2 hours ago, red&blue1982 said:

To me there seems to be a trend where fans favorites are usually nice boys.

Players like Bugg, Kent, Silvia and Moloney to name a few, may have issues with club rules, but having had too passive a playing list for so long surely they should be encouraged not condemned.

In my opinion there's a club bias towards clean cut players like Oliver, Watts, Trengrove,  and so on. Quicknote, I'm not slandering those players just mentioned.

'When the going gets tuff, what do we sing!'

Thoughts? 

you neglected to give some examples of hard players

No-one more well liked than Viney and no-one harder in the league

My questions and examples weren't well framed. Yeah i was following, but very young. 

2 hours ago, jackaub said:

Yep they sure do in the members just so damn conservative,so nice,so fair -minded,so soft.

I have never seen so many biscuit dunking tea drinkers in one place at one time

And please no more Brighton Grammer boys ok?

 

2 hours ago, jackaub said:

Yep they sure do in the members just so damn conservative,so nice,so fair -minded,so soft.

I have never seen so many biscuit dunking tea drinkers in one place at one time

And please no more Brighton Grammer boys ok?

Judging by your spelling of Grammar I can see you didn't go to school there. No more Jayden Hunts from Brighton Grammar?

3 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

 

Judging by your spelling of Grammar I can see you didn't go to school there. No more Jayden Hunts from Brighton Grammar?

Sure Bobby not my school as it happens. How's your tea and Biscuits?

3 hours ago, jackaub said:

Yep they sure do in the members just so damn conservative,so nice,so fair -minded,so soft.

I have never seen so many biscuit dunking tea drinkers in one place at one time

And please no more Brighton Grammer boys ok?

You don't sit near us then

The problem is that our "hard" players are never of the Selwood or Dangerfield or Hodge variety. We seem to draft a whole bunch of Mitch Robinson's who seem to embrace the fact they're AFL players and that's it. Go through the motions, do what you need and get the pay check. 

A "hard" player is either one driven by success or driven by the symbolism attached to what it is to be recognised as a "hard" player.

Moloney and Sylvia were both equally good players as they were dumb and lazy. As soon as the going actually got tough, they were ineffective. 

I think Melbourne supporters just hate losers. We've had a lot of those players over the years. Perennial losers who could easy notch flags at VFL level but don't have the mental capacity or drive at AFL level.

 

Papa's favourite player.

Classic photo of Marcus! Hehe.

3 hours ago, jackaub said:

Yep they sure do in the members just so damn conservative,so nice,so fair -minded,so soft.

I have never seen so many biscuit dunking tea drinkers in one place at one time

And please no more Brighton Grammer boys ok?

Equating where you went to school with your hardness is a rubbish argument

Having played against plenty of teams from "tough" suburbs i have found as many squibbers in non grammar backgrounds

Tough enough to whack you behind play from behind but not so tough getting the hard ball

You might be right that privilege breeds complacency but it might easily be seen to demand higher standards than the riff raff

14 minutes ago, red&blue1982 said:

Classic photo of Marcus! Hehe.

He also loved Pikey and would always point them out excitedly whenever they got into a shoving match or bumped players off the ball. I guess he saw them as standard setters.

Is that your own football card? I remember collecting those!

Pike was pretty to the point. Impressive career!

I for one love them!

Unfortunately we just haven't had enough of them over the past 10 years or so.

5 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I for one love them!

Unfortunately we just haven't had enough of them over the past 10 years or so.

Agreed.

2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I remember the days when mixed metaphors were as rare as hen's teeth and posters needed to be as hard as a cat's head to withstand criticism for using them.

ah.....i do miss good 'ol bjelke joe

1 hour ago, Deeprived Childhood said:

He also loved Pikey and would always point them out excitedly whenever they got into a shoving match or bumped players off the ball. I guess he saw them as standard setters.

We got rid of him because he liked to drink beer in his undies when he wasn't training.

Leigh Matthews let him do it as long as he never missed a (training) session.

This guy has oodles of toughness and there would not be a supporter who does not admire this about him 

Wish we had more like him!!

35 minutes ago, Biffen said:

We got rid of him because he liked to drink beer in his undies when he wasn't training.

Leigh Matthews let him do it as long as he never missed a (training) session.

I didn't know that. Funny. He became very important for the Lions.

47 minutes ago, Biffen said:

We got rid of him because he liked to drink beer in his undies when he wasn't training.

Leigh Matthews let him do it as long as he never missed a (training) session.

Perhaps he only meant the 'on field physicality or pub fight standard setters'

4 hours ago, dino rover said:

Equating where you went to school with your hardness is a rubbish argument

Having played against plenty of teams from "tough" suburbs i have found as many squibbers in non grammar backgrounds

Tough enough to whack you behind play from behind but not so tough getting the hard ball

You might be right that privilege breeds complacency but it might easily be seen to demand higher standards than the riff raff

The issue  Dino is about the  Melbourne supporters and what they percieve.

Nothing to do with being wacked or any other on fileld behaviour

The thesis is  whether the mainstraem MFC supporters dislike hard players

ok? My argument is that in the members they are a very very conservative lot who do dislike hard players(read not good guys from good schools)

Lets keep the discussion on track

What happens outside the members Iwill admit I have no idea.I would apprecciate some  illumination from there.

By the way, complacency doesn't begin to describe some supporters lack of understanding.

The trouble with the likes of Grinter, Pike and company is that with our fast developing no contact rule they would be suspended endlessly and wouldn't be of much use to the team.

 

30 minutes ago, jackaub said:

The issue  Dino is about the  Melbourne supporters and what they percieve.

Nothing to do with being wacked or any other on fileld behaviour

The thesis is  whether the mainstraem MFC supporters dislike hard players

ok? My argument is that in the members they are a very very conservative lot who do dislike hard players(read not good guys from good schools)

Lets keep the discussion on track

What happens outside the members Iwill admit I have no idea.I would apprecciate some  illumination from there.

By the way, complacency doesn't begin to describe some supporters lack of understanding.

 Jackaub, you didn't answer my question on Brighton Grammar product Jayden Hunt. Do you not think he is tough and courageous? I guess you think Christian Salem a squib because he went to Brighton.

Strange hypothesis!

Perhaps the toughest of all pound-for-pound was Matty 'The Wrecker' Whelan. Think he is one of the most loved we've had in 40 years. Neitz was well regarded too

Personally I don't like faux tough guys like Dunn.

I think the Op needs to rethink what hard is, if they think Bugg is hard, and Oliver isn't.

Love the hard nuts like Viney, Jetta, Oliver, Hibberd and a guy like Jayden Hunt who will throw his body in to contests. Players willing to put their bodies on the line will always be endearing to me.

Not so sold on someone like Bugg who can be a pest but when it works it does give the team a bit of swagger. His punch was out of character and I didn't like that we left him by himself on that.

Not convinced by Lewis and Vince getting suspensions as their careers age and they slow down and get frustrated. Especially when it's off the ball strikes or rather soft little elbows that are just silly.

Think there's room in this side for a forward line aggressive player who might suspended for rough tackles or bumps but is a physical presence and serves it up to teams. Enter Aaron vandenBerg possibly.

7 hours ago, Biffen said:

We got rid of him because he liked to drink beer in his undies when he wasn't training.

Leigh Matthews let him do it as long as he never missed a (training) session.

 

6 hours ago, red&blue1982 said:

I didn't know that. Funny. He became very important for the Lions.

My understanding is we let him go as he allegedly assaulted a female MFC employee while under the influence?