NATIONAL DRAFT PICKS 3 & 7

[KingDingAling 3,752]

You're surprised about Stringer? Nice side-step.

How about Toumpas?

That's impressive.

Yeah I was surprised I mentioned him in the same breath as the other 2.

I will try and make it a bit more clear cut this year.

[Deeoldfart 8,005]

Anyone see a bit of Stephen Tingay in that Parish video?

Definitely, even down to his flaxen locks. If we do draft him, and he turns out to be another 'stinger', all of us here (including the perennial 'Demonland doubters') will be over the moon!

[KingDingAling 3,752]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-28/27-days-to-the-draft-meet-one-of-the-best-mids-in-the-draft-darcy-parish

Darcy Parish's Draft Trumps video is out this morning.

He was pretty quick to say a 'vintage' Daisy Thomas.

Would be a worry if he compared himself to the current version of Dale Thomas.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Parish plays and looks like Dale Thomas.

[rpfc 28,220]

Yet you had Toumpas ahead of Wines just prior to the draft

In fact, you had Toumpas as a standout of that draft and you wanted the club to draft him ... you had him in front of Stringer as well.

Post #69 of this thread

Brutal timing for KDAL of that thread bump from ProDee...

[KingDingAling 3,752]

Brutal timing for KDAL of that thread bump from ProDee...

Not really, I said earlier that not having Toumpas in my top 20 was an exaggeration, and that I would've had him in my top 5 - that bump just shows that.

[rpfc 28,220]

Not really, I said earlier that not having Toumpas in my top 20 was an exaggeration, and that I would've had him in my top 5 - that bump just shows that.

Are you now exaggerating the non-brutality of that bump?

We just don't know anymore...

[KingDingAling 3,752]

Are you now exaggerating the non-brutality of that bump?

We just don't know anymore...

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/30753-toumpas-v-stringer-v-wines/

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[rpfc 28,220]

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/30753-toumpas-v-stringer-v-wines/

#13

Yes, I am just playing around.

But your original point is that there were some who didn't want Toumpas but even you had him in that conversation.

I remember being emotionally invested in a kid called Ollie who was best mates with Jack, but it didn't happen - the Captains of Hindsight tell me it didn't have to be this way if only the grown ups were in charge but really, this Teenage Lottery Draft of the AFL makes a child of the most notable expert.

Toumpas was a terrible draft decision but we didn't reach and make a mistake - we made the 'safe' decision on a talent that isn't suited to footy in 2015 that all the 'experts' thought would be better than what he has shown.

[KingDingAling 3,752]

Yes, I am just playing around.

But your original point is that there were some who didn't want Toumpas but even you had him in that conversation.

I remember being emotionally invested in a kid called Ollie who was best mates with Jack, but it didn't happen - the Captains of Hindsight tell me it didn't have to be this way if only the grown ups were in charge but really, this Teenage Lottery Draft of the AFL makes a child of the most notable expert.

Toumpas was a terrible draft decision but we didn't reach and make a mistake - we made the 'safe' decision on a talent that isn't suited to footy in 2015 that all the 'experts' thought would be better than what he has shown.

Yep, fair call.

[ThreeOneSix 954]

Just watching the Country v Metro match, the thing to note with Parish, his 'point of difference' or whatever you want to call it, is that he makes good decisions incredibly quickly and he just doesn't fumble.

One of the reasons why Toumpas struggled is that he struggled to find space with the extra pace of AFL and got stuck with the footy. Parish, on the other hand, is just so quick with his decisions that he gets the ball and finds a great option before anyone has time to tackle him. It's an underrated skill, but is very important at AFL level, especially when he can also be very creative at that speed.

A bit like a rich man's AN-B.

Spatial awareness?

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

Those damn tests again.

I want footballers.

Tell me about Jack Watts' 20 metre sprint time again.

So long as you tell me about Trengove's 20m, he's a good footballer. I seem to remember recruiters saying it wouldn't be a problem for him.

The main point I'm making is that Parish's times don't equate to/ appear to be worthy of a pick 3, given that good footballers but poor athletes can be picked up late in the draft or rookied - Rockcliff comes to mind.

I'm saying that his times don't seem quite right to me. I came across the whole game footage of him in the AIS Academy V's Weribee and he looks a lot sharper than those times suggest.

Essendon have a track record of manipulating/ bribing kids to make sure they make it to them on draft day, if I had to point the finger somewhere - Heppell comes to mind.

The Bombers tanked hard all last year in order to get him. We traded even harder to get him and I think he is going to be a super player

Enough talking, check him out in this game. Does he look as slow as Trengove did as an 18 yr old? https://vimeo.com/125095504

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

^^^^^^^ By the way there's some good footage of Francis in this game also ^^^^^^^^^^^

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

So long as you tell me about Trengove's 20m, he's a good footballer. I seem to remember recruiters saying it wouldn't be a problem for him.

The main point I'm making is that Parish's times don't equate to/ appear to be worthy of a pick 3, given that good footballers but poor athletes can be picked up late in the draft or rookied - Rockcliff comes to mind.

I'm saying that his times don't seem quite right to me. I came across the whole game footage of him in the AIS Academy V's Weribee and he looks a lot sharper than those times suggest.

Essendon have a track record of manipulating/ bribing kids to make sure they make it to them on draft day, if I had to point the finger somewhere - Heppell comes to mind.

The Bombers tanked hard all last year in order to get him. We traded even harder to get him and I think he is going to be a super player

Enough talking, check him out in this game. Does he look as slow as Trengove did as an 18 yr old? https://vimeo.com/125095504

In the highlights on the AFL website of Parish he does do a Jack Watts tackle at 3:05 mark of the video. Where he tackles someone falls to the ground without taking the opposition player to the ground.

