yr by old dee

iirc some Coll sponsors were pretty upset with De Goey's NY and Bali antics.  I wonder what their thoughts are on making the behavioural clauses less restrictive. 

Along with the 'do better' report and Eddie's antics a few years ago their sponsors have really been tested.

Big calls to make down at Collywobble land

De Goey has made the right call. In today’s hysterical world, it is too easy for a social media bandit to take a picture of him, alleging “behavioural issues” and next minute he is front page of the HS and sacked. 

Example 1:   A.Clarkson. 99% of people have written him off, and want him sacked. My guess is more than likely he doesn’t deserve to be sacked. Watch this space. 
 

8 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

De Goey has made the right call. In today’s hysterical world, it is too easy for a social media bandit to take a picture of him, alleging “behavioural issues” and next minute he is front page of the HS and sacked.

Ah yes, I'm sure Collingwood would sack one of their best players on a huge contract just simply off the basis of 1 social media post without investigating to the nth degree. Not an over the top take at all...

  

8 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

Example 1:   A.Clarkson. 99% of people have written him off, and want him sacked. My guess is more than likely he doesn’t deserve to be sacked. Watch this space.

Do they? I don't recall saying anyone anywhere saying Clarkson should be immediately sacked, let alone '99% of people'.

Couple of classic red hot takes here mate.

Imagine being paid millions to be an athlete and the one clause is 'don't be a [censored]' and you're not willing to commit to that 😆

14 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

De Goey has made the right call. In today’s hysterical world, it is too easy for a social media bandit to take a picture of him, alleging “behavioural issues” and next minute he is front page of the HS and sacked. 

The perceived injustices meted out to Jordan de Goey is a strange hill to die on. 

12 hours ago, Winners at last said:

I'd like to see TISM, but I'm too old for festivals.

I used to play in an 80s cover band. Our drummer was a mate of one of the members of TISM (Sean Kelly, same name as the Models guy, but a different person). He got us a gig once.

He wasn't the Ron Hitler-Barassi member of TISM ...

You realise you are on Demonland, right Bingers? And yes, you just said that out loud. 

FWIW, I believe you’re NEVER too old for festivals. I still go to festivals and concerts, and because I’m generally with friends half my age, I always end up in the mosh pit. Good times. 

I may be wrong because I have been predicting Cat’s demise for years but I reckon Pies may drop way down next year. It’s not possible to keep having the luck in close matches they had this year which then led to an overachieving emotionally driven finish. Maybe deGoey sees greener pastures.

35 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

De Goey has made the right call. In today’s hysterical world, it is too easy for a social media bandit to take a picture of him, alleging “behavioural issues” and next minute he is front page of the HS and sacked. 

Example 1:   A.Clarkson. 99% of people have written him off, and want him sacked. My guess is more than likely he doesn’t deserve to be sacked. Watch this space. 
 

He wouldn't have had that personal creepy touch that a certain leader has.

16 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

The perceived injustices meted out to Jordan de Goey is a strange hill to die on. 

Didn’t say that Axis. No doubt he has made poor decisions in the past, and deserved to pay the price for them.

I am saying moving forward, can understand why he doesn’t want to have additional clauses vs all other AFL players, when everyone will be watching his every move. 

 

Just now, 1964_2 said:

Didn’t say that Axis. No doubt he has made poor decisions in the past, and deserved to pay the price for them.

I am saying moving forward, can understand why he doesn’t want to have additional clauses vs all other AFL players, when everyone will be watching his every move. 

 

And I'd rather be paid a million dollars a year in my job ..... but my past actions and performances have suggested to my employer that doing that would be a terrible idea. It's the same with Collingwood and de Goey.

I assume that de Goey is thinking that someone is desperate enough that they will pay him a contract without the behavioural clauses (probably St Kilda, if history is anything to go by) and then make Collingwood decide to match that contract (without the clauses) or let him go. The really interesting bit will be if Collingwood matches the contract or not. 

13 hours ago, Winners at last said:

I'd like to see TISM, but I'm too old for festivals.

I used to play in an 80s cover band. Our drummer was a mate of one of the members of TISM (Sean Kelly, same name as the Models guy, but a different person). He got us a gig once.

