The Petracca v McCartin debate reprised

[Nasher 33,607]

12 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

The Barry Prendergast 'warning' comes to mind - never recruit on the basis of how you imagine a player might be if they change in the ways you hope they will.

I thought for a minute you were quoting Prendergast.  I was wondering what alternate reality I woke up in.

[Satyriconhome 10,339]

1 hour ago, Wells 11 said:

A question about Petracca.

 

Super talented yes and I def look forward to his progress. He was described at the time of being drafted as being something like a  Dusty or a Wines. I cant quite see the explosive pace in him of Dusty or the mongrel of Wines. Remember BOTH of those players were making marks in their first season. I think trac is coming on nicely without taking anything by storm ( practice match v the blues excluded) Before I start bragging re not choosing Mc Cartin I want to see him really bust a few games open this year. I also think we lucked out ( or in) with this one...just want to really see the proof. 

So comparing Dusty 155 games and Wines 80+ games with Trac 18 games and a serious injury which cost him a year out of the game

Can remember some bog ordinary games from both Martin and Wines

Petracca is being asked to play a role each week and he is getting better at it each week

[Wells 11 5,264]

Just now, Satyriconhome said:

So comparing Dusty 155 games and Wines 80+ games with Trac 18 games and a serious injury which cost him a year out of the game

Can remember some bog ordinary games from both Martin and Wines

Petracca is being asked to play a role each week and he is getting better at it each week

Was trying to compare them to their first years Saty. Both were match winners on occaisons before they became who they are now. Granted its tricky with Trac missing a year. Dont get me wrong Im a trac fan...I just remember waiting around for Morton, Cook, Gysberts, Trengove ( heartbreaking)  etc to be "stars" so Im sceptical now when we're claiming one. I just want to see him really express what it looks like he has to express a few times before I get too excited or smug re Mc Cartin. 

[Ted Lasso 18,770]

5 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Was trying to compare them to their first years Saty. Both were match winners on occaisons before they became who they are now. Granted its tricky with Trac missing a year. Dont get me wrong Im a trac fan...I just remember waiting around for Morton, Cook, Gysberts, Trengove ( heartbreaking)  etc to be "stars" so Im sceptical now when we're claiming one. I just want to see him really express what it looks like he has to express a few times before I get too excited or smug re Mc Cartin. 

Don't worry, saty is just so keen to defend players that he often misses what a poster is really saying, to your point I think yes track is good enough to be a match winner right now! I think his performance in JLT2 showed that 

[Wells 11 5,264]

9 minutes ago, Abe said:

Don't worry, saty is just so keen to defend players that he often misses what a poster is really saying, to your point I think yes track is good enough to be a match winner right now! I think his performance in JLT2 showed that 

Hope you're right Abe. If he is, we could be really be something special as a team. 

[The Sailing Demon 379]

We won by a country mile on that draft.
The problem with KPF's is that we don't play a game where there's a stay at home full forward. There is no point recruiting a Tony Lockett because the game has no need for one anymore.
Your KPF's need to follow the Buddy Franklin footprint and be an elite runner and be able to push up the ground for 4 quarters, Paddy isn't nearly fit enough.
I see him and I see an overweight kid who isn't even big enough to muscle too many off the ball.
We are in an age where the whole team kicks goals, 18 man defences have no need for a bloke who can't run out a game.

Weideman will surpass him within a year, it will be good, he is lean, tall, safe hands and will look like Josh Kennedy by the end of his career (Maybe not his beard)
Sorry Fatty Paddy, your 1 job is to be an elite athlete and in an era where its expected that you hit at least 12 on a beep test your skin folds show your lack of discipline and professionalism you need to succeed in 2017.

[demoniac 1,295]

It would have been a hard decision for the Sainters. Can see the logic in going for McCartin given how hard it is to recruit key forwards. Physically his transformation to an AFL physique is still a work in progress. Against the Eagles his footy talent was pretty obvious. It is the physical transformation required that is his issue. He does have to manage his diabetes but there are enough examples of elite athletes who have done that and performed to a high level. If he can build his physique and endurance he will be quality player.

[Gator 17,224]

Petracca is yet to have a break out game, but you just feel it's around the corner.

[Engorged Onion 10,120]

45 minutes ago, The Sailing Demon said:

We won by a country mile on that draft.
The problem with KPF's is that we don't play a game where there's a stay at home full forward. There is no point recruiting a Tony Lockett because the game has no need for one anymore.
Your KPF's need to follow the Buddy Franklin footprint and be an elite runner and be able to push up the ground for 4 quarters, Paddy isn't nearly fit enough.
I see him and I see an overweight kid who isn't even big enough to muscle too many off the ball.
We are in an age where the whole team kicks goals, 18 man defences have no need for a bloke who can't run out a game.

Weideman will surpass him within a year, it will be good, he is lean, tall, safe hands and will look like Josh Kennedy by the end of his career (Maybe not his beard)
Sorry Fatty Paddy, your 1 job is to be an elite athlete and in an era where its expected that you hit at least 12 on a beep test your skin folds show your lack of discipline and professionalism you need to succeed in 2017.

