Post Match Discussion - Round 19

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Hey @Satyriconhome.

Remember that time you said that players knew exactly what weight they needed to be after a few of us thought that Cam Pederson was carrying too much pudge?

http://www.aflplayers.com.au/article/players-voice-cam-pedersen/

Let me know your thoughts ^

I dare say Dean Kent needs to take a leaf out of Pedo's book if he wants to stay on the list beyond next year. What do you reckon?

Edited July 31, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

5 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Hey @Satyriconhome.

Remember that time you said that players knew exactly what weight they needed to be after a few of us thought that Cam Pederson was carrying too much pudge?

http://www.aflplayers.com.au/article/players-voice-cam-pedersen/

Let me know your thoughts ^

I dare say Dean Kent needs to take a leaf out of Pedo's book if he wants to stay on the list beyond next year. What do you reckon?

What I said was that Cam had discussed with me that they had re signed him as is ie a big bodied forward, obviously this changed, as they do, Garlett had had a reasonable but was told to go away on work on his tank.

We have covered this ad infinitum, but the again Demonland does remind me of Groundhog Day

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

4 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

What I said was that Cam had discussed with me that they had re signed him as is ie a big bodied forward, obviously this changed, as they do, Garlett had had a reasonable but was told to go away on work on his tank.

We have covered this ad infinitum, but the again Demonland does remind me of Groundhog Day

^ you mustn't have opened the link I copied to read the words Cam himself had written about the shape he came back in post surgery.

 

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

1 minute ago, stevethemanjordan said:

^ you mustn't have opened the link I copied to read the words Cam himself had written about the shape he came back in post surgery.

 

He assumed he was going to play around same weight as previous years, he was wrong, not sure which bit you are not getting or are you just wanting the bonus points on offer?

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

He assumed he was going to play around same weight as previous years, he was wrong, not sure which bit you are not getting or are you just wanting the bonus points on offer?

"I had a shoulder reconstruction over the pre-season and came back a little bit heavy, so Simon Goodwin sat me down and said, ‘you want to put a jumper on for this club then get down to the weight you need to be at.’

He told me that the way I was at the time wasn’t going to help the team and that I was probably being a bad teammate. The role that they needed me to play required me to be lighter and agile and so the challenge was set."

 

Unless there was an obvious miscommunication along the way, it seems to me that Pedo didn't really understand what 'giving everything of yourself' looked like. Until Goodwin literally had to spell it out to him. He didn't assume anything. He just didn't work hard enough and wasn't disciplined enough with his diet. Which still baffles me for a player of his age playing in the AFL on a one-year contract.

It's something that a few of us had already observed and had asked of. And finally it happened. 

Yes I want the bonus points. All of them.

Also, losing 10kg in five weeks seems a drastic response to "coming back a little bit heavy". No?  Interesting choice of words he used there. Maybe he meant, "I came back way too heavy".

 

 

Edited July 31, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[Willmoy1947 3,780]

You could see the look on the Maggots face in the last quarter, when we kicked the goal that put us in front. It was, I've got to square up for that one, to himself, and he did......

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2 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

6 marks i50 in the last qtr to them. That's the game right there. 

Good point, even that goal they kicked due to luck was bad defending. Into the wind you must play in front for the quick drop of the ball, school yard stuff really.

[beelzebub 22,225]

We really didn't understand "wind" did we 

[Winners at last 4,734]

2 hours ago, willmoy said:

You could see the look on the Maggots face in the last quarter, when we kicked the goal that put us in front. It was, I've got to square up for that one, to himself, and he did......

I stand to be corrected, but I don't think the Demons actually got in front. I thought we just got level at one stage.

