Elephants in the room! x 2

[picket fence 15,414]

Well I have to say it .....

Elephant 1 

Viney has been very very average in the three games as captain and needs to lift! I wasn't that happy with his premature elevation to captaincy with Jones and I still haven't seen anything to make me change my mind that he is up to it! Tries to break tackles after tackles a la Dangerfield and Selwood , which , ah he is not! 

Elephant 2 

Watts was simply Outstanding today, All the Watts knockers need to liberally eat that famous pie "Humble"

His leadership, courage and skills shone out today in a role which he is not cut out for. Great game Jack and that goal , taking on opposition was "Priceless"

Edited April 8, 2017 by picket fence

[Ted Lasso 16,968]

I thought this would be about oscar for sure. 

Must admit I agree on Viney, the captaincy call didn't seem like it needed to happen, he seems like he is more worried about others than himself, we should have learned our lesson 

[At the break of Gawn 3,590]

Elephant 1 - he's definitely out of form, but I think he held Dangerfield quite well early on. Faded in last qtr.

Elephant 2 - Watts did play well and I think everyone has forgotten the preseason circus. Would have loved him full time in the forward line today.

Edited April 8, 2017 by demon9

[Return to Glory 7,779]

I'm not sure what role Viney played today PF, but I'd be giving him a straight out tagging role next week to get him into the contest. Right now, he's going where the ball ain't.

[DubDee 21,064]

Not sure two elephants can fit in the same room

[Return to Glory 7,779]

3 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Not sure two elephants can fit in the same room

I've never seen Brad and Chris Scott in the same room.

[poita 3,667]

Viney has been a massive disappointment this year for a bloke who should be coming into his peak as an AFL footballer. He certainly doesn't play as instinctively as he used to - instead of running around in circles and handpassing to nobody, he needs to go back to charging forward and kicking the ball as far as he can. I would love to see him line up on Lachie Neale next week and completely work him over for four quarters., rather than letting some Freo hack follow him around.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Viney was better today.  No doubt he's taken a few weeks to get going, but he still had 25 touches and 8 tackles today.  Not exactly a bad day out.  It's easy to be harsh on his performances though as he's set the bar rather high.  He will continue to get better as the season goes on.

[leave it to deever 16,013]

Yep, all that noise abut watts coming back in poor shape ....apart from captain couragious (Jones not  Viney) he was the fittest on ground.

Elephant 3. Watts was always going to have to ruck despite Gawns injury which left weid (with 5 games) and smith (first gamer) up forward against a very strong defence , Geelong had Menzel and Hawkins (circa 300 games) who together booted 8 goals. Lucky Kent stepped up in his first game back. Spencer or Pedo should have been selected so Watts could replace Hogan as our main  full time forward. Weids isnt ready and while Im happy to give him game time, it was a bad call to carry 2  forwards today especially a first gamer.

Edited April 8, 2017 by leave it to deever

[Nasher 33,133]

Odd timing re: the Viney criticism - was heaps better today than the previous two weeks.  That miss though.

[picket fence 15,414]

12 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Viney was better today.  No doubt he's taken a few weeks to get going, but he still had 25 touches and 8 tackles today.  Not exactly a bad day out.  It's easy to be harsh on his performances though as he's set the bar rather high.  He will continue to get better as the season goes on.

He was totally inefective! Not a captain of the same class as Jones!

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Just now, picket fence said:

He was totally inefective! Not a captain of the same class as Jones!

No he wasn't.  And of course he isn't in the same class as Jones, he's only been captain for 3 matches.

Well done on starting a new thread when this could have just been part of the post match discussion.  I'm glad you still think your opinions are more important than others.

[beelzebub 22,269]

13 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Odd timing re: the Viney criticism - was heaps better today than the previous two weeks.  That miss though.

Was AVERAGE

[Nasher 33,133]

Just now, beelzebub said:

Was AVERAGE

Better than being below average, I suppose.