Dude's diabetic mate, sometimes its genetics not ethic.

[CityDee 738]

i reckon Mccartin missed because of his diabetes last week  hamstring awareness pffft . Maybe feeling 90% so played in the reserves . If Im right becomes part of the equation as he may not play as much as trac over his career looks like they wont play him unless feeling 100% so its no excuse when playing. 

[The Sailing Demon 379]

Further proves the point that he shouldn't have been selected at number 1 by the saints.

 

[Moonshadow 17,471]

3 minutes ago, CityDee said:

i reckon Mccartin missed because of his diabetes last week  hamstring awareness pffft . Maybe feeling 90% so played in the reserves . If Im right becomes part of the equation as he may not play as much as trac over his career looks like they wont play him unless feeling 100% so its no excuse when playing. 

And if you are wrong Dr CItyDee?

[markc 975]

3 hours ago, btdemon said:

people are forgetting Darcy Moore and Nakia Cockatoo. In the same draft as Petracca, Wright and McCartin. Both of these guys could be stars IMO

 

umm can I ask who is Nakia Cockatoo , as I have never heard of him ? 

 

[Axis of Bob 11,158]

Many people are talking about McCartin like he's a bad player. He is not. McCartin is an excellent contested mark and tracking pretty well for a young key forward. He's tracking a lot better than Josh Kennedy was at this point, who is probably the type of player that McCartin is most similar to.

Just because we have a great talent like Petracca, doesn't mean that you need to rubbish McCartin to justify it to yourself. We are not the basket case we were. Petracca being good doesn't automatically mean the alternative is bad.

[CityDee 738]

10 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

And if you are wrong Dr CItyDee?

Cant find any logic in the hamstring awareness thing and did hear Richardson say it was a power issue in Reference  to the hammy but he was seemed to be under the pump and giving a little away . 

If a bloke from india can fumble his way through surgery here with false credentials for 11 years im as good a chance as any . 

[Deestroy All 14,262]

2 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Many people are talking about McCartin like he's a bad player. He is not. McCartin is an excellent contested mark and tracking pretty well for a young key forward. He's tracking a lot better than Josh Kennedy was at this point, who is probably the type of player that McCartin is most similar to.

Just because we have a great talent like Petracca, doesn't mean that you need to rubbish McCartin to justify it to yourself. We are not the basket case we were. Petracca being good doesn't automatically mean the alternative is bad.

The topic requires us to look at McCartin's faults to decide whether or not you think St Kilda made the right decision. 

If he didn't have fairly obvious weaknesses then it wouldn't even be a debate. 

[Akum 2,660]

23 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Many people are talking about McCartin like he's a bad player. He is not. McCartin is an excellent contested mark and tracking pretty well for a young key forward. He's tracking a lot better than Josh Kennedy was at this point, who is probably the type of player that McCartin is most similar to.

...

Clearly needs to learn how to get away with a blatant push in the back to be as "good" as Kennedy.

[Satyriconhome 10,339]

5 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

Hope you're right Abe. If he is, we could be really be something special as a team. 

I am not defending, just think people tend to look at players such as Martin and Wines now and think they are always like that, Wines was ordinary last year and Martin has only shown himself in the last 2 years

[Engorged Onion 10,120]

I wonder about Petracca's capacity for consistency. Can do the sublime, really sketchy in front of goal, and goes missing...wanting peoples thoughts on this, is there any other player you'd liken him to that he could become..

[What 18,810]

1 minute ago, Danelska said:

I wonder about Petracca's capacity for consistency. Can do the sublime, really sketchy in front of goal, and goes missing...wanting peoples thoughts on this, is there any other player you'd liken him to that he could become..

 

He has played just 20 games.    He will be a superstar.

[Little Richard 6,213]

4 minutes ago, Danelska said:

I wonder about Petracca's capacity for consistency. Can do the sublime, really sketchy in front of goal, and goes missing...wanting peoples thoughts on this, is there any other player you'd liken him to that he could become..

Consistency will come with experience and maturity. He's going to be a phenomenal player, there's no doubt about it.

We have a wealth of players around that 20 game mark who are performing far better than expected at this stage of their careers, and Petracca is one of them.

[pineapple dee 2,892]

On 02/04/2017 at 9:59 AM, Biffen said:

Petraaca could be the second greatest player of Italian heritage ever.

1.RDB

2.Petracca

3 .Jezza 

4.Silvagni.

Silvio Foschini....... Mario Bortolotto.........?????????

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,748]

3 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

Silvio Foschini....... Mario Bortolotto.........?????????

The Bont

[pineapple dee 2,892]

Just now, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

The Bont

and Montagna for that matter. Another product of that font of Italian stars , Marcellin, which also produced Marco Bresciano and Franco Di Pavacqua.

[Little Richard 6,213]

6 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

and Montagna for that matter. Another product of that font of Italian stars , Marcellin, which also produced Marco Bresciano and Franco Di Pavacqua.

And Alphonse Gangitano.