Andrew Leoncelli - Hero

[jackaub 1,402]

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

not for job satisfaction, unless you are a masochist or just like the uniform and the toys 

No daisy its about power

[Beetle 4,673]

2 minutes ago, jackaub said:

No daisy its about power

Oh is that right jackaub?

Clearly you have a chip on your shoulder in relation to police officers...

Please enlighten me as to how this "power" relates to all 13,000 Victoria Police members..

[daisycutter 29,738]

13 minutes ago, Beetle said:

glad to see you are happy with the situation. and i'm pro cop, but the force is becoming increasingly ineffective due to lack of leadership, both command and political

[jnrmac 20,186]

4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Melbourne Airport

Tactical Response Team

( in full flight  ) 

Nah, there's no doughnuts in the picture....

[daisycutter 29,738]

15 minutes ago, jackaub said:

No daisy its about power

actually jack i don't have a problem with power, but there is good power and bad power

[Pates 9,660]

15 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

[censored] protocol. Get the passengers off the plane. 

90 minutes before the doors were opened...

Look honestly that would be my first thought. The passengers and crew had him subdued, at the very least I would've thought they could at least evacuate parts of the plane once on the ground. I would think without credible evidence that this man was coordinating with someone else that getting the passengers away from the plan would be the first reaction.

But as Beetle elegantly put it, we are not experts in police tactics and decision making. The most important thing that comes from this is a thorough review on whether this protocol would work had there been more immediate danger. Truthfully I think we would be very slow on the uptake were there to be a serious terrorist attack in Australia.

[Beetle 4,673]

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

glad to see you are happy with the situation. and i'm pro cop, but the force is becoming increasingly ineffective due to lack of leadership, both command and political

Perhaps make your thoughts known the the state government then.

I don't disagree..(not saying YOU were) but don't blame he troops on the frontline.

[beelzebub 23,383]

Just now, Beetle said:

Perhaps make your thoughts known the the state government then.

I don't disagree..(not saying YOU were) but don't blame he troops on the frontline.

Who is ?

Command is the problem. 

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,274]

I've met Andrew. Not surprised to hear of his heroism. Loved him as a player, and a top bloke as well !!

[beelzebub 23,383]

A question to be raised.. how 'useful' was the MAS cabin crew ? 

 

[monoccular 17,573]

48 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

[censored] protocol. Get the passengers off the plane. 

90 minutes before the doors were opened...

Any commercial plane has to be able to be evacuated completely in 90 seconds

IF there was a bomb surely getting the passengers off asap, even if not a 90 second evacuation with slides etc, would be ideal.

[MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday 499]

58 minutes ago, Beetle said:

The same D#@kheads on here were probably calling for Weiderman over Pedersen rd1.. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,130]

14 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Any commercial plane has to be able to be evacuated completely in 90 seconds

IF there was a bomb surely getting the passengers off asap, even if not a 90 second evacuation with slides etc, would be ideal.

My first thought. Evacuate just like the Safety Card says!!

[MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday 499]

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

My first thought. Evacuate just like the Safety Card says!!

Clearly it wasn't a Bomb was it? The "terrorist" was described as a mentally unstable Sri Lankan National and hardly sounded prepared to high jack a plane. Esp given the fact they were only 6000ft in the air and could easily turn around..

[Sir Why You Little 37,130]

Just now, Mud Dogs Gonna Win said:

Clearly it wasn't a Bomb was it? The "terrorist" was described as a mentally unstable Sri Lankan National and hardly sounded prepared to high jack a plane. Esp given the fact they were only 6000ft in the air and could easily turn around..

Nobody had opened his battery charger at that stage. 

It was an unknown...

[MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday 499]

5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Nobody had opened his battery charger at that stage. 

It was an unknown...

I think if the "Sri Lankan"was going to blow up the plane and was a suicide bomber.. he would of done it when he was tackled..

[Ethan Tremblay 30,967]

1 hour ago, Beetle said:

Oh is that right jackaub?

Clearly you have a chip on your shoulder in relation to police officers...

Please enlighten me as to how this "power" relates to all 13,000 Victoria Police members..

Jackaub has recently received a speeding fine or tried to get into the Police and failed. 

[jane02 3,749]

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Who is ?

Command is the problem. 

After watching the Four Corners investigation of the Lindt siege, I totally agree Command is the biggest problem. Like the people on this plane, the Lindt hostages thought the police would come in quickly and rescue them. What a total disaster. This could have been the same. I totally respect the police but our Command need a shake up and some experienced personnel from overseas need to be bought in pronto.

[jnrmac 20,186]

1 hour ago, Pates said:

Look honestly that would be my first thought. The passengers and crew had him subdued, at the very least I would've thought they could at least evacuate parts of the plane once on the ground. I would think without credible evidence that this man was coordinating with someone else that getting the passengers away from the plan would be the first reaction.

But as Beetle elegantly put it, we are not experts in police tactics and decision making. The most important thing that comes from this is a thorough review on whether this protocol would work had there been more immediate danger. Truthfully I think we would be very slow on the uptake were there to be a serious terrorist attack in Australia.

The problem is, all the reports are that the police were in disarray. Local command hadn't been told, equipment coundn't be located yada yada

[daisycutter 29,738]

what ever there was to know would have been learnt in 10 minutes conversations with the plane, before the plane even landed

[Pates 9,660]

6 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The problem is, all the reports are that the police were in disarray. Local command hadn't been told, equipment coundn't be located yada yada

If that is the case then as I said earlier a review into how this was handled is very important. We should consider ourselves lucky that the first time anyone has tried anything like this turned out to be a nutter with a set of bluetooth speakers. 

[Beetle 4,673]

7 minutes ago, Pates said:

If that is the case then as I said earlier a review into how this was handled is very important. We should consider ourselves lucky that the first time anyone has tried anything like this turned out to be a nutter with a set of bluetooth speakers. 

Perhaps it's not the first time anyone has tried/planned anything like this Pates..

Who would know though....surely nothing has been thwarted previously, given the incompetence of the Victorian Police Force?!

[Biffen 12,947]

No need to justify terrible policing.

They are absolutely hopeless,weak,useless,time servers.

If I was Leoncelli I would sue the airline and the AFP.

" Come and get this nut job now or I will let him go- this is not my job "

 

[Pates 9,660]

8 minutes ago, Beetle said:

Perhaps it's not the first time anyone has tried/planned anything like this Pates..

Who would know though....surely nothing has been thwarted previously, given the incompetence of the Victorian Police Force?!

It's not the thwarting I'm concerned with. I actually feel our intelligence for preempting attacks on us are quite good, it's more the response when attacks/incidents occur. Even look at the Bourke street incident, now again I'm not criticising the police and their actions but it needs to be (and I'm sure is being) reviewed about how they proceeded and whether in the future incidents like that can be resolved more effective.

It's no different to how air crashes are investigated, you gather as much information as you can and decide whether things can be improved for the future.

[Beetle 4,673]

8 minutes ago, Biffen said:

No need to justify terrible policing.

They are absolutely hopeless,weak,useless,time servers.

If I was Leoncelli I would sue the airline and the AFP.

" Come and get this nut job now or I will let him go- this is not my job "

 

I love the use of the term "weak" coming from an alias username on an internet site..

You must tear people new assholes for a living then I take it?

I bet you really show those pens and keyboard buttons you push who's boss on a daily basis!