FAREWELL JACK GRIMES

[The Chazz 4,077]

3 minutes ago, Choke said:

Deserves to get to 100 and be chaired off imho.

Surely we can find a spot for 2 games.

You're right WYL, this isn't charity organisation. It's a football club, and football clubs have a lot of emotion in them.

Please tell me you're taking the pizz?

[The Chazz 4,077]

16 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

I have never said that and JG can't be blamed for previous ineptitude.

While not trying to pump up my own tyres, I did play footy at a reasonably high level.  We had a bloke at our club who found it very difficult to crack a senior game.  He was a very consistent reserve grade player and was universally loved and respected around the club.  Back in the days when you had 19th and 20th men sitting on the bench, the coach saw fit to pick him in the 1st 18 in a game where we were playing the top side.  In the previous 4 games, that side had won by an aggregate of 350 points.  The boys were rapt that our team mate was elevated for his first senior game of the year.  We knocked off the top side that week.

At least half of our team had only known the bloke I speak of for 2 years tops; many knew him for less time.  But everyone at the club knew what he stood for and that he was part of the heart and soul of the club.  Again, some things in footy clubs transcend the game itself at times - not always, but at times.

How did our blokes go when we played Hawthorn in Trengove's first game back?

If there was ever a game that you get up for because of an inclusion, it was that one.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Just now, billy2803 said:

How did our blokes go when we played Hawthorn in Trengove's first game back?

If there was ever a game that you get up for because of an inclusion, it was that one.

Pretty well I thought actually.

[The Chazz 4,077]

2 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Pretty well I thought actually.

My point is that if there was ever a game that would see the "fairytale win", it would've been Trengove's return.  By implying that Grimes' 100th could be of similar motivation for the team to lift is clutching at straws at best.

[demon-4-life 467]

Reality bus for me tells me his papers have been stamped.

Optimist in me would love if Roos had worked his magic and really made him earn a recall and has fixed some huge deficiencies in his game.  He then comes back into the 22 post bye plays blinder after blinder and cements his spot in best 22.  Gets a new 2 year contract on less money and becomes a champion of the club.  

One can dream right?

Edited June 30, 2016 by demon-4-life
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[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

3 minutes ago, billy2803 said:

My point is that if there was ever a game that would see the "fairytale win", it would've been Trengove's return.  By implying that Grimes' 100th could be of similar motivation for the team to lift is clutching at straws at best.

Once again, as so often happens on here, a poster provides an opinion with a rider attached and a respondent takes that opinion as an absolute position.  It is not an individual win that is necessarily going to be a benefit, but how such an act galvanises a footy club, for the long term, which is important.

[Sir Why You Little 34,941]

35 minutes ago, Redleg said:

That is just plain wrong.

Why?

[nrc73 77]

46 minutes ago, Redleg said:

That is just plain wrong.

This is a forum, not FB where you just thumbs up/down.

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

50 minutes ago, ProDee said:

If there isn't a spate of injuries and Grimes doesn't make it to 100 games we'll know that the club has taken the attitude of some on this thread.

If he does make it to 100 without a spate of injuries we'll know that the club values Grimes' contribution and the fabric of rewarding relationships, because if he hasn't been chosen by now there's no real reason to pick him.  He's been as good or better than Newton, Neal-Bullen or Michie (playing back, but so could Grimes), who have been given games without getting the nod himself.

It will be interesting to see how the club rolls...

Totally agree.  If he doesn't get 100 games I'll lose some respect for the Club as it will show they, like some here, don't value people.

A club can't survive and thrive if it doesn't. Those using the argument that "it's a business" clearly haven't run or understand business.

[Sir Why You Little 34,941]

58 minutes ago, Bossdog said:

So....You're at it again SWYL.......Schwab was also responsible for the Gulf War 9/11 and the terrorist bombing in Turkey.

It's been 4 years since he had any involvment with the club.....LET IT GO.     You may as well blame Dr Don Duffy for sacking Norm

Head in the sand Boss?

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

20 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Why?

If you've read even a quarter of this thread and you're still asking that question you'll never understand.

[Sir Why You Little 34,941]

Just now, Vogon Poetry said:

If you've read even a quarter of this thread and you're still asking that question you'll never understand.

