Poor Nicky Dal.  They should erect a statue of him outside Arden Street.

  On 11/09/2016 at 11:38, Wiseblood said:

Poor Nicky Dal.  They should erect a statue of him outside Arden Street.

Or maybe a water fountain.

  On 11/09/2016 at 11:38, Wiseblood said:

Poor Nicky Dal.  They should erect a statue of him outside Arden Street.

Where would it get the best exposure? 

  On 11/09/2016 at 11:47, Moonshadow said:

Where would it get the best exposure? 

Under a magnifying glass.

  On 11/09/2016 at 01:08, Redleg said:

It could actually have another effect, suggesting to our second level mids, that we have no faith in them.

Guys like ANB, JKH and Ben K should be told they need to step up and we will play them. Guys like Hunt, Salem, Kent, Billy and VDB should be given some time in the middle to try them out.

It is harder to do if you bring in a NDS for one year.

On the other hand, key forwards would love to see a NDS heading for them, with the ball in hand.

That's why communication is vital and was clearly one of Roos' strengths. You make sure the second tier mids understand why these guys are coming in to compete for their spot. It's an experience thing and it's something they simply can't compete with.

  On 11/09/2016 at 04:28, Satyriconhome said:

Ok I will be the devils advocate, we get Dal Santo and we want him to play a year, using the vernacular used on here, whose spot does he take

Midfield 3 or them were in top five of B&F, Oliver, Petracca, Trengove, BenKen, Bugg, Kent, Harmes, ANB

Half back, Salem, Hibberd, Melksham, Hunt, Wagner, Lumumba, Vince, Jones

I can't see a place for him

 

I'd have him ahead of Bugg, Trengove, Kennedy, ANB and probably Harmes to be honest. He can hit a target. Bugg, Harmes and even Kennedy aren't great in this area. For list balance sake, I'm sure we'll be able to find a place for him.

  On 11/09/2016 at 11:38, Wiseblood said:

Poor Nicky Dal.  They should erect a statue of him outside Arden Street.

He's an upright citizen who will point us in the right direction 

I just worry that his shinboner spirit is too small, and if we played him in defense he's be giving away a few inches

AF, Harmes doesn't deserve to carry Dal Santo's bags. 

  On 11/09/2016 at 06:38, stevethemanjordan said:

Mate, if Hitler put on the MFC jumper you'd support him.

"Spoke to Adolf, he told me the shoulder is feeling good, can fully extend his arm at 45 degrees now, he wasn't happy about Austria losing to Poland in the Euros, i told him its only another four years until the next one, i don't think he appreciated my joke, Adolf doesn't laugh much"

Do you blokes have all those flaccid old puns on autofill or do you actually put some effort into the recycling campaign each time someone's willy gets a mention?

  On 11/09/2016 at 22:06, Dr John Dee said:

Do you blokes have all those flaccid old puns on autofill or do you actually put some effort into the recycling campaign each time someone's willy gets a mention?

What? does Dal Santo live in Williamstown, never recruit anybody from across the bay

 

  On 11/09/2016 at 20:28, P-man said:

"Spoke to Adolf, he told me the shoulder is feeling good, can fully extend his arm at 45 degrees now, he wasn't happy about Austria losing to Poland in the Euros, i told him its only another four years until the next one, i don't think he appreciated my joke, Adolf doesn't laugh much"

Think you are confusing your Hitlers, Eddie is the one with the maniacal laugh

  On 11/09/2016 at 12:23, A F said:

That's why communication is vital and was clearly one of Roos' strengths. You make sure the second tier mids understand why these guys are coming in to compete for their spot. It's an experience thing and it's something they simply can't compete with.

I'd have him ahead of Bugg, Trengove, Kennedy, ANB and probably Harmes to be honest. He can hit a target. Bugg, Harmes and even Kennedy aren't great in this area. For list balance sake, I'm sure we'll be able to find a place for him.

Think he will end up at the Pies, but whatever, eight pages, will back him in if he lands with us

  On 11/09/2016 at 19:07, goodwindees said:

AF, Harmes doesn't deserve to carry Dal Santo's bags. 

Comparing a guy with 322 games against one who has played 27?

Dick jokes aside for a minute,  Dal Santo is on the slide and is declining. If we need experience why don't we look for a trade for a 27/28yo leader and find a piece we can get to assist for another 3 seasons? 

One season isn't worth it.

  On 11/09/2016 at 22:25, Satyriconhome said:

Comparing a guy with 322 games against one who has played 27?

There is no comparison. You've just stated the facts of the matter... when Harmes has had a similar career, then you could logically defend him.

  On 11/09/2016 at 22:29, Django said:

There is no comparison. You've just stated the facts of the matter... when Harmes has had a similar career, then you could logically defend him.