He wasn't the Ron Hitler-Barassi member of TISM ...

Yeah I thought about going to Goodthings to see them but I too can't really get around the festival thing these days, especially on a Friday and this is coming from a former muso as well. It's quite a bit of money to fork out to see one band (love a lot of the others playing but seen them a lot)

Edited September 27, 20222 yr by layzie

1 minute ago, Axis of Bob said:

And I'd rather be paid a million dollars a year in my job ..... but my past actions and performances have suggested to my employer that doing that would be a terrible idea. It's the same with Collingwood and de Goey.

I assume that de Goey is thinking that someone is desperate enough that they will pay him a contract without the behavioural clauses (probably St Kilda, if history is anything to go by) and then make Collingwood decide to match that contract (without the clauses) or let him go. The really interesting bit will be if Collingwood matches the contract or not. 

Could well be right. Maybe willing to push Coll to remove the conditions. And if they don’t, he is happy to accept one of the other offers. 

Maybe he is also acknowledging within himself that he has un-resolved issues, and cant guarantee he will become a saint (pardon the pun) overnight. 
 

Isn't very common to have a contract that length with behavioural clauses? Seems to me it's usually like a 2-3 year with a chance to prove themselves and then get another. Maybe the clauses only last the first 2 years or something like that.

Pure conjecture but what if the behavioural clauses state they can dock half his contract or simply delist him as they see fit?

I can see why he would not not want to sign something like that.....and the clauses are probably pages long.

Collingwood will either look weak and relent on some of the clauses or will likely lose him to St Kilda, who will have many less clauses attached to his contract.

Tricky one to negotiate for the Pies! Suffer!

Edited September 27, 20222 yr by NeveroddoreveN

1 hour ago, 1964_2 said:

De Goey has made the right call. In today’s hysterical world, it is too easy for a social media bandit to take a picture of him, alleging “behavioural issues” and next minute he is front page of the HS and sacked. 

Example 1:   A.Clarkson. 99% of people have written him off, and want him sacked. My guess is more than likely he doesn’t deserve to be sacked. Watch this space. 
 

Hmm not sure about that. 

38 minutes ago, layzie said:

Isn't very common to have a contract that length with behavioural clauses? Seems to me it's usually like a 2-3 year with a chance to prove themselves and then get another. Maybe the clauses only last the first 2 years or something like that.

Maybe they have to put up with his [censored] cannot do much till 2 years have expired. 

1 hour ago, DeeMee said:

I may be wrong because I have been predicting Cat’s demise for years but I reckon Pies may drop way down next year. It’s not possible to keep having the luck in close matches they had this year which then led to an overachieving emotionally driven finish. Maybe deGoey sees greener pastures.

I hope you're right DeeMee but I actually fear the opposite, unfortunately. 

They have a fantastic coach, learnt a lot about their strengths, built a resolve as a team and unearthed some really good young talent. Will be a massive threat in 2023 I think. 

15 minutes ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Pure conjecture but what if the behavioural clauses state they can dock half his contract or simply delist him as they see fit?

I can see why he would not not want to sign something like that.....and the clauses are probably pages long.

Collingwood will either look weak and relent on some of the clauses or will likely lose him to St Kilda, who will have many less clauses attached to his contract.

Tricky one to negotiate for the Pies! Suffer!

 

2 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

De Goey has made the right call. In today’s hysterical world, it is too easy for a social media bandit to take a picture of him, alleging “behavioural issues” and next minute he is front page of the HS and sacked. 

Example 1:   A.Clarkson. 99% of people have written him off, and want him sacked. My guess is more than likely he doesn’t deserve to be sacked. Watch this space. 
 

I know!  It's getting to the point where you can't even (allegedly) forcibly touch a woman on the dancefloor and beat up her friend

It's just got hysterical!

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

 

That he is simply not willing to sign the clauses suggests to me that he has absolutely no plans to change his behavior. Good luck to Collingwood. 

24 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

That he is simply not willing to sign the clauses suggests to me that he has absolutely no plans to change his behavior. Good luck to Collingwood. 

3 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

The perceived injustices meted out to Jordan de Goey is a strange hill to die on. 

Very good A of B.