[Lucifers Hero 37,072]

Oliver still tracking nicely in the AFLCA votes: 

This week:
8 Ben Brown (NM)
8 Clayton Oliver (Melb)
5 Andrew Swallow (NM)
5 Jack Ziebell (NM)
3 Tom McDonald (Melb)
1 Shaun Higgins (NM)

Overall:

AFLCA LEADERBOARD
101 Dustin Martin (Rich)
94 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
69 Tom Mitchell (Haw)
67 Zach Merrett (Ess)
66 Dayne Zorko (BL)
62 Clayton Oliver (Melb)
62 Rory Sloane (Adel)
61 Gary Ablett (GC)
61 Joel Selwood (Geel)
60 Sebastian Ross (StK) 

A great chance to win our B&F with Hibberd and Jetta not far behind.

 

[Pennant St Dee 11,279]

9 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Pennant. If i might ask. Who's job is 'structures' ? Who's to shuffle assignments ?

Aint the players ?

I don't think there was anything to wrong with the structures for the game. I know we can say lets put Tmac behind the ball into the wind but the times we were caught in bad match ups were when the Roos broke through the press to IMO due to tackles not sticking. I thought our skill execution overall were poor and I can cop that due to the conditions but tackling is a must no matter what the conditions. We set ourselves up in the last quarter the two goals we gave up were poor clearance work which saw Swallow in space find Brown gain space on Hibberd after his slip. The second was North pinned into their defensive 50 and young players in Mountford and Neilson (I think) break a couple of poor tackles to end up getting the ball over the press forward of the wing and find players like Higgins running hard for an option over the top (as soon as identifying tackles were broken). We end up with a quick hit and hope kick holding up in the wind falling into Browns lap. The defensive set up for the mongrel punt falling short was shocking defending with defenders caught behind their opponents. 

To me that is all down to the players tackles not sticking, not running as hard on your direct opponent. Bernie Vince also needs to be held to account he would have run with Higgins nut wasn't available due to a lack of discipline.

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5 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

I don't think there was anything to wrong with the structures for the game. I know we can say lets put Tmac behind the ball into the wind but the times we were caught in bad match ups were when the Roos broke through the press to IMO due to tackles not sticking. I thought our skill execution overall were poor and I can cop that due to the conditions but tackling is a must no matter what the conditions. We set ourselves up in the last quarter the two goals we gave up were poor clearance work which saw Swallow in space find Brown gain space on Hibberd after his slip. The second was North pinned into their defensive 50 and young players in Mountford and Neilson (I think) break a couple of poor tackles to end up getting the ball over the press forward of the wing and find players like Higgins running hard for an option over the top (as soon as identifying tackles were broken). We end up with a quick hit and hope kick holding up in the wind falling into Browns lap. The defensive set up for the mongrel punt falling short was shocking defending with defenders caught behind their opponents. 

To me that is all down to the players tackles not sticking, not running as hard on your direct opponent. Bernie Vince also needs to be held to account he would have run with Higgins nut wasn't available due to a lack of discipline.

Higgins stitched him up last time. 

100% agree with the point regarding tackles, couldn't believe some of Petracca's efforts. Unfortunately I could believe many of Watts' efforts.

Our game plan isn't suited to playing in conditions like this. A game plan based around bombing a ball in and locking it in rather than looking for targets is always going to struggle to score against a breeze.

 

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,202]

The positive is that we won the last quarter.

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21 hours ago, bingers said:

I stand to be corrected, but I don't think the Demons actually got in front. I thought we just got level at one stage.

Tommy Mac put us 1 point up at the 15 minute mark.

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On 7/30/2017 at 10:10 AM, BAMF said:

It was my first time to the ground in over a decade. Truly terrible. I thought I would be getting good seats for the price I paid. I couldn't see [censored] when the play wasn't in front of me. usually this is ok as you can watch a big screen, but they were so far away and the image wasn't zoomed in so it was basically the same view as the one from my seat.

Food was terrible and stone cold. I have had much better food at local footy.

Only having cubicles for toilets made the lines huge. Bizare choice not to have some urinals.

Great to see staff checking bags when walking into the ground. But only if you walk near the tables where they are checking. Heaps of people walking straight through the middle without getting checked.

20 buses ready to go when the game was over. They decided to load them up one bus at a time in single file. 

Yep, we got on one of those buses too. I reckon we were waiting at least an hour. Really poorly done.