[olisik 4,060]

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/30753-toumpas-v-stringer-v-wines/

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Standard first sentence written in a thread these days

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

In the highlights on the AFL website of Parish he does do a Jack Watts tackle at 3:05 mark of the video. Where he tackles someone falls to the ground without taking the opposition player to the ground.

You obviously haven't watched this game then. He often reminded me of a Lion cub taking down a gazelle - Natural Instincts to kill

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,030]

Sorry if this has been raised before (it's a big thread to catch up on!), but should we set any store by the choice and ordering of players the club website has chosen in its 'countdown to the draft' articles?

1. Francis

2. Curnow

3. Ah Chee

4. Parish

[rjay 24,811]

So long as you tell me about Trengove's 20m, he's a good footballer. I seem to remember recruiters saying it wouldn't be a problem for him.

The main point I'm making is that Parish's times don't equate to/ appear to be worthy of a pick 3, given that good footballers but poor athletes can be picked up late in the draft or rookied - Rockcliff comes to mind.

I'm saying that his times don't seem quite right to me. I came across the whole game footage of him in the AIS Academy V's Weribee and he looks a lot sharper than those times suggest.

Essendon have a track record of manipulating/ bribing kids to make sure they make it to them on draft day, if I had to point the finger somewhere - Heppell comes to mind.

The Bombers tanked hard all last year in order to get him. We traded even harder to get him and I think he is going to be a super player

Enough talking, check him out in this game. Does he look as slow as Trengove did as an 18 yr old? https://vimeo.com/125095504

They forgot to turn the lights on...

[nutbean 8,838]

Yes, I am just playing around.

But your original point is that there were some who didn't want Toumpas but even you had him in that conversation.

I remember being emotionally invested in a kid called Ollie who was best mates with Jack, but it didn't happen - the Captains of Hindsight tell me it didn't have to be this way if only the grown ups were in charge but really, this Teenage Lottery Draft of the AFL makes a child of the most notable expert.

Toumpas was a terrible draft decision but we didn't reach and make a mistake - we made the 'safe' decision on a talent that isn't suited to footy in 2015 that all the 'experts' thought would be better than what he has shown.

absolutely spot on...,

anything is else pure revisionism....

[H_T 3,043]

Essendon have a track record of manipulating/ bribing kids to make sure they make it to them on draft day, if I had to point the finger somewhere - Heppell comes to mind.

The Bombers tanked hard all last year in order to get him.

[KingDingAling 3,752]

^^^^^^^ By the way there's some good footage of Francis in this game also ^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, he reads the play so well. Has great awareness and timing - closes in on his opponents with momentum. I agree with you regards to Parish re: beep test, 13.8 seems a bit low, he didn't look like a guy struggling for pace or endurance in that match.

[ben russell 764]

Sorry if this has been raised before (it's a big thread to catch up on!), but should we set any store by the choice and ordering of players the club website has chosen in its 'countdown to the draft' articles?

1. Francis

2. Curnow

3. Ah Chee

4. Parish

No. That's just the order they have appeared on the AFL website.

[Gator 17,261]

In all likelihood this thread will be "bumped" in 3 years, so I'd like this on record. Mathieson will be a gun. I keep reading that he can't kick, but to me this looks a ridiculous exaggeration. He's such a natural and tough footballer he'll be invaluable with his smart clearances around stoppages.

My preference is for a mid and forward/utility and you could do far worse than making certain of Curnow at 3 and Mathieson at 7.

I also want the finishing class Parish brings and recognise it's a need, but there are a few scenarios that will serve the club well.

[Mach5 4,767]

In all likelihood this thread will be "bumped" in 3 years, so I'd like this on record. Mathieson will be a gun. I keep reading that he can't kick, but to me this looks a ridiculous exaggeration. He's such a natural and tough footballer he'll be invaluable with his smart clearances around stoppages.

My preference is for a mid and forward/utility and you could do far worse than making certain of Curnow at 3 and Mathieson at 7.

I also want the finishing class Parish brings and recognise it's a need, but there are a few scenarios that will serve the club well.

I want it on record:

Reads the play well.

Very sloppy skills, scrappy player but will work his backside off.

Doesn't fit any "no DHs" policy.

[Young Blood 2,568]

So long as you tell me about Trengove's 20m, he's a good footballer. I seem to remember recruiters saying it wouldn't be a problem for him.

The main point I'm making is that Parish's times don't equate to/ appear to be worthy of a pick 3, given that good footballers but poor athletes can be picked up late in the draft or rookied - Rockcliff comes to mind.

I'm saying that his times don't seem quite right to me. I came across the whole game footage of him in the AIS Academy V's Weribee and he looks a lot sharper than those times suggest.

Essendon have a track record of manipulating/ bribing kids to make sure they make it to them on draft day, if I had to point the finger somewhere - Heppell comes to mind.

The Bombers tanked hard all last year in order to get him. We traded even harder to get him and I think he is going to be a super player

Enough talking, check him out in this game. Does he look as slow as Trengove did as an 18 yr old? https://vimeo.com/125095504

This is great. Thanks so much for uploading this. You get a good look at Curnow, Tucker, Francis, Parish etc. In a full game. See how they position themselves and get an idea of them in and around the contest.

Would really love to see more footage of Curnow in the midfield. He looks terrific running into space with those long arms and marking ability. Nice finisher and user of the ball. But would just like to see more of his contested ball work in the middle of the ground. He pretty much plays one on one in most of the footage I've seen.

Still preferring Curnow. I just think he has the most potential out of he and Parish. Parish could become a Sloane type player at best. But when you compare him to our previous years midfield drafted players he just doesn't use his body well and is not as good defensively. Of course he can work on those things. But I just think Curnow is a natural smarter footballer and would love to see him playing for Melbourne.