Post Match Discussion - Round 8

[beelzebub 23,342]

22 minutes ago, Redleg said:

My thoughts exactly.

Weid is not getting a lot of the ball, but is doing some nice things with it when he does.

Those possessions will increase with games, confidence and development,

Being NOT the 'target' fwd has given him wriggle room. 

A steady improvement is fine.

[Deestroy All 14,262]

‘All the Goals’ on the club website is false advertising this week, it’s not all the goals at all! This is an outrage and heads should roll. 

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

5 hours ago, Jaded said:

Weids is to 2018 what Oscar was to 2017

Much better than Weids being the 2016 Oscar

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

Tentacles McDonald the only Dee to make Cornes’ Team Of The Week. 

I thought Jeremy McGovern is arguably the best at contested marking but Cornes thinks not.

There isn't a better contested mark in the AFL than Tom McDonald.

Edited May 14, 2018 by Dee Zephyr

[jnrmac 20,058]

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

We'll be 6-3 for the first time to start a season in over a decade if we win this weekend.  You can cry into your coffee about it and blame the fixturing schedule, but I'll be pretty pleased to see us in this position when you factor in what we've put up with over the last 10 seasons.

What an plonker you must be, Who is crying in their coffee? Who is blaming the fixturing?

It's great we are winning. But the perspective is its 4 of the 5 bottom teams. We have lost to 3 teams in the 8.

How great will you feel next week if we drop a game to the Blues? We manage expectation so well at this club.

If we hit the bye having beaten Carlton, Collingwood, Buldogs and Adelaide then that will be something to get excited about.

[jnrmac 20,058]

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

We'll be 6-3 for the first time to start a season in over a decade if we win this weekend.  You can cry into your coffee about it and blame the fixturing schedule, but I'll be pretty pleased to see us in this position when you factor in what we've put up with over the last 10 seasons.

What an plonker you must be, Who is crying in their coffee? Who is blaming the fixturing?

It's great we are winning. But the perspective is its 4 of the 5 bottom teams. We have lost to 3 teams in the 8.

How great will you feel next week if we drop a game to the Blues? We manage expectation so well at this club.

If we hit the bye having beaten Carlton, Collingwood, Buldogs and Adelaide then that will be something to get excited about.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

14 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

What an plonker you must be, Who is crying in their coffee? Who is blaming the fixturing?

It's great we are winning. But the perspective is its 4 of the 5 bottom teams. We have lost to 3 teams in the 8.

How great will you feel next week if we drop a game to the Blues? We manage expectation so well at this club.

If we hit the bye having beaten Carlton, Collingwood, Buldogs and Adelaide then that will be something to get excited about.

Plonker?  Your vocab is moving up in the world, jnr.  Congratulations.

And yes, it's great we are winning games of footy.  So great that you had to post it twice.  Nice work.

[ManDee 7,134]

35 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Plonker?  Your vocab is moving up in the world, jnr.  Congratulations.

And yes, it's great we are winning games of footy.  So great that you had to post it twice.  Nice work.

Sorry Wise but it was, "an plonker".

[Redleg 40,894]

Wouldn't hurt us if the two Curnows go tonight.

[Redleg 40,894]

Herald Sun is calling us the best "tinkerers" in the AFL because we have created another mid in Harmes.

[Redleg 40,894]

 

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Posted 22 hours ago       Vogon Poetry

I ventured to Casey yesterday against my better judgement because when you get a chance to see 17 Demons running around and the weather is good the lure is just too strong.  Here's how I thought our blokes went.  As always when making these comments remember that the ground is big and it's very hard to see exactly what's happening on the other side.  There was a slight breeze blowing to the forward pocket at the northern end so that's where I stood.

Jack Viney:  First clearance of the match and first kick was just great to see.  He was harder and faster around the stoppages than everyone else and did a lot of the grunt stuff.  Looked in good touch and was generally very clean and kicked the ball well when he got the opportunity.  But he was heavily tagged for 3 quarters so he didn't find much space.  I'd be stunned if he wasn't back next week.

Billy Stretch:  I was a huge fan but was frustrated by his lack of improvement but yesterday I saw another side of Billy because instead of playing wing he played on ball, centre square and inside mid as well as outside.  And he did it very well.  He found the ball regularly, he had clean hands and pretty good decision making.  Initially he found his kicks and handballs smothered but as the game went on and he got his confidence he got better and better.  He's not as small as you might think and he's starting to use his body well in contested situations.  Finished with a lovely goal and was one of, if not, the best on the ground.  It is hard to see where he fits into the team though but will remain with us or in the AFL system based on yesterdays performace.  His challange is to back it up.  Promising signs but a way to go.

Frost:  Played a solid game with some good contested marking at times and a bit of dash and continued to do what he does.  He's a tweener at the moment, probably a bit too good for VFL but not good enough for AFL.  Still prone to silly mistakes like letting the ball go over the back of packs when he's last up but was a good contributor on the day.

