6 minutes ago, Rocky said:

says who?

Says me. They are clearly the 2 best talents in this years draft, and aside from the King twins and Rankine from SA, i'd consider Rayner and Davies-Uniacke comparable with the others being bandied about as other potential top 5/10 picks for next year.

But as is well known, the draft is a lottery, the chance of the #1 pick in this years draft or next years draft becoming the best player from their respective drafts is not that great.

Edited October 12, 20177 yr by Demon Disciple

Pick upgrades normally happen in the final hour of two of trade period when most deals for players have been done so clubs know what picks everyone will finish up with 

3 hours ago, SFebey said:

Mahoney pretty well eliminating any chance of us trading for another player if I read him correctly, putting to bed any rumours that we are after someone else besides Balic who we knew of.

 

3 hours ago, Robbie57 said:

That is clearly what he said....... but is it a ruse?

Pretty sure he said similar last year after we got Hibberd then up bobbed Lewis...

Never say never.

As per redleg post, I'd bundle up for Schache if we could

3 hours ago, DemonOX said:

Not trying to upgrade our pics. Going on what he said we r after Balic and that’s it.

He did mention that the Lever deal was fair for both parties. That I’m not too sure about. To me it just seemed they wanted the Lever deal done ASAP cause we wanted him. 

Imo this may be why we gave the cows two fist rounders rather than wait it out. 

I heard it differently. When asked about if we'd be involved in more deals the interviewer completed the question by asking if JKH would be on the trade table.This skewed Mahoney's answer but definitely he didn't rule out future involvement this year. If Watts goes soon we'll be into it up to our ears!

27 and 35 for Schache and 42? Values Schache at pick 23. Not sure what he is worth.

1 hour ago, rjay said:

 

Pretty sure he said similar last year after we got Hibberd then up bobbed Lewis...

Never say never.

I agree, although this year it wouldn't surprise me if Watts and Balic are our last bits of business.  I'd love something else to pop up, but I'd be happy to stick with what we have and go to the draft this time around.

24 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I agree, although this year it wouldn't surprise me if Watts and Balic are our last bits of business.  I'd love something else to pop up, but I'd be happy to stick with what we have and go to the draft this time around.

I think Watts will get done tomorrow for pick 29 from Port. 

I also think we package up some picks to get lower down the draft order 

Edited October 12, 20177 yr by Demons11

Just now, Demons11 said:

I think Watts will get done tomorrow for pick 29 from Port

I'll be interested to see if that's enough, as Mahoney has stated we want an early second rounder, and I don't see that one as early.  Maybe Watts and a 4th round pick for Picks 29 and 33?  Wishful thinking probably, but I don't see us folding for Pick 29 on it's own.

why would we get rid of watts, only to pick up Schache who reportedly has competitive and resilience issues himself. No thanks!

5 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

why would we get rid of watts, only to pick up Schache who reportedly has competitive and resilience issues himself. No thanks!

Because Schache has had two years in the system interstate and Watts has been playing in his home town for 9 years. I'm intrigued by the apparent lack of interest in Schache.

3 minutes ago, Goodvibes said:

I'm intrigued by the apparent lack of interest in Schache.

Herald-Sun intimated that he broke down in tears at the interview with the Tigers, which put them right off

If he’s super cheap...

51 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

27 and 35 for Schache and 42? Values Schache at pick 23. Not sure what he is worth.

Done.

17 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I'll be interested to see if that's enough, as Mahoney has stated we want an early second rounder, and I don't see that one as early.  Maybe Watts and a 4th round pick for Picks 29 and 33?  Wishful thinking probably, but I don't see us folding for Pick 29 on it's own.

We have apparently said we would take 29 for Watts.

On 11/10/2017 at 3:38 PM, Siren said:

All caught up in the lever deal. Trying to keep our next year first rounder which Adelaide want

Any update now the Lever deal has cost next year's first rounder. Is it still alive. 

16 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

why would we get rid of watts, only to pick up Schache who reportedly has competitive and resilience issues himself. No thanks!

Because he is 20, 199cms, 96 kgs and was a number 2 draft pick who clearly has talent. Now playing in his home state with good support he has the chance to be a very good footballer. I would love it if that was with us. 

6 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

Herald-Sun intimated that he broke down in tears at the interview with the Tigers, which put them right off

If he’s super cheap...

 

Just now, Redleg said:

Because he is 20, 199cms, 96 kgs and was a number 2 draft pick who clearly has talent. Now playing in his home state with good support he has the chance to be a very good footballer. I would love it if that was with us. 

Red, you don't have any concerns as to the veracity of the above post?

I'd be quietly backing out the door, while avoiding eye contact if I was doing the interview. Then pretending it never happened.

4 hours ago, Nascent said:

Unless I'm mistaken this is how it stands at the moment post Lever trade.