He was comparing, well actually denigrating, we all know Harmes is not Dal Santo at this stage, but who knows what he may develop into..................I'm with this guy

  On 11/09/2016 at 22:27, Adzman said:

Dick jokes aside for a minute,  Dal Santo is on the slide and is declining. If we need experience why don't we look for a trade for a 27/28yo leader and find a piece we can get to assist for another 3 seasons? 

One season isn't worth it.

 

  On 11/09/2016 at 22:27, Adzman said:

Dick jokes aside for a minute,  Dal Santo is on the slide and is declining. If we need experience why don't we look for a trade for a 27/28yo leader and find a piece we can get to assist for another 3 seasons? 

One season isn't worth it.

 

This is what I was suggesting in my earlier posts but was pretty quickly shot down. Apparently, there's an inherent belief that if a player is over 30, they automatically add leadership values to a side. 

I definitely agree that in our position, a player around that age mark would be far more beneficial. In saying that, I think across the board, the AFL landscape is bereft of available players who fit this category in the coming trade season. Unless, one were to look at an established player in the state leagues, but we've been down that path before and all know how that turned out. 

James Magner, take a stand! 

 

  On 11/09/2016 at 22:27, Adzman said:

Dick jokes aside for a minute,  Dal Santo is on the slide and is declining. If we need experience why don't we look for a trade for a 27/28yo leader and find a piece we can get to assist for another 3 seasons? 

One season isn't worth it.

The problem is that leaders in the late 20s bracket don't just fall in to your lap for a pittance.  We will need to give up something decent to bring a player like that in to the club - Hartlett is one example.  He has had an average two years but is a vice captain and has clear leadership qualities - the problem is that Port will want, at a minimum, a late first round pick for him.  We simply don't have that sort of currency, which is why we are discussing these older types as filling a few gaps as our kids grow into their roles.

  On 11/09/2016 at 23:28, Wiseblood said:

The problem is that leaders in the late 20s bracket don't just fall in to your lap for a pittance.  We will need to give up something decent to bring a player like that in to the club - Hartlett is one example.  He has had an average two years but is a vice captain and has clear leadership qualities - the problem is that Port will want, at a minimum, a late first round pick for him.  We simply don't have that sort of currency, which is why we are discussing these older types as filling a few gaps as our kids grow into their roles.

That's the issue though, if we get Dal Santo for a year, he could put a kid back a year by occupying his spot, or if the kid overtakes him then Sal Santo ends up like Dawes, leadership sitting at Casey

I think people forget how consistent and durable this bloke has been for the last 15 years.  I watched him closely on Saturday - he's lost a yard, and we do need leg speed but he's still brilliant at finding the footy and generally makes the right decisions.  The only older players that we have that are guaranteed a game at the moment are Vince and Jones - and we need some strong, experienced players.  The reason that the Saints are a step ahead of us is because their older players (Riewoldt, Fisher, Dempster, Montagna, Armitage, Steven) are much better players than our experienced core.  I think Dal has another two years in him and I think he's worth having to help drive us forward.  He's rarely injured and is consistent.  Scott Thompson on the other hand is just about shot...been a great player but I've noticed this year that his impact on games is minimal.  

  On 12/09/2016 at 00:13, Satyriconhome said:

That's the issue though, if we get Dal Santo for a year, he could put a kid back a year by occupying his spot, or if the kid overtakes him then Sal Santo ends up like Dawes, leadership sitting at Casey

If either happens then it's not really a big problem.  If a kid were to overtake him then that's terrific, but they can also be learning the trade at Casey with Dal providing good leadership.  Can't hurt for a year.

  On 12/09/2016 at 00:13, Satyriconhome said:

That's the issue though, if we get Dal Santo for a year, he could put a kid back a year by occupying his spot, or if the kid overtakes him then Sal Santo ends up like Dawes, leadership sitting at Casey

You could say the same thing about retaining M.Jones. At least Dal Santo still has an impact at AFL level. And if all our kids can perform consistently at AFL level to overtake Dal Santo, we'll be pushing for a top 4 spot. We should be past the stage of gifting kids games if they don't perform week in week out.

  On 06/09/2016 at 21:37, Maldonboy38 said:

I am not sure if we need to import a mature player on a one year deal at this point in our develooment. Getting Daniel Cross was a work of genius. His work ethic and dependability have instilled a lot of good qualities in our younger players. Surely though, these qualities are strong enough in our leadership group now that a 1 year contract for Del Santo isn't a matter of urgency. 

Given that, he is a beautiful kick, reads the play early (that is why it looks like he is an outside player) and has excellent leadership qualities. Maybe it is the assistant coaching angle that Goodwin sees as necessary.

Must agree that Crossy was a great move, and boy did he give his all. Nick Dal would be a great asset if he stays fit and his heart is still in it, and I would much rather him to Boomer. Although no question Boomer is a champ with plenty still to give, honestly I always found him to be a bit of a ball hog, thoughts???

Great discussion, but we don't seem to be a candidate, according to the newsboys.