Pedersen:  Full of fumbles I thought in the first half and not much of a contributor but stuck at it and played better as the game went on.  A great mark in the second quarter and a good contributor.  He played KPF and relief ruck.

JKH:  Played mainly forward and didn't really get into the game much.  Kicked the first goal of the match and I thought he might be in for a good one but faded and whilst he was far from poor he wasn't a major contributor.  It's hard to see where he goes from here.

Harley Balic:  He's an interesting player and one that if and when he plays senior footy for us will do it competently.  Played mainly high forward and was very clean with the ball, found it well and kicked it well.  Is capable above his head and knows where to run to provide options and find space.  It was his first game back for a while and he'd be pretty pleased with it.  It's hard to see where he fits in and will need some injuries to get a chance you'd think but when he plays he may well make it hard for whoever he replaces to get back in.  I like him and think at present he's a terrific 23 to 30 player on the list but he might improve significantly over time.  One to watch.

Jayden Hunt:  Poor old Jayden.  Looks bereft of confidence and really struggled to find the ball and get involved.  He just needs to start to try and enjoy his footy again and concentrate on the basics.  We all know what he can do but he didn't do it yesterday.

Tomas Bugg:  I'm not a fan but there's no doubt he can play at this level.  Started quite slowly but fought his way into the game and then really dominated it for a period where he kicked 3 goals quickly.  They were at the other end to me so I can't really judge them but he was a good contributor in the typical Buggy way.  It's really nice to see he's left the fake toughness behind and is just playing footy.

Oscar Baker:  Played wing and did it well.  I've seen him three time now live and yesterday was the best of them.  In the past the major knock is a lack of composure and an inability to see options and take them.  But yesterday was much better and he used the ball quite well.  He runs hard and takes the game on and has clean hands.  He goes hard for the ball too.  My view is he's still a long way from senior selection but moving in the right direction.  He certainly has some great attributes and he's great to watch and improving.

Harrison Petty:  I love this kid and that's what he is, a kid.  He reads the play really well, he reads the ball in the air really well and he's got sure hands above his head.  And when he gets it he has good vision and executes really well.  He was far from dominant yesterday but you can just tell he knows how to play footy and is a great prospect.  Two more preseasons I reckon and we'll all be happy.

Jeff Garlett:  It's hard to appreciate how quick he is unless you see it close hand.  And it's hard to understand how he can see options in a sea of players as quickly as he does.  But he does and was a clear cut above this level yesterday although he didn't get a lot of it.  He applied pressure and provided options yesterday as well as spending some time on ball.  Reality is he's a cut above Spargo at the moment (no criticism of Spargo) so I guess his selection will come down to how he's playing his role and whether Goody wants him back.  But he will get back and he is in our best 22 when he's going.

Dion Johnstone:  I think he's struggling at the moment and he played mainly back yesterday in what for me was a new role for him (I can't remember where he played against Richmond when I last saw him).  He's tough and he has a go but he's struggling to find the ball and get involved.  Hope he picks up but at the moment he's miles away.

Josh Wagner:  Solid and hard at it and a very good VFL player who did his bit yesterday in a very good team effort.  But he won't be pressing for a call up given yesterday's performance and that of the seniors.

Joel Smith:  He's getting back if he isn't back already.  I loved his game yesterday.  He was involved, he was clean, he did things faster than almost everyone else, he ran well and he provided options and got into space as well as being strong in the air.  His kicking is a weakness but I'd be very surprised if he doesn't press very hard for a game in the next month or so on that form.  He's great to watch.

Tim Smith:  I've watched Tim over a long period now and although he's played some good games I've never thought he had AFL attributes -  until yesterday.  He was fantastic I thought.  Strong in the air, strong on the ground and found plenty of it.  He's not called Bull for nothing and for the first time yesterday I thought he really could play AFL footy.  Great game.

Dec Keilty:  He played a really solid strong game without dominating.  I didn't see him make a mistake and he took some solid marks.  He was one of our three talls who, against good opposition, played their role well.

Lachlin Filipovic:  I like this kid.  He had to play against Ceglar who is a good near quality AFL ruckman and would replace McEvoy very competently.  Flipper did well in the ruck but struggled around the ground and in the air against a much more mature player.  But he does get involved and he has surprisingly good skills for a ruckman of his height and appears to make pretty good decisions.  I'd be amazed if he's not retained as a long term development project because he's showing good attributes.

 

This was Vogon Poetry's post on the Casey match day thread and I thought it would be good to post it here for those who might have missed it.

If you want to get excited, please feel free to do so, as we are building a very good and deep list.

 

[binman 42,885]

9 minutes ago, Redleg said:

This was Vogon Poetry's post on the Casey match day thread and I thought it would be good to post it here for those who might have missed it.

If you want to get excited, please feel free to do so, as we are building a very good and deep list.

 

But red they beat no one. Calm down. Put in perspective. Wait till they play a top club

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

What an plonker you must be, Who is crying in their coffee? Who is blaming the fixturing?