Three spots left on primary list: 28, 35, 46 (65,  83 pending further list changes)

Bring Balic in and we only have two however trading Watts out opens it up again.

Say Balic gets traded for 46 and Watts leaves for 30.

We go to the draft with 28, 30, 35. Can't help but feel we'll package those up for an earlier pick. We've said in the past we were done before pulling out a trade that no one was expecting so I'll be watching this space.

28, 30, 35 = 1828 points or the "afl equivalent" of between pick 5 and 6. Considering the supposed weakness of the draft I don't see any teams parting with a top 10 pick for that combo. 

Looking at the draft order it's hard trying to see where a good package would come from in a direct swap that isn't somewhat lopsided, but perhaps something like Brisbane's 18 & 42 could work. Guess it all depends on how Taylor views this draft depth or if he has a target in mind that we need to trade up for.

 

 

Fremantle had their offer of next years 2nd rounder for Wilson knocked back by GWS.

Personally reckon that should have gotten the deal done, but think Freo now want our pick 28 for Balic to get the Wilson deal done.

Wonder if we can bundle up some picks for Balic and Freo's future 2nd?

If we take two 2nd round picks into 2018 we might be able to (next year) target a club with decent academy players or father sons coming through to get back in the 1st round.

Edited October 12, 20177 yr by ChaserJ

1 minute ago, ChaserJ said:

Fremantle had their offer of next years 2nd rounder for Wilson knocked back by GWS.

Personally reckon that should have gotten the deal done, but think Freo now want 28 for Balic to get the Wilson deal done.

Wonder if we can bundle up some picks for Balic and Freo's future 2nd?

If we take two 2nd round picks into 2018 we might be able to (next year) target a club with decent academy players or father sons coming through to get back in the 1st round.

Ugh. That would suck. Balic isn't worth anything like a second rounder.

17 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Any update now the Lever deal has cost next year's first rounder. Is it still alive. 

Would love an update @Siren

8 minutes ago, faultydet said:

 

Red, you don't have any concerns as to the veracity of the above post?

I'd be quietly backing out the door, while avoiding eye contact if I was doing the interview. Then pretending it never happened.

If true there could be many reasons for emotion.

I don't think it means he couldn't be a good player.

We actually want our players to play with emotion, but yes I know, not cry.

I believe Plugger cried a bit when the pig was released on the ground and then he smashed a Swan players jaw and I think kicked 8.

All the clubs obviously know of this situation with Josh and maybe he was just letting it out, but clearly it has put most clubs off him and dropped his price considerably. For a cheap price I would take him. If he fails he fails. It's not like every selection in the draft  we have taken succeeds. However if he were to succeed it would be a brilliant get.

Edited October 12, 20177 yr by Redleg

4 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Ugh. That would suck. Balic isn't worth anything like a second rounder.

Not in a straight swap, he isn't.

Just think we might be able to use Freo's desperation to get a bit more out of the deal.

Just now, Redleg said:

If true there could be many reasons for emotion.

I don't think it means he couldn't be a good player.

We actually want our players to play with emotion, but yes I know, not cry.

I believe Plugger cried a bit when the pig was released on the ground and then he smashed a Swan players jaw and I think kicked 8.

All the clubs obviously know of this situation with Josh and maybe he was just letting it out, but clearly it has put most clubs off him and dropped his price considerably. For a cheap price I would take him. If he fails he fails. It's not like every selection in the draft  we have taken succeeds.

Thanks Red

Not sure if a fragile mind would cope with Jack Vineys temperament. My worry is that he is another of those hulking blokes who never realise just how big and dangerous they could be. A Paul Johnson type maybe?

Latish pick, yeah, why not, but anything where Taylor thinks he can pluck a special, and I would say no thanks.

Just now, ChaserJ said:

Not in a straight swap, he isn't.

Just think we might be able to use Freo's desperation to get a bit more out of the deal.

Ah I see. Yeah.

Feels to me like any of those other Fitzpatrick/McKenna type deals where a club doesn't really want a guy too much, the guy wants out, the club knows they don't have any bargaining power since the kid hasn't done anything. Make it happen for a regulation swap of late picks.

I don't want to be a negative nancy... but I had high hopes for guys like Kennedy. Balic comes with even less to recommend him. Seems a lot to me like it's list clogger. But I spose the club might think he's better than whoever is available at pick 60ish.

1 minute ago, Dappa Dan said:

Ah I see. Yeah.

Feels to me like any of those other Fitzpatrick/McKenna type deals where a club doesn't really want a guy too much, the guy wants out, the club knows they don't have any bargaining power since the kid hasn't done anything. Make it happen for a regulation swap of late picks.

I don't want to be a negative nancy... but I had high hopes for guys like Kennedy. Balic comes with even less to recommend him. Seems a lot to me like it's list clogger. But I spose the club might think he's better than whoever is available at pick 60ish.

In this draft, there's a very good chance he'll be better than most available at pick 23ish.