[bjDee 1,247]

Weid was so absent in the first half that I had to check the on line game commentary to see if he had been withdrawn or injured.

Unfortunately a game to forget for him when we were so short of forwards - exacerbated by the loss of Watts to help fill the unfillable Gawn gap. 

[beelzebub 22,269]

What a curious observation.

Viney has come up short big Time as a captain. 

Thats no knock on him. Given task way before time. 

I like Jack who doesn't ?

Watts was a Demon true

I like Jack who doesn't ?

So much dribble keyboarded

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Not sure why Viney is being criticised when there's a bloke named Tyson who this week may as well not have played.

Last week people got sucked in to his possession count but this week against quality opposition he was just irrelevant.

Viney was simply out-played and positioned by two bonafide stars of the game. 

Both definitely need to lift though. I still wouldn't be playing Tyson right now if I was coach. Makes us slower and just doesn't have enough polish to add to what is an already predictable, one-paced group of mids.

Edited April 8, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[picket fence 15,414]

Rule 1 Why pick dual captains?? The premise and reasoning poor!

Dual captains?? Different mindsets, different methods, diferent modes of communication. 

If you want dysfunctional leadership in workplaces , just go dual CEO or Co Managers, Or Co Principals or Co Captains! The theory is flawed!

Jones, for a lot of reasons should have been sole Captain. Viney Not up to it at this stage!

Didn't like the decision then, Like it less now! Goodwin's 1st Mistake!

Edited April 8, 2017 by picket fence

[Wiseblood 24,636]

[beelzebub 22,269]

Steve

Jack is a Captain... Failing. 

Is playing sub Jack

Not hard to figure why

 This isn't a castigation of him,.wrong timing.

Dom just not firing.

This a black and white observation.

[Little Goffy 12,727]

There is a happier elephant in the room...

We have the longest injury/suspension list in the AFL including multiple best 22/best dozen players, several of our players from both established (Vince, Tyson) and new (Hannan, Weideman) had absolute stinkers, we had a freak show lack of accuracy on goal while our opponents were putting on the opposite freak event in their favour, we lost our most important structural player in the second quarter, and we still nearly snatched the win against a clearly finals-bound team. If either one of Selwood or Dangerfield had had a slow day, we'd be giddy with happiness right now.

We had a cr4p day but there was no reason to think we are a cr4p team.

So, my elephant in the room - The Melbourne Demons are no longer irrelevant. It takes a bad day for us to lose.

[Little Goffy 12,727]

Oh, also, the other elephant in the room is overuse! Overuse of what?!! Of exclamation points! And short declarative sentences! Which makes everything seem confrontational! Everything! Big Ted and Mr Squiggle are from different shows! Everyone who was there knows that!

[picket fence 15,414]

53 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Oh, also, the other elephant in the room is overuse! Overuse of what?!! Of exclamation points! And short declarative sentences! Which makes everything seem confrontational! Everything! Big Ted and Mr Squiggle are from different shows! Everyone who was there knows that!

Yeah, me too Goffy, but limited Key technique over the years self taught one finger pick and poke plus laziness to correct! Well... it is what it is!

Edited April 8, 2017 by picket fence

[Dante 2,562]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Not sure why Viney is being criticised when there's a bloke named Tyson who this week may as well not have played.

Last week people got sucked in to his possession count but this week against quality opposition he was just irrelevant.

Viney was simply out-played and positioned by two bonafide stars of the game. 

Both definitely need to lift though. I still wouldn't be playing Tyson right now if I was coach. Makes us slower and just doesn't have enough polish to add to what is an already predictable, one-paced group of mids.

So, currently, who would you replace Tyson with?

[WERRIDEE 5,238]

Has anyone mentioned Kent's goal kicking, it never seems to improve every 5 shots from him I'm expecting 1 goal 4 or 2 goals 3. We can't afford to have a forward who wastes as many shots as he does. The sooner Frost replaces Oscar the better I've lost faith in him.