He is lucky to have 98 games

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

51 minutes ago, billy2803 said:

Please tell me you're taking the pizz?

Not at all.

Captained our club through some dark years and gave his all. Deserves some acknowledgement.

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

He is lucky to have 98 games

I'll back his 98 games against your 26,826 posts even using you're judgement of his ability.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

1 minute ago, Choke said:

Not at all.

Captained our club through some dark years and gave his all. Deserves some acknowledgement.

Agreed.  As for dark years, at times they were pitch black.

[Sir Why You Little 34,941]

2 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

I'll back his 98 games against your 26,826 posts even using you're judgement of his ability.

And that is your right to do so...

i found his 98 games to be fairly average, particularly after he changed numbers. 

[The Chazz 4,077]

7 minutes ago, Choke said:

Not at all.

Captained our club through some dark years and gave his all. Deserves some acknowledgement.

Did we chair Trengove off after the Hawthorn game?  A much more significant milestone from a bloke that was also captain through those dark years.

I would actually be embarrassed if Grimes got chaired off.  It would also be a sign that some areas of the club still haven't moved on from those times.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

2 minutes ago, billy2803 said:

Did we chair Trengove off after the Hawthorn game?  A much more significant milestone from a bloke that was also captain through those dark years.

I would actually be embarrassed if Grimes got chaired off.  It would also be a sign that some areas of the club still haven't moved on from those times.

I doubt he would be chaired off - although I wouldn't mind if he was- but while you may be embarrassed if it did happen, I think many would be rapt.

[Jaded No More 59,151]

I can't understand how anyone can be against giving Grimes 2 more games.

What, will it stop our very realistic tilt at a premiership this year? Will it take precious games away from kids who just need 2 more games to become elite players? 

Our playing group is made up of humans, and even if not every player on the list is best friends with Grimes, they must all be acutely aware that they too might find themselves in his position one day. The way we deal with this situation will show our young playing list that we are a club that either cares and looks after its players, or a club that treats its players like property. It might be the difference between a player wanting to stay at the club or go elsewhere.

A few weeks ago Jack Watts spoke about how important it was for his career to have a coach like Roos who understands that players are human. We completely underestimate how important it is for these guys to feel like they are in a supportive environment that values them. 

Just like every one of us wants to work somewhere that we hope will do the right thing by us, so do footballers.

I hope we give Grimes 2 more games, and I believe we will.

[The Chazz 4,077]

Just now, iv'a worn smith said:

I doubt he would be chaired off - although I wouldn't mind if he was- but while you may be embarrassed if it did happen, I think many would be rapt.

You chair blokes off for 200+ game milestones.  On the odd occasion, you might chair someone off for the 100 game milestone, but only if they have come back from adversity.  Trengove, Menzel, Morabito, these types of situations, not an average player that can't cement his spot in the side.

 

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Just now, billy2803 said:

You chair blokes off for 200+ game milestones.  On the odd occasion, you might chair someone off for the 100 game milestone, but only if they have come back from adversity.  Trengove, Menzel, Morabito, these types of situations, not an average player that can't cement his spot in the side.

 

Whatever!!!!

[daisycutter 28,691]

29 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

And that is your right to do so...

i found his 98 games to be fairly average, particularly after he changed numbers. 

would you be happy then if he changed his number for his next 2 (deserved) games then?

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

would you be happy then if he changed his number for his next 2 (deserved) games then?

DC, you should know form is all about the numbers.  Hang on and I'll get my tarot cards out and I'll then get back to you with what will happen with Jack next. 

Edited June 30, 2016 by iv'a worn smith

[Sir Why You Little 34,941]

23 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

would you be happy then if he changed his number for his next 2 (deserved) games then?

Nah. Horses bolted Daisy...

[DV8 2,271]

2 hours ago, billy2803 said:

You chair blokes off for 200+ game milestones.  On the odd occasion, you might chair someone off for the 100 game milestone, but only if they have come back from adversity.  Trengove, Menzel, Morabito, these types of situations, not an average player that can't cement his spot in the side.

 

You've totally lost it  b2803.

It has nothing to do with numbers & games.  None.

It is all about the players love & respect, for the one they are honoring. this is all it is. a show of pride in the person thay are hoisting up on their shoulders. 

A public showing of their respect for their comrade.  Pride.