It's great we are winning. But the perspective is its 4 of the 5 bottom teams. We have lost to 3 teams in the 8.

How great will you feel next week if we drop a game to the Blues? We manage expectation so well at this club.

If we hit the bye having beaten Carlton, Collingwood, Buldogs and Adelaide then that will be something to get excited about.

I think its great. Good to see people celebrating the win in whatever way they choose. Good for morale around here too. 6-3 is really something positive for a change.

[jnrmac 20,058]

21 minutes ago, binman said:

But red they beat no one. Calm down. Put in perspective. Wait till they play a top club

You don't have to wait Binperson. We have played 3 and been beaten.

[Deemania since 56 6,634]

22 minutes ago, binman said:

But red they beat no one. Calm down. Put in perspective. Wait till they play a top club

So much for the theoretical 'even competition' this year.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

3 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

So much for the theoretical 'even competition' this year.

Have a look at next week, there are 7 one sided games. so much for the even sided competition. The haves and the have nots.

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Is there any chance we can enjoy our wins and keep them in perspective? 

Just a thought. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

7 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

You don't have to wait Binperson. We have played 3 and been beaten.

Look out @binman - he's moved on from calling people names, like 'an plonker', and just sticking with changing their username in a knee slapping fashion.  Maybe his vocab hasn't progressed as much as we thought... ?

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

I just think that its first and foremost a fan forum. Its ok to have a bit of a barrack now and then!! God knows weve been deprived of that over the years. Criticizing the side to the enth degree after a win is beyond me. As others have said the whole reason we didnt make the finals is because we lost to low teams too many times. At least in that fashion we seem to be progressing. We have some serious talent in this team, get out there and support them.

Enough of the fun police.

Edited May 15, 2018 by Wadda We Sing

[binman 42,885]

16 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

You don't have to wait Binperson. We have played 3 and been beaten.

Casey have been beaten by 3 top sides? I don't think so.

We have lost 2 games and of those two only the tigers are a top side (and we beat Box Hill who are a top side).

Yet to play stand alone powerhouses in Port and Williamstown. 

[Redleg 40,894]

1 hour ago, binman said:

But red they beat no one. Calm down. Put in perspective. Wait till they play a top club

I know the sarcasm is turned up high in relation to some posters, but this was about our list and future and is worth some current enthusiasm.

[binman 42,885]

18 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I know the sarcasm is turned up high in relation to some posters, but this was about our list and future and is worth some current enthusiasm.

Fan forum confusinitis. My fault. Apologies.

I was referring to Casey in my post. Not the MFC. I was being a bit of a smart arse.

But on serious note i 100% agree with you. We are building some good depth and i think it is both very exciting and worth a lot of enthusiasm. Look at the discussion about Tyson possibly going out for Viney. No chance of that being a possibility in previous seasons. 

I like that we have some good depth in most positions - the one concerning exception being the ruck , though Flip looks a prospect and King can get there i hope. 

Bets of all we finally have some serious pressure coming from the twos. Smith is pushing hard for selection, Stretch played well, Garlett must be close and players like Bugg, Frost and Wagner are all pushing hard for selection. Very positive signs.

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1 hour ago, binman said:

Casey have been beaten by 3 top sides? I don't think so.

We have lost 2 games and of those two only the tigers are a top side (and we beat Box Hill who are a top side).

Yet to play stand alone powerhouses in Port and Williamstown. 

IIRC Port are red and blue or has that changed? If not, what's our VFL clash strip? (Sorry, there's no VFL on the telly in northern NSW)

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

1 hour ago, Wadda We Sing said:

 

Go you Demons

Edited May 15, 2018 by Wadda We Sing

[Gator 17,332]

On 5/13/2018 at 10:48 PM, Deestroy All said:

The Weid will be fine, whether he’s dropped or not. I doubt he will be. I’ve said before we’ve seen him do a bit of everything, it’s a matter of time before he does it all in one game. I realise I hadn’t seen endurance when I said that, so it’s pleasing that he was up there with Hogan well into the match. He’ll be right. 

 

As for not not beating anyone yet, Richmond still haven’t beaten anyone from last years top 8 either. And we made lighter work of North than they did and Richmond haven’t had an injury for 3 years.

It’s an even comp, we’ve strung 10 good quarters in a row together and easily disposed of the so called lesser teams, not everyone is doing that. 

I've only just read this, but yours and binman's are excellent posts.

It's worth noting that this new structure (Weideman and McDonald back) has allowed Gawn to kick goals in each of the last 3 games.  Not only is Gawn getting important resting time, it's affording him the luxury of drifting forward and hitting the scoreboard.

People can carry on about who we've beaten, but we're a very different team than the ones that ran out in the first 4 rounds.  Against Hawthorn Hogan was the only tall forward they had to cover.  If we played them this week they'd have to cater for Hogan, Weideman, Tom McDonald and a resting Gawn.

It's easy to call out the fixture, but it's as if those same people don't realise we're a vastly different prospect to a month ago.

And we're only going to get better.